Best Full Back Ever

[Procrastinator35]

Not even close.
Langford was one of the best of his generation but he constantly had bags kicked on him.
It was a rarity to see Silvagni have 7, 8, 9 goals booted against him. Same can be said of Scarlett which is why people often bring up the David Hale (Kangaroos) game.

Right....You mean like the 9 that Peter Knights kicked on him, by marking all over him, in the most complete aerial domination of a lesson you ever will see.

Perhaps a clue to why he then perfected the 'scragging, holding onto & arm-chopping' ploy/tactics, as a means to stopping superior opposition, that the umpires continued to turn a blind eye towards.

 

[Thrawn]

Goes without saying really….If not for the name & the fact he played for Carlton, he'd of been umpired out of the game & rightly so.

His mauling tactics are right up there alongside of Selwoods' ducking, as complete blights on our game.....And the umpires bear a fair amount of the blame & responsibility for both.

Oh please. You're just upset that he constantly got the better of Dunstall.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Oh please. You're just upset that he constantly got the better of Dunstall.

Just like Langford did against Kernahan, you mean?

 

[Thrawn]

Just like Langford did against Kernahan, you mean?

Only difference is that I don't have a beef with Langford and don't put his achievements down every time the topic comes up.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Only difference is that I don't have a beef with Langford and don't put his achievements down every time the topic comes up.

I don't have a beef with Souvlaki either....Only the selectors for making a folly of the team of the Century full-back position.

 

[Thrawn]

I don't have a beef with Souvlaki either....Only the selectors for making a folly of the team of the Century full-back position.

Yet you continually put him down every time, like clockwork. "He's a scragger", you say. "A blight", you say. You have some kind of vendetta with him, because every defender scragged back then yet you single him out. Forwards also scragged defenders. It's like people who come up with this nonsense haven't watched a single game of footy in the 80s and 90s. I also keep on hearing people with no clue saying "SOS would get smashed if he played in the 00s". I refer you to Max Hudgeton's game vs Franklin in 2008 in the PF, that was very SOS-like - a great display of 1 on 1 and how you beat a monster forward. And SOS was a much better FB and all-round footballer than him.

And if Regan, Dench, Southby, etc had been selected instead, we would have the same arguments. "Player X didn't deserve it, Player Y was a better FB". Considering SOS' record against some of the best forwards the game has ever seen, his individual accolades and his dominance at FB... his case is as good as any of those other names (just remember that even in Carlton's ToS, it was SOS, not Southby, who had the FB position).

Every time someone brings up the scragging thing, it's either that they clearly haven't watched much football during his heyday, are bitter because he crushed their star forward, or are just doing it out of spite because they either dislike the club or the man (or both).

I mean, let's look at your points:

I saw an old man in Peter Knights kick 9 on Souvlaki out at Princes Park one day.
Lockett tore Silvagni a new one on a number of occasions.
Dench was a better running & attacking defender.
Silvagni's tactics were illegal & he got away with murder from the umps.
Peter Knights was also multipoisitional & also kicked over 200 goals.

Over-rated chopping, holding, scragging, mauling hack.

- That's all you have to hang your hat on? Scarlett got thrashed when he started out, doesn't hurt their legacy. I don't think there's any FB who haven't had bags kicked against them when they were green. Even Regan got bags kicked against him multiple times.
- And Silvagni tore him a new one on a number of occasions. It works both ways. When asked who was their toughest opponent, Lockett said Silvagni and for good reason.
- So? FBs should be rated first by how many goals they can stop by preventing their opponent from marking or getting into good positions, they're primarily defenders. And he wasn't a better attacking defender, SOS would regularly go up forward and kick bags. How more attacking do you wanna get?
- Illegal yet apparently everyone else was doing the same thing. Go see how many times Martyn would wrestle with his opponent, or Lockett overpowering a defender physically, etc. You're just exaggerating.
- What the fug does Peter Knights have to do with anything here?

 

[Thrawn]

#OnlySOSscrags

 

[Procrastinator35]

#OnlySOSscrags

If your point by these pictures, is that Scarlett is an over-rated flog too....Then you'll get no arguments from me.

 

[The King!]

I went for the full back with a brownlow and now i feel like a souvlaki after this thread


Scarlett or Silvangi are the two best ive seen, id take scarlett just

 

[the nail]

isnt it funny,how sos was the only who scragged the forwards...frawley,scarlett,langford,etc .never did.


sos,played on the best forwards,and beat them,majority of time

and kicked the lazy 220 odd goals

what a overated player he must of been

 

[My Tilly]

isnt it funny,how sos was the only who scragged the forwards...frawley,scarlett,langford,etc .never did.


sos,played on the best forwards,and beat them,majority of time

and kicked the lazy 220 odd goals

what a overated player he must of been

Scarlett certainly didn't do it as often as the others you have mentioned as he began his career in the 00's when the rule changes were being implemented a lot more consistently. More umpires watching what was happening behind the play.

 

[ijaxcat]

Only Cats fans are going to vote for Scarlett on account of his utter flog-dom, as a human being.

He hated Hawthorn, so he must be a good bloke.

 

[HairyO]

Welcome to 2019? Not exactly a new thing. SOS was an attacking defender who could push or swing forward back in the 80's. Dustin Fletcher zoning, intercepting and rebounding before Rance finished high school.

Chris Mew did it even earlier. First picked every week and just brilliant at intercept marks and clearing the ball out of defence.

Id put him equal with Langford.

Lake and Gibbo for more recent times.

 

[Benny78]

Can I change my Chris Langford vote to Scarlo?

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Glassy has been one of the best Fullbacks of the 21st century IMO

 

[Thrawn]

Glassy has been one of the best Fullbacks of the 21st century IMO

Fev loved playing against him.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Chris Mew did it even earlier. First picked every week and just brilliant at intercept marks and clearing the ball out of defence.

Id put him equal with Langford.
Lake and Gibbo for more recent times.

Lake was the best key defender at reading the flight of the ball in the air I've ever seen....And would back himself to beat his opponent on pure ability alone, just like one Peter Knights before him...He's got both the scraggers in Scarlett & Silvagni covered on pure talent & ability there..

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Fev loved playing against him.

That's an interesting fact I'm going to have to remember if ever I'm on Jeopardy

 

[HairyO]

Lake was the best key defender at reading the flight of the ball in the air I've ever seen....And would back himself to beat his opponent on pure ability alone, just like one Peter Knights before him...He's got both the scraggers in Scarlett & Silvagni covered on pure talent & ability there..

Yep. You have to admire the defenders who are fearless at going for the mark instead of the spoil.

And when it comes to spoils, Gibbo was phenomenal.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Scarlett, Rance and Lake because they mark the ball.

lol at Hawk supporters and Langford. Lake shits all over Langford.

 

[Thrawn]

Why is Fred Goldsmith in this poll?

 

[Thrawn]

Lake is as good as anyone in that poll list

As good as Scarlett, SOS, Southby?

Please.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

As good as Scarlett, SOS, Southby?

Please.

Yep, peak Lake is as good as SOS and Scarlett. I know you're a Carlton supporter but why would you include Southby in that company? That's just embarrassing.

 

[Thrawn]

I know you're a Carlton supporter but why would you include Southby in that company? That's just embarrassing.

Elaborate on that.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Elaborate on that.

You're actually serious? Southby, Moore and Dench were the big 3 of the 70s with Dench being the best of them, imo, and he's the closest of that 3 to SOS, Scarlett and Lake.

Lake's only issue for mine was the generally brief period of his peak but when he was in that peak he's as good as any of the fullbacks that I've seen.

Southby a clear, clear rung or two below.