Best group of young players in the AFL

Who has the best top end talent in players under 24 years of age?

  • GWS

    Votes: 135 42.1%

  • Gold Coast

    Votes: 12 3.7%

  • Western Bulldogs

    Votes: 74 23.1%

  • Sydney

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Saints

    Votes: 30 9.3%

  • Freo

    Votes: 10 3.1%

  • Melbourne

    Votes: 22 6.9%

  • Carlton

    Votes: 24 7.5%

  • WCE

    Votes: 7 2.2%

  • Brisbane

    Votes: 21 6.5%

  • Collingwood

    Votes: 9 2.8%

  • Essendon

    Votes: 19 5.9%
  • Total voters
    321

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coniglio_number1 said:
The concession difference between us and Gold Coast was essentially the mini draft.

The current net gains of the mini draft for us is a portion of Matt Kennedys draft points(pick 28 for sumner and plowman along with Phillips and lamb), a portion of the trade cost for Tim Taranto(we also lost many more first round players acquiring the trade picks used to score freos pick 3 along with geelongs pick 16 to get pick 2) Matt De Boer(o'rourke was traded for pick 19 which was traded with jaksch and Whiley for pick 7{ahern}, ahern was traded to north for pick 69 which dropped to pick 58 after academy bids), a 2017 second rounder(Hoskin-Elliott) and Aiden corr.
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Basically yes, however there were some extra concessions in terms of list size and salary cap (although I believe recent AFL changes have menat the salary cap concessions are now even).



The post from FirstTimePlayer on the thread in my link above sums it up perfectly, too large to quote.
 
coniglio_number1 said:
The concession difference between us and Gold Coast was essentially the mini draft.
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The concession difference between you and GC is certainly not commensurate with where you both wound up last year.

The far bigger difference is that your recruiting manager did a sterling job compared to GC's. A few draft selections were blown along the way, but you guys were reaching for player type, not best available, so that was bound to happen. What has resulted is depth across all positions, even though you've lost serious young talent in almost every area of the ground too. Best group of youngsters in the AFL today and you're still landing top juniors at the draft table.
 

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I don't even know where to start. I'm feeling a weird combination of anger and laughter, of contradiction and inconsistency, and an overwhelming sense of "this thread was started by a bulldogs supporter and he's really just hoping that people will vote for the Bulldogs to further pump up their tyres."

Anywho, point A. Your list is severely flawed. Luke Parker, Josh Bruce, Mav Weller, Brad Sheppard, Jack Darling, Michael Walters, Harley Bennell and Andrew Gaff, are all 24 or older, and they're just the ones I picked at first glance. Hell, Walters and Sheppard will be 26 by the time the 2017 season starts. Did you even think to research before constructing your lists? So is this an under 24 list or what?

Point B, you're absolutely clutching at straws putting Jack Frost and Alex Pearce in their teams respective lists, yet somehow failing to add any Collingwood option (not saying our crop trumps all, it obviously doesn't), and acknowledging Darcy Moore along side Taylor Adams, James Aish, Adam Treloar, Brodie Grundy, Matt Scharenberg, and if you decide we're counting 24 year olds, 24 and 4 month old Jamie Elliott.

Point C, again, clutching at straws. If you honestly needed to put in draftees that are yet to debut and justify it with "well it's about the potential that player has", then how good really is that teams crop? Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jarrod Berry, Harry McKay, Ben Ainsworth, whilst all being promising young talents are no more special than any of the other 100 or so guys to get drafted based on their own potential. From a Collingwood perspective, Brown and Daicos ooze potential given the careers their fathers carved for themselves.

Please continue to post at a rate of one per month, thanks.

Rant over.
 
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Great8 said:
Gee I think we are a little stiff not to be on that list.
I haven't been so excited about the Bomber kids for a long time.
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Yes I also feel vaguely aggrieved that Carlton's potato farm made the squad ahead of our exciting group of future superstars who we will love the way they go about it.
 
jjsmitty8 said:
I don't even know where to start. I'm feeling a weird combination of anger and laughter, of contradiction and inconsistency, and an overwhelming sense of "this thread was started by a bulldogs supporter and he's really just hoping that people will vote for the Bulldogs to further pump up their tyres."

Anywho, point A. Your list is severely flawed. Luke Parker, Josh Bruce, Mav Weller, Brad Sheppard, Jack Darling, Michael Walters, Harley Bennell and Andrew Gaff, are all 24 or older, and they're just the ones I picked at first glance. Hell, Walters and Sheppard will be 26 by the time the 2017 season starts. Did you even think to research before constructing your lists? So is this an under 24 list or what?

Point B, you're absolutely clutching at straws putting Jack Frost and Alex Pearce in their teams respective lists, yet somehow failing to add any Collingwood option (not saying our crop trumps all, it obviously doesn't), and acknowledging Darcy Moore along side Taylor Adams, James Aish, Adam Treloar, Brodie Grundy, Matt Scharenberg, and if you decide we're counting 24 year olds, 24 and 4 month old Jamie Elliott.

Point C, again, clutching at straws. If you honestly needed to put in draftees that are yet to debut and justify it with "well it's about the potential that player has", then how good really is that teams crop? Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jarrod Berry, Harry McKay, Ben Ainsworth, whilst all being promising young talents are no more special than any of the other 100 or so guys to get drafted based on their own potential. From a Collingwood perspective, Brown and Daicos ooze potential given the careers their fathers carved for themselves.

Please continue to post at a rate of one per month, thanks.

Rant over.
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However you are wrong Brad Sheppard is born on the 23/5/1991 so he's currently 25 pretty sure the 2017 season starts before may, so he won't be 26 by the time the season starts. I do accept he doesn't fit the age profile I listed.



Jobe Watson said:
Essendon: Heppell, Z.Merrett, Daniher, Parish, Fantasia, Laverde and Langford (Francis, McDonald-Tipungwuti, Hartley, McGrath as the extras).

GWS though. Easily. Everyone on their list in the original post look like potential AA players in the future (and 2 of them already have been).
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samass03 said:
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However you are wrong Brad Sheppard is born on the 23/5/1991 so he's currently 25 pretty sure the 2017 season starts before may, so he won't be 26 by the time the season starts. I do accept he doesn't fit the age profile I listed.





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I would remove Frost from the Lions group as I don't think he has a large scope for improvement and he will be 25 in Feb. I'd add Andrews and Cutler who are arguably our most promising youngsters on our list and also Sam Mayes who is very talented. I'd remove Taylor who doesn't have as high a ceiling as Andrews, Cutler and Mayes and Berry as he is yet to play a game and would need to show a fair bit to be rated above the aforementioned guys when it comes to future potential.

So to keep the list at 7 names it would be Schache, Andrews, Hipwood, McStay, Cutler, Mayes, McCluggage.

I'd even have guys like Mathieson and Gardiner in there over Frost, Taylor and Berry.
 
Please change thread title to:
'Teams I think have the best players under 24 when the players don't have to be under 24, I don't provide any criteria with quantitative or qualitative transparency, and provide an arbitrary cut off about which teams qualify'
I believe this more accurately depicts the thread to avoid any confusion.
Also - no Jake Watts option.
/thread
 

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Spiritof82 said:
But the AFL will find a way to top up their love child, can't keep get negative returns on the significant investment they have poured into them.
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See Brisbane. GWS can win 3 in a row but the people of Sydney wont care. They will never make money. And if GWS is too successful it trashes the brand across the entire country.

At best they will be gifted 1 flag. No chance any more than that would be allowed.
 
nanganator said:
Care to entertain me/elaborate on why you think this?
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Take it you don't rate our kids?
I'd have us top 5 with the Giants, Dogs, Saints and Dees ahead of us.
4 genuine quality players in Daniher, Zerrett, Heppell and Parish. Throw in guys like Fantasia, Francis, Laverde, Langford, Gleeson, Tippa and Hartley who all were impressive last year. Hopefully James Stewart can give us something and there are a couple of other kids from the 2015 draft that made their debut like Redman and Long that should be better for the experience. This years draft picks are a unknown but I'd be pretty confident McGrath can have an immediate impact and Begley, Clarke, Ridley, Mutch etc should all hopefully be aiming to play this year. Realistically I think 10-14 of our players in round 1 will be in the 24 and under bracket
 

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