Analysis Beveridge - where to from here?

[ScragCity]

I really hope Sam Power can fix this list. The fact that we only have one or maybe two (Naughton and Cordy) competent talls on our entire list is just inexcusable.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

I really hope Sam Power can fix this list. The fact that we only have one or maybe two (Naughton and Cordy) competent talls on our entire list is just inexcusable.

the thing that was annyoing looking back. our rebuilding period 2011-14 we failed to build a spine. even under bevo the spine has been chop and change every week. we arnt going to be improving much without having a stable spine imo.

as many posted before, bevo doesnt have much trust in talls

 

[Munnez]

There are some significant holes that require plugging KPD , Small forward and genuine pace in the middle. Looking like we will have some good picks to achieve some of it at this point in time

 

[Master Coach]

I really hope Sam Power can fix this list. The fact that we only have one or maybe two (Naughton and Cordy) competent talls on our entire list is just inexcusable.

Bevo has never particularly got on well with tall timber... He doesn't seem to be able to connect with them as he can with the small brigade. The evidence is the poor development and relations with our past tall stock..

 

[ScragCity]

Bevo has never particularly got on well with tall timber... He doesn't seem to be able to connect with them as he can with the small brigade. The evidence is the poor development and relations with our past tall stock..

Do you think it might be because he has some bitterness/resentment towards taller blokes? I've heard that can be a thing with short men. Makes them feel inadequate. I really hope it wasnt bullying from Bevo that lead to mental health issues for Boyd and Schache.

 

[footyfan000001]

Do you think it might be because he has some bitterness/resentment towards taller blokes? I've heard that can be a thing with short men. Makes them feel inadequate. I really hope it wasnt bullying from Bevo that lead to mental health issues for Boyd and Schache.

This is probably the worst post I’ve read lol.

 

[cecil]

Do you think it might be because he has some bitterness/resentment towards taller blokes? I've heard that can be a thing with short men. Makes them feel inadequate. I really hope it wasnt bullying from Bevo that lead to mental health issues for Boyd and Schache.

You really talk some shit.

 

[RudyBlue]

I would give the boot to Bont but only if we can get a top 10 draft pick for him. Dodoro may not give it up/

Wouldn't want a another player tbh, a Cripps, Kelly, Heeney wouldn't cut it and would be a downgrade.

Just thought I'd drop in and say this is the dumbest thing I've ever read on BF

 

[House_of_Dahl]

A top 10 pick lol

 

[100action]

Just thought I'd drop in and say this is the dumbest thing I've ever read on BF

I would also like to drop in and say you are probably the dumbest human being on the planet to believe the post.

Second part of the post is true though, a hack kick like Cripps would be better off staying at rapetank and wouldn't be a worthwhile replacement.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

I would also like to drop in and say you are probably the dumbest human being on the planet to believe the post.

You've just admitted your post was nothing more than a troll.

Mods, do your job. Enjoy your ban.

 

[Anja_Nees]

I've been a fan of Beveridge and normally I'd agree with you but truth is he's had four years to turn the list over, not 2 - 3 years. And each year since 2016 we seem to have gotten worse... 2017 we miss finals. 2018 was a shocker save for the last four games. This year we beat a very ordinary Sydney, an injured hawthorn, and lose to the suns and the blues. So far it looks like the saints, Freo, suns and blues have all gone past us.

I wouldn't be getting rid of Beveridge any time soon. But I hope Grant and co are asking questions like...

What advantage are we getting out of not playing a second ruck?
Why hasn't our goal kicking improved in three years?
Why debut two players in an already young team when we could do with a win and others are in better form?
Why is Dunkley playing forward when he was in career best form at end of last season playing midfield AND the team was winning?
Why did we pick up Duryea when we already have experience in defence and its resulted in squeezing Richards / Williams out of their best positions?
Why is Wallis playing midfield where his poor kicking is exposed and he also was arguably in career best form playing forward last year?

I'm happy for experimentation against the top sides in a development year. But development also needs wins and the coaches should be making sure the young list, members and the club in general banks wins against teams like Carlton. Not scerwing around with no ruck or tall options and debuting two vfl quality players. And before anyone says Hayes had a good debut, he cost us two goals in the first quarter alone from direct turnovers.

All fair questions.

Suspect Bevo has been heavily backed in internally and he’s thinking a year or two down the track. Clearly wants our recent premium picks (English, Richards, Naughton and Smith) getting to 40 games ASAP. Even Schache is an emergency again now too.

I think the hope is that when Bont, Macrae, Boyd, Hunter, McLean, Cordy etc are 25-26, there’ll be an army of experienced quality 22-24 year olds to support them.

We should really have 3+ wins and we’ve blown two gettable games so far and he deserves scrutiny, but if there’s a plan internally (here’s hoping) I can deal with it as long as it starts paying dividends soonish.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Do you think it might be because he has some bitterness/resentment towards taller blokes? I've heard that can be a thing with short men. Makes them feel inadequate. I really hope it wasnt bullying from Bevo that lead to mental health issues for Boyd and Schache.

Your continual piss take of all the nuffy BF dogs fans on here is almost the only thing currently worth coming on here to read.
Keep up the good work Scrag

 

[footscray1973]

Love the team selection this week.

Audio will emerge next week from the coach’s box of Beveridge paying out on Trengove... while Bont sits aimlessly at FF and Hayes, Wallis and Gowers are the starting mids every quarter. There’s either something fishy going on, or the coach has lost the plot...

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Can someone please remind me why we got rid of Stringer...
I’m just having trouble remembering after watching him tear up the Pies and dominate for the past couple of weeks...? You know... what he used to do for us...

 

[footyfan000001]

Can someone please remind me why we got rid of Stringer...
I’m just having trouble remembering after watching him tear up the Pies and dominate for the past couple of weeks...? You know... what he used to do for us...

Off field issues mate. Was toxic at the time.

 

[100action]

You've just admitted your post was nothing more than a troll.

Mods, do your job. Enjoy your ban.

bahaha, my post was a response to a troll post suggesting he should be on the chopping block.

Don't stay up all night in anticipation of a ban though you sad little man. This is also not forgetting all the countless troll posts from you on Matty Boyd's kicking efficiency in autopsy threads.

 

[AJARWA]

All fair questions.

Suspect Bevo has been heavily backed in internally and he’s thinking a year or two down the track. Clearly wants our recent premium picks (English, Richards, Naughton and Smith) getting to 40 games ASAP. Even Schache is an emergency again now too.

I think the hope is that when Bont, Macrae, Boyd, Hunter, McLean, Cordy etc are 25-26, there’ll be an army of experienced quality 22-24 year olds to support them.

We should really have 3+ wins and we’ve blown two gettable games so far and he deserves scrutiny, but if there’s a plan internally (here’s hoping) I can deal with it as long as it starts paying dividends soonish.

Yep, no doubt he's trying to get games into the young guys. And I don't mind playing the young guns like Smith and English. But we didn't need to debut Hayes and Young last week. They're hardly up and coming guns nor were breaking the door down for a game. That to me is arrogant team selection, reeks of a coach drinking his own bathwater, when we needed a forward who can kick straight and Lipinski is in good form, and we needed a kpd and Lew Young was available and played well v Hawks.

Last year we managed to win three of the last four with a very young team. So far this year we've lost to the bottom two teams. Whatever bevo's plan is, we simply shouldn't be losing games to the suns and blues. If that's the outcome of whatever plan he has, then he needs a new one.

 

[the conch]

Ahh, the old dumb "it must be the assistants!" rubbish. Never mind that none of you actually know what the assistants are doing behind the scenes, never mind the fact that they're often credited with the extraordinary player improvement in 2015 (Bont specifically highlighted Corey as a huge influence on his development), it must be those dirty old assistants! It's even funnier when people say we should be chasing the apparent "gun" assistants like Caracella, like they'll leave their assistant post to come and be an assistant at the Dogs. A lot of these guys were around during the McCartney days, Beveridge retained them, and the team still improved drastically. The influence of assistant coaches is exaggerated to the extreme.

If the team isn't playing well, the responsibility falls on the guy at the top, that's that. Beveridge did an amazing job when he arrived, but the team just looks tired now, similar to how they looked tired in 2014 after 3 years of McCartney, or 2011 under Eade. Honestly, looking at our current list, I don't see us turning our fortunes around easily; our forward line is by far the worst in the competition, and there's no upside: guys like Schache and Boyd have been around for a while now, and they've never shown consistency at AFL level. Naughton is the only potential shining light, but I still think he'll play defence long term, or at least I hope so.

I think we're possibly due for a change. Not necessarily a complete overhaul like some people are crying for, but maybe a new coach who's got different ideas, but at the same time understands the club and what worked for us in 2015-2016. I don't think Beveridge leaves until the end of 2020, but when that time comes, I think Monty's the man.

Welcome back Leon Cameron, 2020

 

[Doggies_13]

All fair questions.

Suspect Bevo has been heavily backed in internally and he’s thinking a year or two down the track. Clearly wants our recent premium picks (English, Richards, Naughton and Smith) getting to 40 games ASAP. Even Schache is an emergency again now too.

I think the hope is that when Bont, Macrae, Boyd, Hunter, McLean, Cordy etc are 25-26, there’ll be an army of experienced quality 22-24 year olds to support them.

We should really have 3+ wins and we’ve blown two gettable games so far and he deserves scrutiny, but if there’s a plan internally (here’s hoping) I can deal with it as long as it starts paying dividends soonish.

Sorry but if your looking 1-2 years into the future your playing Lewis young, Schache etc putting games into your spine to see if they are good enough and giving them a chance to develop. No point having all your smalls in their prime and no tall players or 18 year olds who need time.
Talls mature and reach their prime later than smalls it’s more important to get games into them than into smalls and atm he is only putting games into Naughton and English.
I get the hate for Schache and the laziness he shows at times with his lack of energy but would love to know how his game v Poe’s was any worse than Naughtons v the blues. Naughton had 5 touches 1 tackle and 11 pressure acts against the blues. Schache had 4 touches 0 tackles and 9 pressure acts against the Pies they also only had 1 one percenter each.

 

[Boyd oh Boyd]

Sorry but if your looking 1-2 years into the future your playing Lewis young, Schache etc putting games into your spine to see if they are good enough and giving them a chance to develop. No point having all your smalls in their prime and no tall players or 18 year olds who need time.
Talls mature and reach their prime later than smalls it’s more important to get games into them than into smalls and atm he is only putting games into Naughton and English.
I get the hate for Schache and the laziness he shows at times with his lack of energy but would love to know how his game v Poe’s was any worse than Naughtons v the blues. Naughton had 5 touches 1 tackle and 11 pressure acts against the blues. Schache had 4 touches 0 tackles and 9 pressure acts against the Pies they also only had 1 one percenter each.

I agree with most of your post, but huge difference between the pies and blues games. Roughead had 14 possessions (6 contested), 9 marks (2 contested), 9 one-percenters. Jones at 5 possessions (1 contested), 5 marks (1 contested), 2 one-percenters. To me that shows we tried to use Schache and Roughead stopped us, and Jones didn't have to beat his opponent because we barely tried to use Naughton as an option.

 

[Dogsman16]

Sorry but if your looking 1-2 years into the future your playing Lewis young, Schache etc putting games into your spine to see if they are good enough and giving them a chance to develop. No point having all your smalls in their prime and no tall players or 18 year olds who need time.
Talls mature and reach their prime later than smalls it’s more important to get games into them than into smalls and atm he is only putting games into Naughton and English.
I get the hate for Schache and the laziness he shows at times with his lack of energy but would love to know how his game v Poe’s was any worse than Naughtons v the blues. Naughton had 5 touches 1 tackle and 11 pressure acts against the blues. Schache had 4 touches 0 tackles and 9 pressure acts against the Pies they also only had 1 one percenter each.

The difference between Schache and Naughtons performance was that for the collingwood game we had the bulk of midfield dominance, in addition Schache had Naughton for tall forward support. I’d argue Naughton would attract the better defender between them.

Against Carlton Naughton wasn’t even kicked too that often. Carlton dominated the midfield basically all game and he didn’t have tall support.

Schache was also dreadful against Gold Coast and Naughton brought us back into the game against Collingwood. Naughton also took 5 contested marks against GC.

Very very different story.

 

[dogwatch]

Naughton wasn’t great against the Pies either. He had one fantastic quarter and was seldom sighted apart from that.

I still think he’s better in defence where he doesn’t rely on a winning midfield or elite delivery to impose himself on the game.

 

[Dazb86]

The press conference this week worries me. The rhetoric about playing guys forward and back. Not sure why he just doesn't pick the right ammount of talls. It's not as if Lewis Young was terrible in the ganes he played.

 

[Timewillcome]

Naughton had a very ordinary game against Carlton IMO because he was the only tall. At least Schache takes a tall defender. I look back in Liam Jones games for us when Hall was in the side, and when Hall retired. Chalk and cheese.

Good tall players draw defenders. All the more reason to get Boyd back in as soon as fit.

Dropping Schache was an over reaction considering we have nothing else and VFL was having a bye.