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junior1 said:
You could possibly win a div 3 flag with no paid players but you will promoted and then relegated the next year.
Your line of thinking is absolutely ridiculous. Players move from club to club for differing reasons. They might follow coaches or mates but more often or not they go somewhere where they can get there beer money from. The extra few dollars in the pocket is worth the clearance.
I am from Lyndale and we generally pay nobody, a select few may get something but it is nothing that breaks the budget. And this year we have lost Weeding and in the past we have lost others to clubs that can offer them some coin.
If you could hold onto them for nothing we would be a much better side with the likes on Ponter (KWR) at ff and Pimm (Scoresby) also in our forward line.
Oneglove I don't know what club you are from in div 3 but I do hope you win the flag just so you can learn this lesson.
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Where did Weeding go Junior? Was a handy player...
 
Canterbury don't pay anyone other than the coach, you need to recruit a coach who can bring players to the club IMO. Many of the good players in Div 3 are past their best and are playing with their mates or for the love of playing footy or the club. They are still very handy players and make great contributions to the team. Kempy is a quality player loads of experience and will do very well at Dandy.

Personally I didn't see many players last year you would fork out huge amounts for, you might pay their subs or something like that. I think any money offered would be better of as incentives for guys who perform.
 
junior1 said:
You could possibly win a div 3 flag with no paid players but you will promoted and then relegated the next year.
Your line of thinking is absolutely ridiculous. Players move from club to club for differing reasons. They might follow coaches or mates but more often or not they go somewhere where they can get there beer money from. The extra few dollars in the pocket is worth the clearance.
I am from Lyndale and we generally pay nobody, a select few may get something but it is nothing that breaks the budget. And this year we have lost Weeding and in the past we have lost others to clubs that can offer them some coin.
If you could hold onto them for nothing we would be a much better side with the likes on Ponter (KWR) at ff and Pimm (Scoresby) also in our forward line.
Oneglove I don't know what club you are from in div 3 but I do hope you win the flag just so you can learn this lesson.
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i dont understand how you can think my line of thought is ridiculous? All I believe is that you don't have to pay players. (I personally think that it creates divided clubs particulary at the level we're at) I know having gun paid players obviously helps, never disputed that. but its ridiculous to think you have to have them to win a flag or be comptetive in the next division. If a team were to win in divi 3 with no paid players, and move on to divi 2 without to many retirements then i don't see why they wouldn't be competetive. There's no way they would definately be relegated the next year just because they didn't buy players, thats just tripe.

paying players helps but is not a necessity like so many people on here believe.
 

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In Div 3 there is no need to pay players to win a premiership, however i agree that in higher divisions there is a greater need to pay players.

Having said that i don't believe in only paying a few players. They say 'you're only as good as you worst player', so why do clubs think that the loyal player that has been playing at the club since juniors shouldn't be recieving some coin when someone else in the team is?
 
The Enemy Within said:
junior1 said:
I am from Lyndale and we generally pay nobody, a select few may get something but it is nothing that breaks the budget.


The top 3 sides of Div 3 2007 would of beaten Lyndales side of 2007 and according to previous forums none of those sides payed 1 player excluding playing coaches.That Is All.
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Well that might be your opinion, we might just have to wait and see if black rock can cut the mustard in div 2. Except for dingley, heatherton and maybe caulfield i don't think any of the other sides would be paying money to people other than coaches and week to week awards. And guess what, those three sides will fill the top 3 possies in div 2. Just goes to show that you DO need to spend some coin to recruit/keep players on your books to get success.
Clubs like hampton, lyndale, morrabbin rely on people that want to play for the club and with their mates. However they may not have success in the short term until they can raise some money to compete with the top 3. It does not just happen in div 2 SFL footy either. Have a look at the EPL in england. Why are there always the same clubs at the top of the ladder?? Because they have the most coin to spend on players!!! VERY SIMPLE!!!!!!!
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Weeding post knee reco will not be weeding pre- knee reco. He is massive and his mobility will not only be hurt by his knee ligament. Carrying 100 kegs will slow down anybody who is 5' 9". Particularly when the weight is exclusively on his guts and chin.
 
donkey kong 43 said:
The Enemy Within said:
Well that might be your opinion, we might just have to wait and see if black rock can cut the mustard in div 2. Except for dingley, heatherton and maybe caulfield i don't think any of the other sides would be paying money to people other than coaches and week to week awards. And guess what, those three sides will fill the top 3 possies in div 2. Just goes to show that you DO need to spend some coin to recruit/keep players on your books to get success.
Clubs like hampton, lyndale, morrabbin rely on people that want to play for the club and with their mates. However they may not have success in the short term until they can raise some money to compete with the top 3. It does not just happen in div 2 SFL footy either. Have a look at the EPL in england. Why are there always the same clubs at the top of the ladder?? Because they have the most coin to spend on players!!! VERY SIMPLE!!!!!!!
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Nice Try Donkey Kong, but I wouldn't put the likes of Hampton and Moorabbin in the mix as they are very much known for playing players in their glory days. They now have to rely on mates as they have run out of money :eek:
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donkey kong 43 said:
The Enemy Within said:
Well that might be your opinion, we might just have to wait and see if black rock can cut the mustard in div 2. Except for dingley, heatherton and maybe caulfield i don't think any of the other sides would be paying money to people other than coaches and week to week awards. And guess what, those three sides will fill the top 3 possies in div 2. Just goes to show that you DO need to spend some coin to recruit/keep players on your books to get success.
Clubs like hampton, lyndale, morrabbin rely on people that want to play for the club and with their mates. However they may not have success in the short term until they can raise some money to compete with the top 3. It does not just happen in div 2 SFL footy either. Have a look at the EPL in england. Why are there always the same clubs at the top of the ladder?? Because they have the most coin to spend on players!!! VERY SIMPLE!!!!!!!
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lets compare SFL divi 2/3 to the top 3 highest paying sport leagues in the world. LOL
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The Enemy Within said:
junior1 said:
I am from Lyndale and we generally pay nobody, a select few may get something but it is nothing that breaks the budget.


The top 3 sides of Div 3 2007 would of beaten Lyndales side of 2007 and according to previous forums none of those sides payed 1 player excluding playing coaches.That Is All.
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We actually knocked of Mount last year with 6 out. May be a practice match but if you do not think there is a gap between div 2 and 3 you are shortsighted. I will give you that Lyndales performance over the last 3 years has been sub par but what of the div 3 premiers that have come up?
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Hitch hikers said:
Weeding post knee reco will not be weeding pre- knee reco. He is massive and his mobility will not only be hurt by his knee ligament. Carrying 100 kegs will slow down anybody who is 5' 9". Particularly when the weight is exclusively on his guts and chin.
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Couldn't agree with you more and I actually spoke to him about playing this year at Lyndale and then moving on to another club to get his dough. Sad to see him go as he was BOG in the 2 games he played last year and was giving Dingley plenty before he went down.
 

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SpringyDees said:
Where did Weeding go Junior? Was a handy player...
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Followed Neil Collett down to Buln Buln. I think around 300 oer game for a guy on 1 leg. Buln Buln have also got another bloke from us who did not make a senior appearance for us last year for 150 per game. Good for Weeds but Collett will look stupid if he doesn't win games.
 
junior1 said:
Followed Neil Collett down to Buln Buln. I think around 300 oer game for a guy on 1 leg. Buln Buln have also got another bloke from us who did not make a senior appearance for us last year for 150 per game. Good for Weeds but Collett will look stupid if he doesn't win games.
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Collett doesn't have to look stupid as he is stupid.
 
junior1 said:
We actually knocked of Mount last year with 6 out. May be a practice match but if you do not think there is a gap between div 2 and 3 you are shortsighted. I will give you that Lyndales performance over the last 3 years has been sub par but what of the div 3 premiers that have come up?
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If you think that a full strength premiership side from Div 3 couldn't match it with a lower half Div 2 side then i think your the one that is short sighted. The problem Div 3 teams have is that most of the teams are ageing and when they win a premiership alot of players retire or move on leaving the club with a lesser side than they had when the won the premiership the year before.
It will be interesting to see how a side like Mt Waverley would go if we are lucky enough to be promoted to Div 2 considering we are a very young side and would keep the majority of our list.
 
Quote: [Nice Try Donkey Kong, but I wouldn't put the likes of Hampton and Moorabbin in the mix as they are very much known for playing players in their glory days. They now have to rely on mates as they have run out of money :eek: ]

I believe it is time for people on this forum to stop making assumptions about the financial positions of other clubs in the Southern Football League. Maybe it would be in your best interest to ask someone involved at either club before making such ridiculous comments about the financial position of a club they you are clearly not involved in. The Moorabbin Kangaroos football club are trying to rebuild our list through sensible decision making, sensible financial decisions and long term planning and development (juniors).

Aaron Bailey
Senior Coach
Moorabbin Kangaroos
 
Bails2008 said:
Quote: [Nice Try Donkey Kong, but I wouldn't put the likes of Hampton and Moorabbin in the mix as they are very much known for playing players in their glory days. They now have to rely on mates as they have run out of money :eek: ]

I believe it is time for people on this forum to stop making assumptions about the financial positions of other clubs in the Southern Football League. Maybe it would be in your best interest to ask someone involved at either club before making such ridiculous comments about the financial position of a club they you are clearly not involved in. The Moorabbin Kangaroos football club are trying to rebuild our list through sensible decision making, sensible financial decisions and long term planning and development (juniors).

Aaron Bailey
Senior Coach
Moorabbin Kangaroos
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No assumptions here Coach was referring to previous years.

Congratulations however, on the rebuilding of your club.
 
Master of Cooks said:
If you think that a full strength premiership side from Div 3 couldn't match it with a lower half Div 2 side then i think your the one that is short sighted. The problem Div 3 teams have is that most of the teams are ageing and when they win a premiership alot of players retire or move on leaving the club with a lesser side than they had when the won the premiership the year before.
It will be interesting to see how a side like Mt Waverley would go if we are lucky enough to be promoted to Div 2 considering we are a very young side and would keep the majority of our list.
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hey Master of ****s, there is no way that even the best division 3 side would be competitive against one of the lower division 2 sides. You are a fair dinkum goose. Division 3 is one of the worst standards i have ever seen, and i watched the 2 best division 3 sides go at it. there is no good players running around in that division and that is why the standard is so terrible. get over it, and just enjoy playing in your fun little league.
 
WIPPET_ said:
hey Master of ****s, there is no way that even the best division 3 side would be competitive against one of the lower division 2 sides. You are a fair dinkum goose. Division 3 is one of the worst standards i have ever seen, and i watched the 2 best division 3 sides go at it. there is no good players running around in that division and that is why the standard is so terrible. get over it, and just enjoy playing in your fun little league.
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I would have thought that you would have been watching Dingley get towelled up that day?:rolleyes:
 
The best 2 clubs for Juniors (younger senior players) in div 3 are Mount and Doveton at present based on last years side's, Mount are probably better postioned to push into Div 2 with as Doveton development and number's are not quite there yet , Dandy, Blackrock, Canterbury all had older side's in 07 whilst Cobras and Sth Yarra had depth problems Cerbrus will always be there abouts but they will always find it hard to retain players and hence any premership would be short lived for them.To pay players in Div 3 is a must there just not enough both time and committment from players and generally the older one's as they have both family and work commitments.Paying player(s) brings both new player's into the club and lifts the standards of the Div but you must retain them also.The problem is far too many clubs dont know how to run off feild and raise the funds required or have a biss plan they can odopt to take them into a 2-5yr future due to committees are a 12 month thing.If Dandy have money to use this year good luck to them they have arranged there finance's but it needs to be there in the future the SFL cannot have another Parkmore senario or been seen to favouring them ( i'm not saying that they are).Anyone who believe's you can win a flag in Div3 without paying coin has there head in the sand !! I should also note that when the Kangarroo's won the flag they did not pay Fia ? my ass I know him well !!! and if they learnt from those efforts good luck.
 
AROUNDTHETRAPS said:
The best 2 clubs for Juniors (younger senior players) in div 3 are Mount and Doveton at present based on last years side's, Mount are probably better postioned to push into Div 2 with as Doveton development and number's are not quite there yet , Dandy, Blackrock, Canterbury all had older side's in 07 whilst Cobras and Sth Yarra had depth problems Cerbrus will always be there abouts but they will always find it hard to retain players and hence any premership would be short lived for them.To pay players in Div 3 is a must there just not enough both time and committment from players and generally the older one's as they have both family and work commitments.Paying player(s) brings both new player's into the club and lifts the standards of the Div but you must retain them also.The problem is far too many clubs dont know how to run off feild and raise the funds required or have a biss plan they can odopt to take them into a 2-5yr future due to committees are a 12 month thing.If Dandy have money to use this year good luck to them they have arranged there finance's but it needs to be there in the future the SFL cannot have another Parkmore senario or been seen to favouring them ( i'm not saying that they are).Anyone who believe's you can win a flag in Div3 without paying coin has there head in the sand !! I should also note that when the Kangarroo's won the flag they did not pay Fia ? my ass I know him well !!! and if they learnt from those efforts good luck.
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that statement is the biggest load of crap. You must pay players to win a divi 3 premiership? Mount was 2 points away from winning a divi 3 flag last year and they don't pay a single player. 3 of the 'better' teams in divi 3 this year don't pay players.(this is going on knowledge from off here and assuming those 3 teams keep similar lists). You mentioned Mount are probably best suited to going up but they don't pay players like you said 'must' happen, should we start paying some players and then maybe we'd be more of a chance?

Are you saying skye, cantebury and mount don't have a chance at winning the flag solely because they don't pay people? Have you ever thought that maybe there's a fair few people around who could be getting money but choose to play for the club? Just because in the past teams have won and paid players does not mean it will always happen you toilet.
 

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