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Topkent said:
This just isn't true. I've said someone's hypocritical, I haven't personally attacked people

I've also never said ange gets everything right. However the guys who wait for a defeat and then say he's about to be sacked deserve to be called out on it. It's not a one year project or 2 year project. Arsenal took longer than 2 years so did Liverpool. Utd has taken 10, chelsea near on 4 years now.
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This is the thing, Look at Arteta and his Arsenal build. Was lower mid table finishes then, BOOM. Now competing on all fronts.


Tottenham are so desperate for success they never let a natural course finish its journey. Ive always thought a coach should be given 5 years if he is building for success from below. If he is competing from the get go then 2 years. Ange seems to be a “build” coach, signings prove that.

If we sack Ange mid season then we / Levy / ENIC really are as dumb as dog balls. Constant change is never going to end well for anyone let alone the clubs stability.
 
Yoda_ said:
If we sack Ange mid season then we / Levy / ENIC really are as dumb as dog balls. Constant change is never going to end well for anyone let alone the clubs stability.
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Levy isn't an idiot. Sure he's made a couple of poor decisions - but that's business. That's football.

Although I always wonder "what if" we hadn't sacked Mourinho before the League Cup final.
 
Yoda_ said:
This is the thing, Look at Arteta and his Arsenal build. Was lower mid table finishes then, BOOM. Now competing on all fronts.


Tottenham are so desperate for success they never let a natural course finish its journey. Ive always thought a coach should be given 5 years if he is building for success from below. If he is competing from the get go then 2 years. Ange seems to be a “build” coach, signings prove that.

If we sack Ange mid season then we / Levy / ENIC really are as dumb as dog balls. Constant change is never going to end well for anyone let alone the clubs stability.
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Arteta at Arsenal

2019-20 8th, but an FA Cup victory
2020-21 8th, missed out on Europe by a point + GD to us, 61 points
2021-22 5th, Conte pipped them for 4th, 69 points
2022-23, 2nd, 84 points
2023-24, 2nd again, 89 points, can't remember what year we say they bottled the title

Can't exactly say he was lower mid table, he qualified for Europe every year aside from 2021 when he missed out by a point + GD for us
 

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go you pups said:
Arteta at Arsenal

2019-20 8th, but an FA Cup victory
2020-21 8th, missed out on Europe by a point + GD to us, 61 points
2021-22 5th, Conte pipped them for 4th, 69 points
2022-23, 2nd, 84 points
2023-24, 2nd again, 89 points, can't remember what year we say they bottled the title

Can't exactly say he was lower mid table, he qualified for Europe every year aside from 2021 when he missed out by a point + GD for us
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In complete fairness to Ange, he has qualified for Europe every year he's been with us.

Yes, things are looking shaky in that regard at the moment. Some of our performances/results have been unacceptable and I am worried by the lack of flexibility Ange has shown this season. But I do think we're on the right track and just need to give the season more time before making a definitive judgement.

The fact is that this thread would be a very different place if we scraped a win against Ipswich and got ourselves into third place. I know I would've been singing Ange's praises and shamelessly trolling all of my Arsenal mates. This league is all about fine margins and I believe in Ange's ability to change the culture at a team for the better. I've seen it too many times to stop believing now.
 
Tottenham had beaten Ipswich they would have been 3rd. They didn't. It was massively disappointing. However had they won they would be 3rd and people calling for Ange to be sacked wouldn't say a word.
Bouncing around that much with your opinion is silly.
The project is fine. It's not perfect far from it, it's developing.
 
go you pups said:
Arteta at Arsenal

2019-20 8th, but an FA Cup victory
2020-21 8th, missed out on Europe by a point + GD to us, 61 points
2021-22 5th, Conte pipped them for 4th, 69 points
2022-23, 2nd, 84 points
2023-24, 2nd again, 89 points, can't remember what year we say they bottled the title

Can't exactly say he was lower mid table, he qualified for Europe every year aside from 2021 when he missed out by a point + GD for us
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mid table, my apologies. Poor wording on my behalf.

Point remains though, he wasn't exactly competing in leagues. As much as I would be overjoyed by a Carabao Cup or FA cup, smaller clubs can go on runs and win them. Not as much any more but the big clubs, even when in disarray can go on runs. Man U currently own the FA Cup.

bradfisher14 said:
In complete fairness to Ange, he has qualified for Europe every year he's been with us.

Yes, things are looking shaky in that regard at the moment. Some of our performances/results have been unacceptable and I am worried by the lack of flexibility Ange has shown this season. But I do think we're on the right track and just need to give the season more time before making a definitive judgement.

The fact is that this thread would be a very different place if we scraped a win against Ipswich and got ourselves into third place. I know I would've been singing Ange's praises and shamelessly trolling all of my Arsenal mates. This league is all about fine margins and I believe in Ange's ability to change the culture at a team for the better. I've seen it too many times to stop believing now.
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The thing I love about Ange is, he isn't shooting from the hip. He is shooting for the stars. If we aim for champions and finish third that's a better result than aiming for 4th and finishing 6h. Isn't it?

Topkent said:
For the spurs fans here. Does Tottenham have a better squad than Brighton? I don't think it's that clear cut that Spurs do at all. Brightons might be better and it's definitely got more depth
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The squad is fine for a club competing for champions league football. I do wonder if we had a more natural manager would the results be better or worse. Cant complain about the full frontal attack Ange wants to play. His track record in other countries shows it works.

bradfisher14 said:
Brighton's is significantly better. Our squad gets overhyped because of the stature of the club.
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Our squad gets overhyped by the youth we have. Remember at the start of this season, we had many a story that was hyping us as the next big thing. Van De Van is 23, Porro around the same age. Kulusevski is only what, 24? Add in Udogie, Johnson etc. etc. etc. and it was all about natural growth and getting better.

Add onto that the generational talent that's been hyped (Mikey Moore, Bergval, Vuskovic, Gray) and its easy to see that Levy, ENIC even Ange himself think the squad may be good enough to compete for Europe whilst developing the depth from the natural growth from within.We are already seeing it in small parts with Gary and Moore given minutes in the league, Bergval must be close to having more (longer, sustained) chances too. Add Vuskovic and the Korean kid is joining us in January and that is half a first XI in kids under 21 we are trying to build around.
 
Topkent said:
Tottenham had beaten Ipswich they would have been 3rd. They didn't. It was massively disappointing. However had they won they would be 3rd and people calling for Ange to be sacked wouldn't say a word.
Bouncing around that much with your opinion is silly.
The project is fine. It's not perfect far from it, it's developing.
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Wanted to keep this seperate.


As a Tottenham, and lesser extent Ange fan. We cant complain about a loss like this to Ipswich and then lament the win we've had with late winners.

Simply take the good with the bad and move on. Yes, of course it sucks we aren't where I would like us to be but Ange is shifting the mindset of the club. Most can agree that he is searching for results and answers and not just survival.

May not have the end product but shifting the mindset of a club accepting they are stuck in mediocrity is one of the hardest things to do in sport it would seem. Just ask Brad Scott
 

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Re Ange's time in the job it will come down to the players buy in as it usually does.

I think there was unilateral buy in when Ange first started.

That has wavered over time for players like Maddison and Bissouma.

It would be interesting to know what a player like Romero thinks of Ange. If he starts angling for a move and it is blocked, that will make things difficult for Ange.
 
Brighton has better depth and a more even squad than ours

But Mitoma and Estupinan aside I don't think any of their XI gets into our starting side.

Problem is Dragusin wouldn't get in their 2nd XI. Davies wouldn't either.

Porro and Udogie have been overused (shock horror) and are now massively out of form.

Gray is probably better at a club like Brighton where he is closer to their #6 in quality than he is to Bissouma and Bentancur where he is a fair way off.

I much prefer their squad setup of a more even group of 20 that a manager can trust and rotate well. We always have the same problem. A nailed on best 14. And the rest aren't trusted and only thrown in when needed. Good sides don't have their starting XI so easily identifiable like we do with

Vic
Porro Romero VDV Udogie
Kulu Bentancur Sarr/Maddison
Johnson Solanke Son

Only other player treated like those 12 would be Biss in for Bentancur.

The rest are second class citizens, rightly or wrongly in the managers eyes. And only given starts out of necessity rather than trust
 
jd2010 said:
But Mitoma and Estupinan aside I don't think any of their XI gets into our starting side.
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That's wild.

Verbruggen is arguably the best young keeper in world football and easily starts ahead of Vicario.
Porro over Veltman at RB, but I think that's a closer debate than many would think given Pedro's defensive frailties.
I would prefer Dunk over Romero because he plays with genuine commitment. Micky obviously takes the other spot.
Agree with Estupinan > Udogie. Kadioglu is clear of Destiny as well atm.
Baleba gets into the midfield three alongside Bentancur and Kulu.
Minteh/Adingra > Brennan at RW.
Mitoma > Son at LW.
Solanke > Welbeck at ST.

Thanks 6 of 11 for Brighton IMO.
 
bradfisher14 said:
That's wild.

Verbruggen is arguably the best young keeper in world football and easily starts ahead of Vicario.
Porro over Veltman at RB, but I think that's a closer debate than many would think given Pedro's defensive frailties.
I would prefer Dunk over Romero because he plays with genuine commitment. Micky obviously takes the other spot.
Agree with Estupinan > Udogie. Kadioglu is clear of Destiny as well atm.
Baleba gets into the midfield three alongside Bentancur and Kulu.
Minteh/Adingra > Brennan at RW.
Mitoma > Son at LW.
Solanke > Welbeck at ST.

Thanks 6 of 11 for Brighton IMO.
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Joao Pedro is also a potential 100m player he's so talented he absolutely plays.
Whether it's 5 or 6 or whatever I agree. Johnson doesn't get into Brighton's team either.

Again that's why I'm less down on this project than others. I don't see spurs having a right to finish top 5. Arguably don't even have a top 5 team and squad and it's very easily arguable.
 
bradfisher14 said:
That's wild.

Verbruggen is arguably the best young keeper in world football and easily starts ahead of Vicario.
Porro over Veltman at RB, but I think that's a closer debate than many would think given Pedro's defensive frailties.
I would prefer Dunk over Romero because he plays with genuine commitment. Micky obviously takes the other spot.
Agree with Estupinan > Udogie. Kadioglu is clear of Destiny as well atm.
Baleba gets into the midfield three alongside Bentancur and Kulu.
Minteh/Adingra > Brennan at RW.
Mitoma > Son at LW.
Solanke > Welbeck at ST.

Thanks 6 of 11 for Brighton IMO.
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Mitoma had that purple patch last season but you aren't taking him over a fully fit Son. Son has 3g 3a to Mitoma 1g 3a in 250 less minutes. So yeah Mitoma on the park more this season but not the same impact.

I'd also prefer Romero to Dunk but rest I agree with.
 
bradfisher14 said:
That's wild.

Verbruggen is arguably the best young keeper in world football and easily starts ahead of Vicario.
Porro over Veltman at RB, but I think that's a closer debate than many would think given Pedro's defensive frailties.
I would prefer Dunk over Romero because he plays with genuine commitment. Micky obviously takes the other spot.
Agree with Estupinan > Udogie. Kadioglu is clear of Destiny as well atm.
Baleba gets into the midfield three alongside Bentancur and Kulu.
Minteh/Adingra > Brennan at RW.
Mitoma > Son at LW.
Solanke > Welbeck at ST.

Thanks 6 of 11 for Brighton IMO.
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I'm still not 100 percent convinced by their keeper, not to say I am convinced by Vicario either

No chance on Dunk. I'm not one who overrates Romero like most. But that's just crazy.

Love Baleba but again need to see more. Wouldn't have him above Biss or Maddison, just yet.

I had Mitoma into the side with Son adapting and playing right. Or Mitoma playing right too

Would concede on the GK. And give it a few months likely concede on Baleba but not yet
 
omgfridge said:
Mitoma had that purple patch last season but you aren't taking him over a fully fit Son. Son has 3g 3a to Mitoma 1g 3a in 250 less minutes. So yeah Mitoma on the park more this season but not the same impact.

I'd also prefer Romero to Dunk but rest I agree with.
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Yeah the Mitoma purple patch is a classic example of what can happen with players.

There was a time Bissouma was the next Dembele under Ange
 
Topkent said:
Joao Pedro is also a potential 100m player he's so talented he absolutely plays.
Whether it's 5 or 6 or whatever I agree. Johnson doesn't get into Brighton's team either.

Again that's why I'm less down on this project than others. I don't see spurs having a right to finish top 5. Arguably don't even have a top 5 team and squad and it's very easily arguable.
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For me it's Udogie out for Estupinan

Johnson out for Pedro or Mitoma.

Love Pedro. He's another example of their better squad build. Sometimes doesn't even start for them because of how equal the squad is
 
jd2010 said:
For me it's Udogie out for Estupinan

Johnson out for Pedro or Mitoma.

Love Pedro. He's another example of their better squad build. Sometimes doesn't even start for them because of how equal the squad is
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I think Baleba definitely gets in, he's gonna be sold for 80-100m aswell. Solanke is a good player, he's not clear of Pedro for me. Minteh or Adingra better than Johnson.

Then they have like Rutter, O'Reilly, Enciso, Gruda, Buanonotte, Wieffe lol.
It's crazy the squad they have.

Brighton also have the advantage of being able to develop players without an expectation of finishing top 4.
 
Topkent said:
I think Baleba definitely gets in, he's gonna be sold for 80-100m aswell. Solanke is a good player, he's not clear of Pedro for me. Minteh or Adingra better than Johnson.

Then they have like Rutter, O'Reilly, Enciso, Gruda, Buanonotte, Wieffe lol.
It's crazy the squad they have.

Brighton also have the advantage of being able to develop players without an expectation of finishing top 4.
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Baleba could be another Bissouma or Caicedo who aren't as good elsewhere

I don't see Pedro as a striker more of the Son mould. Solanke over Welbeck and Ferguson for the hold up tap in 9

Mitoma or Pedro over Johnson

I'm looking at this to play Angeball too, so the 2nd winger just needs to be a tap in merchant but one who can dribble would be nice. So Pedro would be ideal for that role.

Half agree with the why Brighton's squad have the advantage. It's not the expectations for mine, it's the evenness and lack of egos of it.

Minteh/Adingra/Gruda can rotate and nobody kicks up a fuss.

We have Dragusin well behind our 2 CBs and stories emerge of discontent. Same goes with when one of Sarr, Biss or Maddison drops out of the midfield. And that then means guys like Bergvall and Gray only see mins in a B team environment

We've had our fair share of injures but look at this lack of rotation after 11 league gamss

Total players used: Spurs 22 Brighton 25 (excluding 3 who left late Aug for brighton)

8 starts or more: Spurs 11 Brighton 7
4-7 starts: Spurs 3 Brighton 9
3 starts or less: spurs 8 players Brighton 6 (excluding players with long injury lay offs)
 
jd2010 said:
I want to make it clear, that lack of rotation and a B team mentality isn't a new phenomenon or an Ange problem

It's been that way for us for 10 years
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Think that's why Pep loves relatively small squads. There's never more than 1-2 players not getting regular minutes.
 

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