Bigfooty Yid Army Thread

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For those who didn't bother with that tweet (link) jd2010

forget the rest of what the managers all say (the same thing) that Levy is hard to deal with, it is the final 'reply' that got me.

this from the man himself. I would love to find that original article and when it was from

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and one final thing, apparently Levy wanted to sell an academy kid for £600,000. Gaffer politely told Levy, no way, ended up being one of our greatest players ever.


Levy's eye for football and gut feel is problematic if not embarrassing

 

[hawkman]

its not the totals anymore. Never has been. It's about the targets and result of transfers. Each of those managers all saying the same thing thet, although successful, could not do what brought them success elsewhere at Tottenham F.C because of bodies above them

I can absolutely see the argument that we have spent poorly, just can't accept the often repeated argument that Levy hasn't given the managers enough to spend over the last 3 years when we are one of the biggest spenders in the league.

 

[jd2010]

What is the percentage when you include transfer spending? Not sure why wages should be sole deciding factor for spending on players

The purpose of a football clubs revenue is for it to be spent on football expenses. That's how profits are determined

Transfer revenue in and out gets treated on the balance sheet. With BS accounting an amortisation of assets like what Chelsea do.

True measure of how ambitious a club is will always be it's percentage of revenue that gets spent on players wages.

 

[jd2010]

I can absolutely see the argument that we have spent poorly, just can't accept the often repeated argument that Levy has given the managers enough to spend over the last 3 years when we are one of the biggest spenders in the league.

Here's the reason we are in this mess

You can spend 500m on players with a poor wage structure and be not great like we are.

Our you can spend 500m and spend an extra 500k a week like we should be considering our revenues and we'd be genuine contenders.

 

[jd2010]

and one final thing, apparently Levy wanted to sell an academy kid for £600,000. Gaffer politely told Levy, no way, ended up being one of our greatest players ever.


Levy's eye for football and gut feel is problematic if not embarrassing

Lol that was the funny one in that thread

Tactics Tim being told off for picking Kane over Soldado because it was devaluing his 29m asset

 

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Lol that was the funny one in that thread

Tactics Tim being told off for picking Kane over Soldado because it was devaluing his 29m asset

yep, hilarious when that £600,000 asset turned into £100,000,000

wonder if Tim got a pat on the back

 

[jd2010]

With €615m in revenue a club concerned with profits like ENIC spends €258m on player wages

With €615m in revenue a club concerned with winning would be spending €320-350m on player wages

Liverpool = €713m and €410m
Arsenal = €717m and €380m
Chelsea = €546 and €393m a fair bit too extreme with 5x senior GKs

 

[hawkman]

Here's the reason we are in this mess

You can spend 500m on players with a poor wage structure and be not great like we are.

Our you can spend 500m and spend an extra 500k a week like we should be considering our revenues and we'd be genuine contenders.

We don't attract the top players so even if he we spent an extra 500k it would likely end up being on the Ndombele level or best case scenario Maddison level.
The strategy of the last 12 months of buying talented young players is actually the transfer strategy that could push us up. The problem is the mid range talent that we bought the previous 2-3 years isn't good enough to surround that.
If we could find the midfield and backline version of Solanke that would be great to build with the young players that are also being bought. Not always easy to find though

 

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my other favourite jd2010 was that Juande Ramos wanted Samuel Eto (Barcelona) and David Villa (Juventus) but ended up with Roman Pavylchenko (Spartak Moscow) and a previous transfer window acquired Darren Bent.


that just is the ENIC way. We wanted Coutinho at one point, no where near it (was this correct?), Grealish definitely one.

Its embarrassing how this club is run

 

[jd2010]

Now the ENIC southern hemisphere representatives might claim that we can't sign anyone because our stature (9th richest clubs in the world) can't attract anyone.

We can but we chose not to because the books look better.

Odobert vs Eze is a 100k a week saving or more

Werner vs Cunha is a like for like on wages but with no transfer fee instead of 60m

Until deadline day we wanted Gallagher or Ramsey who would command 150-200k a week. We signed nobody.

We have 1-3 less defenders that our rivals. Another 100-200k a week saved.

 

[jd2010]

We don't attract the top players so even if he we spent an extra 500k it would likely end up being on the Ndombele level or best case scenario Maddison level.
The strategy of the last 12 months of buying talented young players is actually the transfer strategy that could push us up. The problem is the mid range talent that we bought the previous 2-3 years isn't good enough to surround that.
If we could find the midfield and backline version of Solanke that would be great to build with the young players that are also being bought. Not always easy to find though

You've made 2 great examples of what we should be doing more of. Maddison and Solanke.

Signing that level instead of an Odobert.
Signing that level instead of Werner.
Signing that level to cover LB/LCB.
Signing that level in midfield like Ange and Lange spent all summer trying to do.

There's 4 serious failings that leaves the playing squad quite short. But sees us break the record for wage to turnover %

 

[jd2010]

my other favourite jd2010 was that Juande Ramos wanted Samuel Eto (Barcelona) and David Villa (Juventus) but ended up with Roman Pavylchenko (Spartak Moscow) and a previous transfer window acquired Darren Bent.


that just is the ENIC way. We wanted Coutinho at one point, no where near it (was this correct?), Grealish definitely one.

Its embarrassing how this club is run

Credit where it's due, he got better at identifying managers after Santini.

He wanted Jan Koller and not Michael Carrick!

 

[Yoda_]

You've made 2 great examples of what we should be doing more of. Maddison and Solanke.

Signing that level instead of an Odobert.
Signing that level instead of Werner.
Signing that level to cover LB/LCB.
Signing that level in midfield like Ange and Lange spent all summer trying to do.

There's 4 serious failings that leaves the playing squad quite short. But sees us break the record for wage to turnover %

re reading that thread and Conte summed it up. Something incredibly wrong if we are selling 2, 3, 4 players within a year or two of acquiring them consistently means that scouting is poor.

When you think about it, he is spot on. 2019, in tw consecutive windows we didn't sign players. 6 years on and players in those windows could be the cornerstone of the current squad. instead we are rushing and forcing signings to be apart of it straight away. See Kinsky, albeit in damning circumstances with Vic injury

 

[hawkman]

You've made 2 great examples of what we should be doing more of. Maddison and Solanke.

Signing that level instead of an Odobert.
Signing that level instead of Werner.
Signing that level to cover LB/LCB.
Signing that level in midfield like Ange and Lange spent all summer trying to do.

There's 4 serious failings that leaves the playing squad quite short. But sees us break the record for wage to turnover %

Odobert was 19 when we signed him. Again that was part of building a good selection of young players that can develop
Agreed on Werner and there should have been proper LB cover bought
Midfield sure there is an issue now, didn't think it was the major issue to look at prior to the season. Sarr has fallen off a cliff, Bissouma has never found the form prior to red at Luton, Bentancur more often than not unavailable with Gray likely to have been bought as the 4th or 5th mid behind Maddison as well

 

[jd2010]

re reading that thread and Conte summed it up. Something incredibly wrong if we are selling 2, 3, 4 players within a year or two of acquiring them consistently means that scouting is poor.

When you think about it, he is spot on. 2019, in tw consecutive windows we didn't sign players. 6 years on and players in those windows could be the cornerstone of the current squad. instead we are rushing and forcing signings to be apart of it straight away. See Kinsky, albeit in damning circumstances with Vic injury

We've had that many overhauls of the scouting department. And a dizzy amount of strategic visions for how we play.

But the talent ID side looks decent now. Just strategy and backing just isn't there at all

 

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We've had that many overhauls of the scouting department. And a dizzy amount of strategic visions for how we play.

But the talent ID side looks decent now. Just strategy and backing just isn't there at all

when you see the common theme, its "I want player x. We signed player y". Who does that fall on??

 

[hawkman]

re reading that thread and Conte summed it up. Something incredibly wrong if we are selling 2, 3, 4 players within a year or two of acquiring them consistently means that scouting is poor.

When you think about it, he is spot on. 2019, in tw consecutive windows we didn't sign players. 6 years on and players in those windows could be the cornerstone of the current squad. instead we are rushing and forcing signings to be apart of it straight away. See Kinsky, albeit in damning circumstances with Vic injury

This is where I see it. Right now we are seeing the failings of the transfer windows of 3-5 years ago rather than what has been done over the last couple of years

 

[jd2010]

Odobert was 19 when we signed him. Again that was part of building a good selection of young players that can develop
Agreed on Werner and there should have been proper LB cover bought
Midfield sure there is an issue now, didn't think it was the major issue to look at prior to the season. Sarr has fallen off a cliff, Bissouma has never found the form prior to red at Luton, Bentancur more often than not unavailable with Gray likely to have been bought as the 4th or 5th mid behind Maddison as well

Odobert came about very late. After chasing Neto and then Eze. Cheap and easy option. Just like we've seen play out for so many managers before

Midfield seemed to be the biggest issue Ange wanted sorted with the Gallagher and Ramsey links going so deep into the window. So it's not re writing history. We wanted a new 6 right up until the end of the window. Didn't get one

 

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Odobert was 19 when we signed him. Again that was part of building a good selection of young players that can develop
Agreed on Werner and there should have been proper LB cover bought
Midfield sure there is an issue now, didn't think it was the major issue to look at prior to the season. Sarr has fallen off a cliff, Bissouma has never found the form prior to red at Luton, Bentancur more often than not unavailable with Gray likely to have been bought as the 4th or 5th mid behind Maddison as well

I maintain that with the youth we are actually playing and our best players available. If we signed a true genuinely top shelf #6 and all XI were playing, we would be ok

 

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This is where I see it. Right now we are seeing the failings of the transfer windows of 3-5 years ago rather than what has been done over the last couple of years

agreed. mis directing £ on Tanguy is genuinely unforgivable.

 

[jd2010]

The youth approach is right but we went too far with it. Don't think the intention was to get Odobert and another kid. But it was cheaper so we did it

 

[iDon]

The youth approach is right but we went too far with it. Don't think the intention was to get Odobert and another kid. But it was cheaper so we did it

I agree with going maybe too far. Werner the big outlier getting him back we could have used his money for a more established star.

I think Sarr and Boussma are just products of having to play over and over and over. There confidence would be down and thats a big thing in elite sport.

 

[Yoda_]

The youth approach is right but we went too far with it. Don't think the intention was to get Odobert and another kid. But it was cheaper so we did it

the exciting thing about it is, something we haven't tried to do. Not this deep at least. We needed to do this (Grey, Bergval acquisitions) on top of building the first team.

 

[hawkman]

the exciting thing about it is, something we haven't tried to do. Not this deep at least. We needed to do this (Grey, Bergval acquisitions) on top of building the first team.

And Vuskovic coming at season's end. Only problem is that unless we win something he won't get the exposure of European games to build his way in the team

 

[jd2010]

the exciting thing about it is, something we haven't tried to do. Not this deep at least. We needed to do this (Grey, Bergval acquisitions) on top of building the first team.

I don't know if the sink or swim will be that great for their development. Still need some senior winners around them to learn from. Something we still lack