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Mostyn said:
Except we obviously were at 100% of the cap for 2024. We were pre-paying salary to give us room in 2025 to bring in three mature players.
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How many contracts did we extend after we realised Strachan was not up to it...

It was doable.
 
Kane McGoodwin said:
How many contracts did we extend after we realised Strachan was not up to it...

It was doable.
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The extensions don't hit the 2024 salary cap. All decisions about that would have been made before the season. It probably isn't doable the way you're describing.

But it's fair enough you feel that way.

Normally at this point in the season we're talking about how terrible our midfield will be, or our forwards. I guess arguing over the minimum wage backup ruck is progress.
 
1970crow said:
I think it would be helpful if we first agreed on the definition of a whipping boy. I don't think criticising the least effective player in a team means they're a whipping boy. Using Berg as an example, I wouldn't describe him as one because he was almost entirely playing 2s and was known KPF/2nd ruck depth. Yes he was criticised for some performances, but I don't feel he meets whipping boy criteria. To do so, he'd have needed to have continued to be selected despite h@ving proven he was no more than depth. Mackay, McHenry and McMurphy are good examples f players who existed perpetually as last player or 2 picked that we should have been moving on and giving the next second or third rounder a crack before churning them too.
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So, like Eric Hipwood?
 
Mostyn said:
The extensions don't hit the 2024 salary cap. All decisions about that would have been made before the season. It probably isn't doable the way you're describing.

But it's fair enough you feel that way.

Normally at this point in the season we're talking about how terrible our midfield will be, or our forwards. I guess arguing over the minimum wage backup ruck is progress.
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The likelihood hood is we leave some 2024 cap space, but we used it to front load some new extended contracts

Very unlikely we went into 2024 with a full salary cap.
 
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Kane McGoodwin said:
The likelihood hood is we leave some 2924 cap space, but we used it to front load some new extended contracts

Very unlikely we went into 2024 with a full salary cap.
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I don't think a contract extension allows you to backdate money to an earlier contract, which in effect is what you're saying.

Personally, I completely believe they pushed future money from contracted players into the 2024 cap, to open up more space in 2025 and beyond. Normally, this is exactly what we'd want them to do, and for it to then payoff with three mature player signings is the kind of "everything went to plan" that NEVER seems to happen for the Crows.

The only reason we're upset is because of Strachan and Smith, and wanting to cut players early. I think there's always compromises you make, and that's the compromise they made?
 
Mostyn said:
I don't think a contract extension allows you to backdate money to an earlier contract, which in effect is what you're saying.

Personally, I completely believe they pushed future money from contracted players into the 2024 cap, to open up more space in 2025 and beyond. Normally, this is exactly what we'd want them to do, and for it to then payoff with three mature player signings is the kind of "everything went to plan" that NEVER seems to happen for the Crows.

The only reason we're upset is because of Strachan and Smith, and wanting to cut players early. I think there's always compromises you make, and that's the compromise they made?
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We have often renegotiated contracts & front loaded them to use up cap.

We have done this for much of our best young talent.

Pies tried the opposite when they got into cap trouble...
 
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Kane McGoodwin said:
We have often renegotiated contracts & font loaded them to use up cap.

We have done this for much of our best young talent.

Pies tried the opposite when they got into cap trouble...
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I've said this a few times: I would have the ability to front load contracts built into every contract.

Then you always spend the full cap, so depending on trades/retirements/stuff happening you can pay a bit more of certain contracts to free up space.

Surely we do this? Madness if not.
 

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SugarShane said:
Any time you even mention the umpires you're laughed at because "Yeah the umpires made a 48 point difference". The fact is that they absolutely stifled us when the game was on the line and then once our backs were broken we admittedly let Richmond get away with it.

Atkins allowed to take advantage when there was none, tackled literally immediately and paid HTB. Then denying us advantage minutes later when we actually had it.

Eddie Betts held in the goal square.

No 50 for a super late hit on Tom Lynch.

Dustin Martin with giant handfuls of (I think) Luke Brown's jumper before taking a mark mere minutes after one of our forwards was penalised for the exact same thing.

Amongst many more. They all happened in the first half when we were either in front, or within a couple goals. But any mention of it is just sour grapes.
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It always gives me the shits how swans fans complain about 2016. I’ve rewatched that game and it wasn’t that bad. The kind of standard of umpiring you expect from ‘regular’ poorly umpired game. I’m not convinced it cost them the game.

2017 was some the worst I’ve ever seen
 
Mr MysteryGuest said:
It always gives me the shits how swans fans complain about 2016. I’ve rewatched that game and it wasn’t that bad. The kind of standard of umpiring you expect from ‘regular’ poorly umpired game. I’m not convinced it cost them the game.

2017 was some the worst I’ve ever seen
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Nah, 2016 was pretty bad. Cost the Swans the game.

I started the game going for the Dogs (in a pub in Sydney), but the umpiring was so bad I had to switch allegiences.
 
Mr MysteryGuest said:
It always gives me the shits how swans fans complain about 2016. I’ve rewatched that game and it wasn’t that bad. The kind of standard of umpiring you expect from ‘regular’ poorly umpired game. I’m not convinced it cost them the game.

2017 was some the worst I’ve ever seen
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The GWS vs Bulldogs semi or prelim final was the one the Dogs got the best ride in from memory
 
1970crow said:
Robran is interesting because I do recall him being a bit maligned, but I think that was because the gap between his best and his worst was so extreme and he was such a massive talent.
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The name he had to carry didn’t help. The older supporters like me remembered how much of a freakish talent his father was.
 
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Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
The GWS vs Bulldogs semi or prelim final was the one the Dogs got the best ride in from memory
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