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Looks like there's a consensus then. Grundy is the better player. Nice to see Bigfooty can unite people
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Looks like there's a consensus then. Grundy is the better player. Nice to see Bigfooty can unite people
Actually it was from where I was sitting, on the St. Kilda wing, where I somehow managed to sit. And to be honest the umpiring in the first quarter favoured the Saints heavily, I saw Cloke get both of his arms held behing his back for no free. As the game went on in favored Collingwood more, but all teams have to go through that. God knows we have.The general view of Collingwood supporters i take it? The same ones that though the umpiring was also fine. When a team has control of the game you'd assume you a ruck man on that side would get more of the ball just through weight of numbers.
Actually it was from where I was sitting, on the St. Kilda wing, where I somehow managed to sit. And to be honest the umpiring in the first quarter favoured the Saints heavily, I saw Cloke get both of his arms held behing his back for no free. As the game went on in favored Collingwood more, but all teams have to go through that. God knows we have.
If you want to go that way, yes we won this game by a fair margin, but what about overall?
Grundy has consistently proven even in games that Collingwood has lost that he has a much bigger impact around the ground, taking more marks, kicking more goals, more I50's and in general the better footballer.
Longer has a slight advantage in hitouts, but he has also had one more year in the system than Grundy has (plus Grundy has had a few interrupted preseasons, not sure about Longer).
So in all Grundy has proven at the highest level that he is better around the ground, he has proven that he is the better footballer. And after all that he is a whole year younger than Longer? Grundy at the level he currently is has been our best ruckman in the past 20 years, bar Jolly at the peak of his powers.
I agreed that his tap work is better?...Even Collingwood supporters are pointing out that Grundys tap work is behind and have even tried to swing some of the blame onto the mids. Longer is one of the best tap ruckman for his age we've seen for a long time. Longer also was severly hampered with injury in his two years at Brisbane.
I agreed that his tap work is better?...
I agree. I think both will be great ruckmen, I just prefer the more crash-and-bash style that Grundy seems to do well.I actually understand what your saying and to date your the only Collingwood supporter that is being rational in the discussion. Words like dominated and thrashed being used either way is just wrong.
I agree. I think both will be great ruckmen, I just prefer the more crash-and-bash style that Grundy seems to dd.
I thinkk Happy Mastenator summed it up perfectly.
I agree. I think both will be great ruckmen, I just prefer the more crash-and-bash style that Grundy seems to dd.
I thinkk Happy Mastenator summed it up perfectly.
I think ruckmen are punished far too much in general to be honest, I remember last year when Grundy averaged the most frees against in the league, was so painful to watch knowing most of them wouldn't be called normally.Longers strength are his tap work and then his physical presence at the contest. Hickey is a far better ruckman around the ground but doesn't provide the same unrewarded work that Longer provides although he is a fantastic contested mark. Longer was also on the receiving end of some fairly poor calls by the umpires when using his body on Friday night.
Was lovely to see Grundy finally rewarded with decent umpiring. He copped it hard last year. It's clear though Collingwood have got an absolute beauty on their hands
St Kilda's player development has not been up to scratch so we may never knowLonger will definitely become half as good as Grundy.
Not sure why you are arguing Adam H, Grundy was one of the best on ground on friday night and clearly showed up Longer. Still very happy with Billy's progress but I think it's fairly obvious Brodie is looking better at this stage.
Because Collingwood and Western Bulldogs don't have any good players according to him.Not sure why you are arguing Adam H, Grundy was one of the best on ground on friday night and clearly showed up Longer. Still very happy with Billy's progress but I think it's fairly obvious Brodie is looking better at this stage.
Not sure why you are arguing Adam H, Grundy was one of the best on ground on friday night and clearly showed up Longer. Still very happy with Billy's progress but I think it's fairly obvious Brodie is looking better at this stage.
Because Collingwood and Western Bulldogs don't have any good players according to him.
Because Collingwood and Western Bulldogs don't have any good players according to him.
It's funny how will minson is bad because all he does is win hitouts but when longer does it that's apparently good because of his "physical presence".
Has he mentioned Rhys Stanley being traded for a higher pick than jones supposedly making Stanley the better player and in no way a monumental mistake by Geelong?
Both are shit at AFL level. Jones averages 3 goals/game at VFL level compared to Stanley's 2. Jones please.Minson is what 30 and still not taking a grab, please dont tell me you believe Jones is better than Stanley.