Blockbusters.

[Dave]

Originally posted by Michele
"You took me to task"

Yep I did. "If you want to slag people off with comments like "oh talented one" then it might be wise not to stuff it up yourself."
Hey, how about that, you actually got something right.

Your rantings ar only your OPINION - not fact.

My dear girl the only person ranting in this thread has been your (not so) good self. I suggest you take your own advice. And a bex. If you want to make outlandish statements that have no basis in fact expect, particularly on this board, to get called on it. If you can't handle that, tough. But then we've all come to expect that from you.

I suggest you read what is ACTUALLY written

"As it stands now, the so-called big 4 are stating where, when and which team they will play."

Now you did write that didn't you? (and it's still WRONG )

You are a SUPERCILLIOUS idiot.

ROFLMAO! If you want to insult me at least get the spelling right lovey

And dearie, I may well have nothing but disdain for you, but that's because over time you have shown yourself incapable of seeing beyond your own team.

 

[Michele]

Originally posted by Dave


I may well have nothing but disdain for you, but that's because over time you have shown yourself incapable of seeing beyond your own team.

Davie,

You wouldn't happen to be an Essendon supporter, would you?

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Michele
You wouldn't happen to be an Essendon supporter, would you?

Yep, and unlike you dearie, one who does not have club coloured blinkers on.

Keep the consipracy theories coming though.

 

[Mr. Micawber]

Dave, I wouldnt bother about Kangaroo supporters.....they are still recovering from the 125 point thrashing in the 2000 final series...and cna you blame them the poor dears!

They knock our draftin of Salmon, but look who they drafted .....Mick no hamstrings Martyn.

Good thinking North.

Maybe they are angry at us for letting Ricky and Calthorpe end up at there club.!

Suckers.

You should know we only let players past their use by date go (but dont tell North or Collingwood ssssshhhhhh.....)

 

[Dan26]

Michele,

You don't like us do you?

 

[pugsville]

Level Playing Field - Equalization.

What *I* object to is the focus on gate reciepts form blockbuster games should be "shared" around in order to create a level playing field. There are *MANY* lumps and bumps and slopes in the competition if you are going to have a serious look at a level playing field you gotta look at the whole setup.

I dont like the "fixed" draw we get every year, I'd rather a random or final ladder psoition draw (odds/evens all odss play each other once evens once).

The fact is the does not treat clubs equally.

Sydney, given extra money at various times, and allowed an extra 10% salary cap for the extra costs of lving in sydney. The Zone player.

Brisbane - the whole alledged "merger", the zone player.

Dockers - when they lost White they were given a compenstation pick coz melb rorted the cap, White was going anyway he just would have gone to a different melbourne club, it was hmm freo need some propping up.

West Coast/ Adeliade - Dont contribute gate recipts, costs teams to play these teams.


now to the topic at hand (well one of them) The Sharing of receipts from Blockbuster games. I'm against it. Not without leveling the playing field in a number of other areas.

There is a lot of talk of "sharing" money from games at the MCG that have big crowds. Why is this particularly fair? Yes they *DO* generate a lot of money however take the hawthorn-essendon clash this year *BIG* blockbuster potential but essendon chose to play at colonial as essendon has a good deal at colonial and makes good money from capacity crowds there. North chose to play collinwgood in canberra (yeah right north fans, collingwood write the draw thats why we were ddran to play you in sydney and had it moved to canberra mid season) and made good money from that game, but north keeps that money but collingwood-essendon game money should be shared. Note also that essendon & carlton two of the so called "big 4" are choosing to play many of their games at smaller venues (OO, CS) because mainly of finacial deals they can swing. Why should a game at the MCG with 70,000 be subject to sharing while a game making more money for it's club with 40,000 at CS not be shared?


Note also that in real terms it's collingwood money to a large extent goping off to prop north, the dogs up this summer. In a level playing fiels there would not be even a greasy spot on the grass remaining of either of those clubs.

 

[SydneyBomber]

Originally posted by Dan25
Michele,

You don't like us do you?

The Understatement of the Year Award goes to young Daniel here!


Make sure you thank norf & michelle in your acceptance speech....

 

[Chelt_Eagle]

yep, i agree

 

[team_x]

If St.Kilda could get their act together administratively and back it up on the field then they might get a better billing. Same for other clubs with a latent supporter base.
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To be fair to the St Kilda FC, I recall hearing one of their top brass on 3AW late 2003 saying that the Saints did not deserve blockbuster status, that they had to earn it and had to build their own by onfield success drawing people to the game. Was not interested in cashing in on what other teams had built.

IMHO, the right attitude to take. Collingwood/Essendon would draw a huge crowd regardless of what day the match was played. As would Carlton/Essendon and Carlton/Collingwood. With the right form, Richmond would be up there too. The blockbuster status comes from the anticipation and feeling associated with the rivalry between the two clubs, not because it is played on a particular day of the week.

 

[deck]

If St.Kilda could get their act together administratively and back it up on the field then they might get a better billing. Same for other clubs with a latent supporter base.
QUOTE]

To be fair to the St Kilda FC, I recall hearing one of their top brass on 3AW late 2003 saying that the Saints did not deserve blockbuster status, that they had to earn it and had to build their own by onfield success drawing people to the game. Was not interested in cashing in on what other teams had built.

IMHO, the right attitude to take. Collingwood/Essendon would draw a huge crowd regardless of what day the match was played. As would Carlton/Essendon and Carlton/Collingwood. With the right form, Richmond would be up there too. The blockbuster status comes from the anticipation and feeling associated with the rivalry between the two clubs, not because it is played on a particular day of the week.

Sam newman said on the footy show one time when i think north melbourne complained about collingwood and essendon always getting anzac day. He said they should let north have it and collingwood and essendon could play on the saturday and then north would then realise that it's the teams that draw the crowd not the public holiday.

 

[Cuneyt]

In 5 to 10 years when the Kangaroos brand is the first truly national team with 30,000 members in Melbourne, 10,000 in Canberra and another 10,000 in WA and SA we shall have the last laugh.

People have been writing us off ever since I can remember, in the mid 80's, early 90's and now. Don't forget that we have the only commercial structure which will enable us to take advantage of the national concept.

We shall have the last laugh as we always do.

lol in 5 to 10 years i dont expect to see you pathetic kangas around in the AFL...you guys have had much much more success than us in the past 20 years, yet we have been pulling in more bigger crowds than you guys...this is the reason why your pathetic "dream" will never ever come true.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Which team is playing Friday Night Footy?
It is NOT my team.

Michele

for the most part, my memory is of being force fed North games with excessive regularity on friday nights throughout the 90's.

 

[Crow-mosone]

I have tried to follow this thread, and frankly its making my head hurt.

can anyone summarise - no add ons, no side points - a response to this:

If Collingwood v. Essendon draws 80,000 to the MCG on Anzac day, lets say it makes $A2mio profit.
North v. St Kilda say on the same day, draws 50,000 to the MCG, with lets say $A1mio profit.

how is that good for the game?

 

[VANDA]

When can we have a handout Mr. Demetriou?

 

[SurreyBlue]

Blockbusters are non-existent and it’s just another false marketing exercise by the AFL to make teams like StKilda & Bulldogs feel they are moving forward.

Simply successful teams (on & off ground) will bring in the crowds every year no matter where they are on the Malthouse clock eg. Carlton vs Collingwood Round22 2004.

 

[Falchoon]

I have tried to follow this thread, and frankly its making my head hurt.

can anyone summarise - no add ons, no side points - a response to this:

If Collingwood v. Essendon draws 80,000 to the MCG on Anzac day, lets say it makes $A2mio profit.
North v. St Kilda say on the same day, draws 50,000 to the MCG, with lets say $A1mio profit.

how is that good for the game?

The counter argument is

If Coll/Ess play on a regular Saturday they may get 65000 for a 1.5 million profit,
if North/Saints play on a regular Saturday they may get 25000 for breakeven.

With North/Saints playing instead of Coll/Ess a further 10000 people have turned up.

 

[Lidge]

Blockbusters. Meh!

My main gripe, which hasn't been mentioned on the 4 years of this thread is...

The so called 'Big 4' consists of 3 crap teams and an OK one (Essendon) who get's a leg up into the 8, by playing the 3 crappy sides twice each year.

Don't worry about the uneven playing field in terms of gate receipts (the CBF is on place to offset that).

I'm sure most teams would be stoked to play Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood & Essendon twice each year (even if they had the drawing power of Fremantle in Melbourne). That's a lot of free points in the bank every season and makes qualifying for the 8 a whole lot easier.

I'm sure Brisbane, WCE, Melbourne, Geelong supporters etc would be filthy if North was 'drawn' to play Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Essendon & Richmond (all 4 on our owned list) twice every season (whether it be on a Fri, Sat or Sun). On recent form - that's 32 almost guaranteed premiership points.

 

[Crow-mosone]

The counter argument is

If Coll/Ess play on a regular Saturday they may get 65000 for a 1.5 million profit,
if North/Saints play on a regular Saturday they may get 25000 for breakeven.

With North/Saints playing instead of Coll/Ess a further 10000 people have turned up.

ok fair enough, if that were to happen there might be some merit.

but hasn't it already been suggested that there are people who go to the game from non competing clubs - wouldn't they most likely be the extra 10,000?

if it were 10,000 genuinely 'new' faces to the game, introduced by way of scheduling I'm all for it; but I am not convinced that this would be achieved in greater numbers by way of north/saints as opposed to collingwood/essendon. a bigger crowd overall will create a bigger, better atmosphere, and in turn a better spectacle i'd have thought.

 

[Slander]

To me blockbusters are given value by the uneveness of the draw, if everyone played each other twice they wouldn't be such a big deal (except the Western Derbies & Showdowns).

 

[myTbombers]

Its plain obvious that the AFL make games suited to bringing in the dollar. And while that is extremely important, the evenness across the league suffers. As mentioned early, essendon and coll will always play one another twice in a season, what happens if one of those teams are for the yr, the other has a chance to win 2 games, that maybe another team doesnt, and just miss out on the finals.

*of coarse that team would always be collingwood

 

[marcuz]

Blockbusters. Meh!

My main gripe, which hasn't been mentioned on the 4 years of this thread is...

The so called 'Big 4' consists of 3 crap teams and an OK one (Essendon) who get's a leg up into the 8, by playing the 3 crappy sides twice each year.

Don't worry about the uneven playing field in terms of gate receipts (the CBF is on place to offset that).

I'm sure most teams would be stoked to play Richmond, Carlton, Collingwood & Essendon twice each year (even if they had the drawing power of Fremantle in Melbourne). That's a lot of free points in the bank every season and makes qualifying for the 8 a whole lot easier.

I'm sure Brisbane, WCE, Melbourne, Geelong supporters etc would be filthy if North was 'drawn' to play Hawthorn, Port Adelaide, Essendon & Richmond (all 4 on our owned list) twice every season (whether it be on a Fri, Sat or Sun). On recent form - that's 32 almost guaranteed premiership points.

You're basing that on the premise that those teams stay average. Remember it wasnt so long ago that 3 of those for teams finished in the top 5. While it may be advantageous when most teams are weak if all the teams are strong then that advantage is shot to pieces.