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Jorge said:
So would Gaff be considered a FA? Or need to be traded for? Has anyone actually reported the details of his contract?
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The lack of knowledge of player contracts (can include Marchbank and Papley in this conversation) makes the league seem so third rate. We try to mimic American leagues in so many different ways, but we can't be transparent when it comes to something as simple as the salary cap. I understand that the AFLPA would probably have to agree to it and would have their reasons not so, but I still think it'd benefit the league immensely. The AFL landscape has changed significantly over the past 5-10 years. Fans are more invested in the off-season than ever before (drafts, trades etc) and are more interested in the intricacies of putting together a list than ever before so it only makes sense to adopt the mantra that leagues in the US do and make contract details public.
 

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Arr0w said:
Gaff will not be a FA until the end of his contract, but he has a get out clause if his father's health once again declines

It would be a trade
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This interpretation has been suggested a couple of times, and my question is always: if this is true, what difference does the get out clause make? Players without a get out clause can already request trades when family circumstances change. How does the get out clause make the situation any different?

Genuine question, if I'm missing something I'd love to know what it is.
 
My thinking is that if we end up with Papley, Martin and Betts; whilst keeping our 2020 draft picks - we'll run out of this trading period laughing...
This way we can have options next year and have enough $$$ in the bank to manage & keep our future stars!
 
My Hat said:
This interpretation has been suggested a couple of times, and my question is always: if this is true, what difference does the get out clause make? Players without a get out clause can already request trades when family circumstances change. How does the get out clause make the situation any different?

Genuine question, if I'm missing something I'd love to know what it is.
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Long term contract, club are completely in their rights to deny a trade, Gibbs is a good example

More and more players will opt for these types of clauses, Kelly, Gaff etc
 
Jorge said:
So would Gaff be considered a FA? Or need to be traded for? Has anyone actually reported the details of his contract?
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Like the Papley contract scenario, I don't think any journo has dug deep enough into the specifics (or if they've tried, they haven't gotten a clear enough answer to run with).

Indication is that it is "similar" to a deal Josh Kelly made with GWS. Something like a 2 year fixed contract, with a player option to extend for a period beyond that. Kelly's supposedly has two extension options in three or four year increments.

It's an interesting approach - gives all the power to the player, but supposedly would only be put on the table for elite players that clubs really want to keep, and probably only when that player is considering leaving and is unwilling to commit beyond a perceived "window" - be that a flag window, or an opportunity for their club to get their shit together.

It basically says "We'll keep you as long as you want to play for us, and to show our commitment we'll lock you in for 2 years, then give you the choice to leave as a free agent or extend your contract for X years". For a high value player, it gives them the best of both worlds - they defer the decision for a couple of years, but don't run the risk of losing out if they suffer a serious injury or form slump.

With Gaff, I'm tipping he was genuinely considering heading to a Melbourne club last year. If WC had just offered him a 1 or 2 year extension, he may have preferred the security of a long-term contract in Victoria, but a 6+ year deal would have had the potential to make it difficult to get to Victoria if his circumstances changed. The short contract + player-option extension is a fair compromise and may have been the only thing that kept him at the club for 2019.
 
JuddgementDay said:
My thinking is that if we end up with Papley, Martin and Betts; whilst keeping our 2020 draft picks - we'll run out of this trading period laughing...
This way we can have options next year and have enough $$$ in the bank to manage & keep our future stars!
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Same for me. Our targets are the right fits for the club for now and have plenty of life left in them.

I would trade our 2020 1st for Caldwell though, should we manufacture a situation for GWS to accept that offer.
That would complete us leading into 2020, with the view of trading some players out at the end of that year, in order to finish off the build for finals' assaults.
 
Arr0w said:
Gaff will not be a FA until the end of his contract, but he has a get out clause if his father's health once again declines

It would be a trade
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Wouldn't a get-out clause equate to an escape clause from the contract? How else could it work?
 

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Arr0w said:
Long term contract, club are completely in their rights to deny a trade, Gibbs is a good example

More and more players will opt for these types of clauses, Kelly, Gaff etc
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I think the question is what does the clause actually achieve? Are you saying that West Coast are unable to deny a trade? If so why offer them anything of value?
 
If Gaff’s get out clause means he can can somehow revisit Free Agency, then Wow....

We would only have to spend some of the Coniglio money and the Eagles get compensated based on the size of the new contract etc.

That might be the circuit breaker for Tim Kelly and to satisfy Geelong.
 
If gaff is the guy then it’s perfect.
To those who say not the future well it’s exactly what he is.
Our kids ain’t gonna be flag contender overnight and can use gaff as the conduit between our older boys and themselves.
Gut runner. Nice disposal and experience being in a premiership contender and winner.

No brainer 1st for mine. ( this years or next, whatever doesn’t effect Martin or the Smear)
 
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For what it's worth, I don't think Gaff is a free agent this year. I think the suggestion is that he becomes a free agent again next year unless he chooses to trigger a contract extension. If he's likely to leave then, it may be beneficial for WC to let him go via trade this season so they can use the pick(s) they get in return to secure Kelly.
 
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