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Does it worry anyone else that the guys who are in the high priced free agency wars seem to have pretty crap years after their mega-deal is done? Coniglio and Grundy haven't exactly set the world alight this year. Kelly hasn't seemed to become the next amazing midfielder that everyone thought...

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Bluemour Melting Pot XXVII

As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bluemour-file.1085141/ Rumour posters should post their rumours in both threads for those that like just to read rumours and for those that like to have get lost in their...

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It helps so much when you just don't have the time to read through this thread, cheers and great job.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

How does that work?

If we offered $150k a year, GWS cannot match the bid because that is one of there lower paid contracts?

If we only offered that, he wouldn't be coming to us.

 

[gbatman]

And if the Giants want Williams, he too will be unattainable ...

Williams is an RFA and Carlton supposedly have an enormously open salary cap while GWS most likely have a fairly tight cap. We could just go and buy him and there is nothing they could do about it. If we want him and he wants us then we get him.

If they want to keep him they are going to have to make room. So which quality players are they willing to let go to keep him? Probably someone we can benefit from.

I reckon we could buy Williams and still have room in the warchest.

 

[Red Bull]

Williams is an RFA and Carlton supposedly have an enormously open salary cap while GWS most likely have a fairly tight cap. We could just go and buy him and there is nothing they could do about it. If we want him and he wants us then we get him.

If they want to keep him they are going to have to make room. So which quality players are they willing to let go to keep him? Probably someone we can benefit from.

I reckon we could buy Williams and still have room in the warchest.

This is the point.
The Giants hold the aces and will likely decide the outcomes.
Williams has no desire to leave GWS, if they give him a suitable contract ... he stays.
We can’t “buy” him if he’s not for sale.
The Giants may simply be open to losing what they can most easily cover ...

 

[GapInIkonPark]

How does that work?

If we offered $150k a year, GWS cannot match the bid because that is one of there lower paid contracts? If we offer $1mil a year they can’t match because they can’t afford it?

If so, we can pretty much offer whatever we want (that he agrees with) and he walks?

Doesn‘t seem right, the club has no power in either scenario to make a decision whether to keep the player they have invested so heavily in.

I assume he’s one of the Top 10 players at GWS by salary. That makes his a restricted free agent.
Let’s say we offer him $1 million a year for 5 years and he nominates us.
GWS can ‘match it’, but only if it would not breach its salary cap to do so.

 

[gandaal]

Another Giant at the Blues? Carlton circles gun free agent

The Blues have emerged as a contender for dashing defender Zac Williams

www.afl.com.au

 

[Magruder]

Hill seems very close to Williams, I'd be trying to get them both across.

Pay our first for Hill, a little overs but he's contracted and it'll be cheaper than Papley. Our version of Cameron and Neale for 1 pick.

Definitely wouldnt be giving out 1st for Hill, our 2nd will do it.

The point is both players for 1 pick.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Well that is a real indictment on previous coaches/development team. Is it power that is leading the way?

If Polson has really improved it further supports retiring betts, simpson, Kreuzer& murphy We need to get games into polson and co, more so if their football is equal to the vets.

 

[Michael Jezz]

If you can get him you get him. End of story.

Yes can we beat Collingwood first

 

[Curnivore]

Last time I went surfing was some time ago in Bali, massive wipeout

Came to on the beach, someone trying to give me mouth to mouth and a number of shells up my clacker

Not pretty

They say if you put your ear to Arrows clacker you can hear the ocean

 

[smashbox gill]

The point is both players for 1 pick.

Williams is a FA

 

[Aphrodite]

Williams is a FA

RFA

 

[mochacinolatte]

Not sure I would be using the inside 50 differential to form the basis of your argument. Wouldn't it make more sense to use the average number of inside 50' entries by the Swans?
There was a marginal decrease in forward 50 entries in 2018 compared to 2017 from 52.6 to 50 (approximately a 5% decrease)
There also was a marginal decrease in forward 50 entries in 2018 falling to 47.7, a 4.6% drop.
To make this exercise worthwhile you would also need to factor in the number of games played and average time spent on the field.

The whole point of the argument I had was that you can't aimlessly look at statistic and claim as a fact when there are several flaws in a rating system. Yes just like you did with my I50's. The point of the discussion is using stats as fact can be disingenuous.

 

[ShanDog]

This situation is where we will hopefully see our good salary cap management serve us well.

We are in the position to pay extra to get the player without having to lose any of our players or draft picks in trade, so of he's perfect for what we need, you absolutely throw big dollars front-loaded at him. Force GWS to make a hard decision - offload someone else or lose him for nothing but compo from the AFL. We walk away with nothing but a salary cap hit (which we can afford) and a gun player.

 

[iAsbestos]

RFA

Gws have no cash won't match what we're offering.

 

[90N90S]

We are going hard at Papley again.

 

[Eiffel 65]

TDK does not want to leave.

This is the rumour we like to see

 

[Magruder]

Williams is a FA

the point is that both players may be obtainable. The use of a first for hill may smooth the acquisition of Williams.

whether the poster is right or not In terms of some notional player valuation is irrelevant

we could get Hill for less, we could get Zilliams for just cap space. But these things don’t happen in a vacuum. Slightly overpaying in draft capital for one may mean paying slightly less in $ for the other or being able to structure the contract to suit our needs rather to dissuade matching.

it may also allow both deals to be finalised early which further affords their chance to pursue other targets or agendas.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Why would TDK want to leave in the first place, I'm confused?

 

[Eiffel 65]

Why would TDK want to leave in the first place, I'm confused?

Because supposedly Sydney are trying to pillage our list as part of the Papley trade.

Not worth it IMO.

Time to move past Papley.

 

[bluemahogany]

Why would TDK want to leave in the first place, I'm confused?

Unless it's about Sydney wanting him for Papley, then it's a non-issue.

 

[RAPPA]

Because supposedly Sydney are trying to pillage our list as part of the Papley trade.

Not worth it IMO.

Time to move past Papley.

TDK is much more important to Carlton’s future than attaining Papley. If that’s the end scenario then Carlton would be wise to pass on Pap.

 

[carlton_99]

This is the rumour we like to see

Not so sure about that... Makes it sound like the club might have an idea to trade him. Don't think that will be a good move

 

[jimsta10]

Impressive at 21 yrs..imagine when he gains 5kg-8kg of muscle..

 

[Blue Dimension]

If we somehow find a way to get both Williams and Papley, plus another year of development into our kids.

Wowee. That’s exciting.

 

[La Dispute]

Watch all the ITK’s circle back within the month.

Like clockwork.