Bluemour Melting Pot XXIX

[Gethelred]

You may be right, he isn’t exactly the prototype player they normally recruit and develop to play their brand but it’s just a hunch and i think he’s too good a player for them to not take ‘if’ he was keen on them...

I'm actually all for them taking him.

They lucked into discovering a system that worked well enough for them to win 3 flags, and they spent the time during that trying to cover their weaknesses (ie, recruiting players to win contested ball, a second KPF to compensate for the lack). They went from dynamic and (above all else) different to trying for conventional; win the tap, win the clearance, kick forward. Only problem is, their game was completely about sacrificing first possession to allow you to sustain tackling pressure for the entire rest of the game; it let the lesser lights contribute more easily, took advantage of their tackling techniques to bring opposition players to ground and allow the cascading outnumbers to a now loose ball, and it let the good players rest for longer early in games so they could blow you apart later. Mistake they went for last year early and this year all season: they're trying to stop teams from beating them by winning the ball first.

Only problem is, you cannot sustain that level of pressure unless you're willing to make it the centre of your game; if you're trying to win the ball, you're not standing in the same spot you were when you were just interested in tackling the bloke who has it to ground, and you've actually got to read the ball a bit better, and you've got to work harder to compensate for your positioning if you lose the tap and/or possession. They then have to work harder and all of a sudden they're not belting blokes out of the way or running teams off their feet anymore. They're the ones who now can't run a game out.

He is an attempt to go in this direction further than they have even now. They take him, they're not trying to play the way they won 3 flags; they're trying to play the way St Kilda did under Ratts last year.

I don't think the Richmond dynasty will hang around the way Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn did. I think they lucked into something that worked and worked well, they didn't know why or how it worked until it did, and now they've gone too far in trying to compensate for supposed weaknesses that they've discarded what made them strong in the first place.

 

[ferrisb]

Kudos to FlowersByIrene for sharing this rumor.

Never trust the FBI!

 

[Aphrodite]

Never trust the FBI!

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

I'm actually all for them taking him.

They lucked into discovering a system that worked well enough for them to win 3 flags, and they spent the time during that trying to cover their weaknesses (ie, recruiting players to win contested ball, a second KPF to compensate for the lack). They went from dynamic and (above all else) different to trying for conventional; win the tap, win the clearance, kick forward. Only problem is, their game was completely about sacrificing first possession to allow you to sustain tackling pressure for the entire rest of the game; it let the lesser lights contribute more easily, took advantage of their tackling techniques to bring opposition players to ground and allow the cascading outnumbers to a now loose ball, and it let the good players rest for longer early in games so they could blow you apart later. Mistake they went for last year early and this year all season: they're trying to stop teams from beating them by winning the ball first.

Only problem is, you cannot sustain that level of pressure unless you're willing to make it the centre of your game; if you're trying to win the ball, you're not standing in the same spot you were when you were just interested in tackling the bloke who has it to ground, and you've actually got to read the ball a bit better, and you've got to work harder to compensate for your positioning if you lose the tap and/or possession. They then have to work harder and all of a sudden they're not belting blokes out of the way or running teams off their feet anymore. They're the ones who now can't run a game out.

He is an attempt to go in this direction further than they have even now. They take him, they're not trying to play the way they won 3 flags; they're trying to play the way St Kilda did under Ratts last year.

I don't think the Richmond dynasty will hang around the way Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn did. I think they lucked into something that worked and worked well, they didn't know why or how it worked until it did, and now they've gone too far in trying to compensate for supposed weaknesses that they've discarded what made them strong in the first place.

Outstanding post.

Might be a touch harsh on them stumbling on to the game plan. I think there was an element of planning involved but they ran with it bloody well.

The funny thing is. The brand of footy that won them those flags is in my opinion unstoppable. If you ever watched them live when at their best. The surge, high speed running combined with Martin winning every contest forward of the ball, combined with their loose in defence left you feeling completely hopeless as an opposition fan.

No team could handle the pressure they put on. But like every professional team, take out some key pillars and a smidgen of hunger and it can crumble fast.

 

[BlueTongue]

...snip

I don't think the Richmond dynasty will hang around the way Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn did. I think they lucked into something that worked and worked well, they didn't know why or how it worked until it did, and now they've gone too far in trying to compensate for supposed weaknesses that they've discarded what made them strong in the first place.

On paper, I think we right now are a far better team than the Tigers ever were, but we are selfish and disorganized.

I'm of the belief that they had quite a 'few little ducks' line up for them, in that Dusty is a Freak who came into Career best form at the right time, that Hardwick managed to gain their confidence at the right time, just when he had to roll the dice and free them up and gamble with the running in packs style of play.

To be honest, they have a few great players, but they have a big list of 'Grunts' whom have played well above their skill level for the past few years, and now that their top tier players are not performing, and their self 'Belief' is beginning to waver, they are falling in a heap very fast.

It does show what a Hard Nosed coach and a well drilled team who all buy in can achieve, even with limited skills.

 

[sweetchoif]

See how quickly the landscape changes?

Monday you stated Lyon was the number 1 contender, now you say he missed his chance a month ago

And what about the other 200 she got wrong? Even a broken clock is right twice a day

 

[KohPhi]

Apparently one of the most misused terms in sport.

For all intensive purposes, you are correct.

 

[BlueJet]

And what about the other 200 she got wrong? Even a broken clock is right twice a day

Except she's right far more often that not..
With that I mind, I look forward to the instances where you're right.

 

[BlueJet]

Apparently one of the most misused terms in sport.

Journeyman is up there too..

Moneyball entered the lexicon in a similar manner to '<insert sport here> IQ' & 'quarterback', it was used referencing US sports and footy fans are determined to follow suit even if it doesn't fit.

 

[Arr0w]

And what about the other 200 she got wrong? Even a broken clock is right twice a day

Wasn't directed at Caro

 

[thylacine60]

And what about the other 200 she got wrong? Even a broken clock is right twice a day

this ridiculous stuff - I don't understand why people think every comment caro makes is her stating "this will or will not happen" use your intuition folk, she does

 

[gab213]

So can we rule out that MLG is B70?

Seems that Alf Brown retired from writing about Footy in 1979 when MLG would have been about 11 years old




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Oh wow, he finished up in 79? I knew it was a long time but that long? Damn. I was 18 then. I guess I would've started to read his column in the Herald around the time that was 11 or 12.

 

[Gethelred]

this ridiculous stuff - I don't understand why people think every comment caro makes is her stating "this will or will not happen" use your intuition folk, she does

You mean... Caroline Wilson doesn't know what I'm going to have for breakfast tomorrow?

A whole world opens for me...

 

[thylacine60]

You mean... Caroline Wilson doesn't know what I'm going to have for breakfast tomorrow?

A whole world opens for me...

I can't say for sure - and naturally I'm not here tp speak on her behalf, but I'd be staggered if she had the faintest idea........she believes it may be cereal.....

 

[myblueroan]

I can't say for sure - and naturally I'm not here tp speak on her behalf, but I'd be staggered if she had the faintest idea........she believes it may be cereal.....

That's her understanding then?

 

[TheReal99prelim]

Haha. Suck it up princess, you're in the wrong place if you don't want opinions, it's a forum ffs...

Sorry to disappoint you but it's not your opinion I give a flying shit about...the second line was directed at our recruiting team

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

This is a trap.

Liking the post puts you on the mods' list of posters too old to be offered another contract...

But if you’re “lucky“, you might get traded to the Cats board for a year or 2.

 

[Beyond Blue]

He's not a big tackler, averages 3 tackles a game, but goes through patches in which he'll lay two tackles in a month of footy (rounds 9 to 12).

Wasn't it Leppitsch who said that Richmond would never have drafted LOB because he was believed to be soft/outside/'Not a Richmond type', whatever that's supposed to mean? Their problem over the last six months hasn't been disposal quality but that they've tried to have a bob both ways; where once they were content to allow their opposition first possession in order to pressure that disposal (which meant that they had tickets later to go if they needed to) they now try to win the ball AND tackle like maniacs. It's why they've started to break down; you cannot play the way 2016 WB did with that level of tackling pressure week in week out without making some compromises elsewhere, and Richmond's was to let their opposition have first possession.

Cerra might go to Richmond, but he doesn't suit that 'Richmond player' mold either. He won't meet the minimums for pressure that they seek in a draftee, or at least that they used to seek.

Like the time they took Ben Lennon one pick ahead of Patrick Cripps. For me that another reason to pass on Leppitsch for any important role within our football department. He’d rather make an ill informed sound bite than say something insightful and knowledgeable.

 

[Blue_Steel89]

Just an appreciation post for all you Baggers in this forum.

The past 12-18 months I have started to feel more comfortable posting in here and chatting with you all (even though sometimes there are different points of view) and now find myself checking Bigfooty daily to catch up on the posts I have missed and to provide my little thoughts and opinions.

I love the humor, the passion, the kindness, the jokes. I love it all.

So again, thank you Bluebagger family #goblues

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Just an appreciation post for all you Baggers in this forum.

The past 12-18 months I have started to feel more comfortable posting in here and chatting with you all (even though sometimes there are different points of view) and now find myself checking Bigfooty daily to catch up on the posts I have missed and to provide my little thoughts and opinions.

I love the humor, the passion, the kindness, the jokes. I love it all.

So again, thank you Bluebagger family #goblues

Ahh, the sweet innocence of youth.

 

[Blue_Steel89]

Ahh, the sweet innocence of youth.

I'll take that I'm 32 but feel 100 some days

 

[blues4flag]

Where are my rumours at?

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

Where are my rumours at?

Chill out Tom Browne they're coming shortly

 

[CJMB]

Like the time they took Ben Lennon one pick ahead of Patrick Cripps. For me that another reason to pass on Leppitsch for any important role within our football department. He’d rather make an ill informed sound bite than say something insightful and knowledgeable.

You're blaming Justin Leppitsch for Richmond drafting Ben Lennon at the 2013 draft, about a couple of months after he'd signed on to coach Brisbane?... There's a slight timeline issue there.

Lennon requested a trade from Richmond 2 months before Leppa started there, and he was delisted at the end of the next season.

Justin Leppitsch - Wikipedia
Ben Lennon - Wikipedia

 

[Beyond Blue]

You're blaming Justin Leppitsch for Richmond drafting Ben Lennon at the 2013 draft, about a couple of months after he'd signed on to coach Brisbane?... There's a slight timeline issue there.

Lennon requested a trade from Richmond 2 months before Leppa started there, and he was delisted at the end of the next season.

Justin Leppitsch - Wikipedia
Ben Lennon - Wikipedia

Of course I'm not blaming him for the drafting of a player before his time, I just feel the comment on LOB was poor form from Lepptisch as all clubs (even successful ones) make trading and drafting mistakes.

Media performances like this make me query his judgment as they sound more like sound bites based superficial assessments on other clubs ad players he would know not very much about, rather than knowledgeable insights from a coach in waiting.