Bluemour Melting Pot XXV

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Bluemour Melting Pot XXVI

As per the Bluemour File OP, this is a thread for discussing Carlton related rumours. http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/bluemour-file.1085141/ Rumour posters should post their rumours in both threads for those that like just to read rumours and for those that like to have get lost in their...

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[Motsfan]

He’s exactly what Melbourne need, and keep an additional first rounder.

It would have to be a little tempting for them


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Give me Oliver over Treloar, much younger, more clever with the footy. Better first touch mid.


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[thylacine60]

So does Zac Williams


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Wait, what?

 

[djw1952]

bloody Gil McDouchebag! Sticking his big beak into our business.
There could be merit to what you’re saying. Very interesting point.

just frustrates the hell out of me that he’s fine with Cameron to Geelong. But wasn’t when it came to rabbit to the blues!

Don`t forget he also said nothing when the top team (tuggers) got the best young forward at the time (Lynch) from the bottom team the G.C. Suns.........Gils` silence was deafening on that occasion........

 

[I bleed Blue]

Would be amazing. Still need a mid though.

Get Papley and chuck Fish in the midfield.

He can do it. I'm so confident on him it's not funny. I think Cripps knows he can do it too.

 

[BlueTongue]

Treloar cannot hit a target inside 50, was going at 1 from 47 attempts at one stage last season.

Not sure quicker turnovers are any better than our slower ones.

If he gets it in before the OP has time to flood back our blokes have more time to recover it if it on the deck. But yeah, won't help in OP hands.

 

[agro]

If you're gonna reference them, you should probably be willing to present them.

There was an X Y graph that was posted here a month or so ago

Im sure there’s some Oliver Crangles with more technical savvy than me around here that can dig this post up.

The same ones that can dig up your quotes from months/years past.

 

[Jimmae]

List of players confirmed as exiting their clubs, or offered up but still listed:

Adelaide: Atkins, Crouch, Hartigan
Brisbane: Cox, Witherden
Collingwood: Treloar
Essendon: Saad, Daniher, Fantasia
Fremantle: Hogan
Gold Coast: Wright, Brodie
Geelong: Constable
GWS: Langdon, Williams, Cameron, Corr, Hately, Caldwell
Melbourne: Hannan
North Melbourne: Brown, Preuss, Higgins, Polec

So I'd be looking squarely at Caldwell and Crouch, but feel free to suggest other names I've missed.

 

[Juddrockz]

List of players confirmed as exiting their clubs, or offered up but still listed:

Adelaide: Atkins, Crouch, Hartigan
Brisbane: Cox, Witherden
Collingwood: Treloar
Essendon: Saad, Daniher, Fantasia
Fremantle: Hogan
Gold Coast: Wright, Brodie
Geelong: Constable
GWS: Langdon, Williams, Cameron, Corr, Hately, Caldwell
Melbourne: Hannan
North Melbourne: Brown, Preuss, Higgins, Polec

So I'd be looking squarely at Caldwell and Crouch, but feel free to suggest other names I've missed.

Take out the guys off to other clubs and its slim pickin's.

 

[Stamos]

But the way I see it is, if you are judging or analyzing a player, you would have to compare them to others on the list.

Let's randomly pick SPS.

Compare him to all players on the list, where would you rate him compared to others within our squad?

Alternatively, you could also compare a player with all the other players in a game.

So you could randomly pick SPS, and say that he's shit, and having a shit game. But when the coaches both rate him as the 2nd best on ground, you're going to look more than a bit mad.

Is that petty?

 

[katmanblue]

Treloar is a gun. He accumulates possessions, bursts away from stoppages, runs all day and is exactly what we need.

...then sprays the kick. No one misses more targets going inside F50 than Treloar.

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[Jimmae]

There was an X Y graph that was posted here a month or so ago

Im sure there’s some Oliver Crangles with more technical savvy than me around here that can dig this post up.

The same ones that can dig up your quotes from months/years past.

His 1-on-1 figures aren't ideal (and weren't at GWS either), but you need to factor in that he's played as a sort of Mr Fix-it, a guy who covers opponents that literally no one else in our defensive unit are capable of doing so any more. We tried with SPS (consistency of acceleration), Williamson (agility/balance against quicker opponents), Polson (concentration) and Simpson (aging), and we couldn't find a formula for the small defensive option that was consistent. That's where Saad comes in.

When you look at the kinds of players that share similar loss percentages, you'll notice Plowman is in the right range for his role, but his opponent is getting targeted a lot more: 2 to 3 times more, in fact. I suspect this is a combination of him getting to more contests to cover for others, but it's also reflective of an opposition focus on giving him a mismatch to exploit our defensive structure.

With him released from those duties a bit, it'll be interesting to see how he performs, but it also gives Marchbank a window back into the side as the skillset required better suits him.

 

[Jabba73]

Before we throw up the name of every player on the list as trade bait, who is volunteering to convince contracted players to go to * or the Dees while still making them feel valued when they tell you to **** off?

Anyone?

 

[katmanblue]

Give me Oliver over Treloar, much younger, more clever with the footy. Better first touch mid.


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Oliver divided by Treloar equals Hunter.

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[BlueBogan]

Honestly would only take saad and treloar from that list. We have enough fringe players.

List of players confirmed as exiting their clubs, or offered up but still listed:

Adelaide: Atkins, Crouch, Hartigan
Brisbane: Cox, Witherden
Collingwood: Treloar
Essendon: Saad, Daniher, Fantasia
Fremantle: Hogan
Gold Coast: Wright, Brodie
Geelong: Constable
GWS: Langdon, Williams, Cameron, Corr, Hately, Caldwell
Melbourne: Hannan
North Melbourne: Brown, Preuss, Higgins, Polec

So I'd be looking squarely at Caldwell and Crouch, but feel free to suggest other names I've missed.

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[HBF]

Plowman is just a no frills, no flash worker. He gets forgotten because he doesn't do anything that stands out, just quietly goes about his business. Rarely does he have a moment that wows you, but he'll do the things he's supposed to do 8/10 times.

Pretty fair summary that.

 

[Arr0w]

I don't see it exactly that way at all.
It's not about simply rating the best players but for the right spread of talent across all lines.

I recall a few years back we had Kreuzer, Hampson, Jacobs and Warnock on the list.
At that point in time all had claims to being the first picked ruck-man and for one reason or another and in our wisdom, Jacobs was the one we let go, only for it to come back and bite us.

We'll be confronted wth a similar situation with our young midfielders soon enough. Not all can be involved and all will have claims to be involved.
The trick will be to move on the right ones for the right reasons, at the right time.

Oh you mean how are we going to fit them all in? Best 22 players leaving to play their preferred role and be best 22 elsewhere?Let's not rehash that debate just yet

 

[Jimmae]

Take out the guys off to other clubs and its slim pickin's.

Take those out and the smokescreen claims don't make much sense aside from Wines, but he's not confirmed as likely to be on the move.

 

[BlueBogan]

Also wont get rid of the academy crap. All that system does is help interstate teams. Even bulldogs getting the number one draft pick after finishing in the 8 is beyond me.

Don`t forget he also said nothing when the top team (tuggers) got the best young forward at the time (Lynch) from the bottom team the G.C. Suns.........Gils` silence was deafening on that occasion........

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[BrownDog20]

So does Zac Williams


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No he doesn’t.
What info you got to back that up?

 

[Bee Vee]

Those draft picks that we saved by trading out Harry, maybe we could use them to trade in a replacement 200cm+ mobile CHF under the age of 23? Stack of them available every year right? That’s why no clubs have major issues around their tall forwards...

Who cares about other clubs. We're good for KPP, that's all I care about.

 

[BigFrizz36]

There was an X Y graph that was posted here a month or so ago

Im sure there’s some Oliver Crangles with more technical savvy than me around here that can dig this post up.

The same ones that can dig up your quotes from months/years past.

So what you are saying is that not only are we playing a defender with an "abysmal" one on one record, the vast majority of our supporters who think that he's a good player are myopic and even worse our coaching panel rated him the third best player in our club last year.

 

[Bee Vee]

So i take it you found out that harry has kicked more goals in his career at his current stage than Josh Kennedy, Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

36

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

and Tom Lynch had after 48 games.I hope like hell that our recruiting team are not as shallow should Oliver become available.

Nup. Not remotely interested in your "cherry picked stats"
Overall Hawkins was a far better player.

 

[HBF]

Are Essendon really paying 550K for Caldwell over 5 years?
Good on them if they've got it right, but that seems like a real stretch for unproven midfielder and someone that on face value, they didn't really need.

I wonder just how appealing Kennedy may yet be for them?
I just see him as being a part of our sell to Essendon. A late first and Kennedy for Saad seems pretty fair for all concerned, to me.

I don't get it either. Ben Brown

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Ben Brown

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

would have been ideal for them. Or a key back.

 

[Hands On]

Wolf Brothers?

Wolf Mother
big difference
wolf Brothers

 

[Gethelred]

we've got saad which actually internal code for oliver, so oliver has requested a trade however knowing this deal will absolutely not get done we're just using it as a smokescreen for treloar, however treloar wanting to leave is just necessary disinformation; he's not going anywhere, the real target is de goey, we signal our interest for de goey via smoke signal from ikon park on the first day of trade week, if de goey doesn't catch the smoke signal then we turn our intention back to oliver, and by oliver i mean saad as we reverse the codes.

so really we're just getting saad.

The rabbit hole goes that deep...