Bluemour Melting Pot XXXII - Reaching fever pitch! 🔥 🔥 🔥

[Wickzki]

You're a legend Wick. Straight out of the operating theatre and into the pre-granny stubbies.

Get on the beers boys....

IAS I don't need to be on the terps for this

 

[passmark]

Cripps and Docherty had a falling out with Teague and had big problems with him near the end

So Cripps decided to turn his toes up until they got rid of him.

This skipper did it to Bolts as well. Give it to Weitering. Him and Jones never drop their heads and they’re on the receiving end of our mids woeful efforts.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

I must admit I haven't watched cerra a lot but I saw him play Sydney when they won and Brayshaw was out he looked like a top line player that game with around half his possesion contested -- he is 4 years in front of any pick 6 in the draft maybe even 5-6 without the football these draftee have had ..Early talk was it was 650-700 also

 

[Metalcrusher]

So Cripps decided to turn his toes up until they got rid of him.

This skipper did it to Bolts as well. Give it to Weitering. Him and Jones never drop their heads and they’re on the receiving end of our mids woeful efforts.

Weiterbot. Fo Sho.

Won't happen unfortunately ...

 

[lily of laguna]

I'll put it this way:

The question should be, if we could trade pick 6 (+/- whatever extras), and pay $700-750k for any mid in the League who would be worth that trade/salary value, would we choose Cerra?

I think he's the wrong player for us to spend that much on now.

That cant be the metric that we use because we are not choosing between any midfielder in the comp. we are choosing from who is currently on the market.

You cant buy a second hand car this year based on cars that are not on the market.

I dont ever believe the dollar value suggested in the media and even if they are accurate in this case, we have no reliable info on the state of our salary cap and future spending ability.

I think the more apt question is, what can we get for pick 6 this year, in the draft or in other trades, and how does Cerra stack up with those options?

For me we will not be sacrificing the future of the list if we use out 1st pick on a 21 yr old, and Cerra will be immediately better than anything we get at 6 in the draft this year for our list needs right now and moving forward.

 

[Donstuie]

HUH? We got change back from Pick 8 for Saad.

Essendon wanted more than Pick 8 when it started.

We will not give anything more than Pick 6. Freo would know this.

I'd rather look forward than dwell on history, but I've never regarded a mid 3rd-round pick as anywhere near sufficient change for what we gave up last year (not to mention us upgrading their 5th round pick in a true WTAF move).

IMO we gave up too much for Saad who, like Cerra, was OOC, nominated us specifically (assuming the Cerra reports are true) and was open to the same threats of PSD that will no doubt be repeated again. Dodoro knew we had the power ("Pick 8 or GAGF") and didn't care, and we blinked for reasons that were linked to our image and 'brand'.

Bell and Walls will have studied those negotiations and will try to push some of those same buttons. Like Dodoro (and Cochrane, the year before) they will play this out in a media only too happy to paint us as villains and pressure us to "do the right thing", and turn this into a clown show, expecting Austin to cave again.

But that said, I'd be more than happy to be wrong, and hope that the renewed ruthlessness at the top of CFC will filter to our negotiations. Liddle's PR is out, and Cook's acumen is in. But I would be very surprised if it were as simple as you think it will be.

 

[thylacine60]

I must admit I haven't watched cerra a lot but I saw him play Sydney when they won and Brayshaw was out he looked like a top line player that game with around half his possesion contested -- he is 4 years in front of any pick 6 in the draft maybe even 5-6 without the football these draftee have had ..Early talk was it was 650-700 also

anyone have cerra's averages?

 

[klompy]

So Cripps decided to turn his toes up until they got rid of him.

This skipper did it to Bolts as well. Give it to Weitering. Him and Jones never drop their heads and they’re on the receiving end of our mids woeful efforts.

We know a partner of the one of the players, and they are far from complimentary on Crippa which surprises me. They say he is divisive and duplicitous. There's always two sides to every story, so it certainly doesn't condemn him. But the Captain needs to be a unifying and inspiring figure whoever it is.

 

[mjonc43]

Petreccelle is worth a rookie pick at best. I’d rather Gary Rohan

23

Gary Rohan

Age

33

Ht

189cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.2

5star

G

1.2

4star

, and he is the biggest go missing player in the AFL.


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[thylacine60]

I'd rather look forward than dwell on history, but I've never regarded a mid 3rd-round pick as anywhere near sufficient for what we gave up last year (not to mention us upgrading their 5th round pick in a true WTAF move).

IMO we gave up too much for Saad who, like Cerra, was OOC, nominated us specifically (assuming the Cerra reports are true) and was open to the same threats of PSD that will no doubt be repeated again. Dodoro knew we had the power ("Pick 8 or GAGF") and didn't care, and we blinked for reasons that were linked to our image and 'brand'.

Bell and Walls will have studied those negotiations and will try to push some of those same buttons. Like Dodoro (and Cochrane, the year before) they will play this out in a media only too happy to paint us as villains and pressure us to "do the right thing", and turn this into a clown show, expecting Austin to cave again.

But that said, I'd be more than happy to be wrong, and hope that the renewed ruthlessness at the top of CFC will filter to our negotiations. Liddle's PR is out, and Cook's acumen is in. But I would be very surprised if it were as simple as you think it will be.

love it

 

[Garters]

If he helps the dogs today could be like Boyd - will be all worth it .. treloar and he have similar issues ..

Listened to Tom Boyd being interviewed somewhere couple of weeks ago. Smart, articulate guy. Was quite surprised by his take on things. Interesting character. That goal of his in 2016 has etched his short career into the history books.

 

[Blue and Blue]

So Cripps decided to turn his toes up until they got rid of him.

This skipper did it to Bolts as well. Give it to Weitering. Him and Jones never drop their heads and they’re on the receiving end of our mids woeful efforts.

What nonsense about Cripps. As if any player in any team would survive such behaviour.

But I agree on Weitering.

 

[juzza316]

Absolute sensational get is Cerra. Hopefully also sparks Dow to go to another level given they are from the same draft class and he was 2 picks after Dow.

 

[Navy_Blueblood]

I think it is, my point is you shouldn't throw big contracts at players just because they're available.
You need to be more targeted than that.
And just because you can afford the fair price of a good player doesn't mean you should pay it if they aren't the best fit for your needs.

We agree on the key part which is your last statement.

On your first statement - I think that depends on your point of view as to whether you think a significant contract offer is being made 'just because they're available'. Personally I am happy to occasionally over pay but only if it fits our cap strategy and the player is worth it, especially in light of list needs. Cerra supporters think it is. You don't think it is. That's ok.

For what it's worth, i'm not the biggest Cerra fan but I do think a suitable trade can get done here. Our midfield is a big issue, including the wings. Happy to bring in a quality midfielder at the mooted cost as long our cap position is under control

 

[thylacine60]

We know a partner of the one of the players, and they are far from complimentary on Crippa which surprises me. They say he is divisive and duplicitous. There's always two sides to every story, so it certainly doesn't condemn him. But the Captain needs to be a unifying and inspiring figure whoever it is.

do you really need others to tell you how lame this sort of stuff sounds?

 

[myblueroan]

Well it's not me and I'm not Sam MacLure like I've been PM'd and asked a number of times now.

At least they didn't think you were Sam Edmund.

 

[BlueTongue]

I think it is, my point is you shouldn't throw big contracts at players just because they're available.
You need to be more targeted than that.
And just because you can afford the fair price of a good player doesn't mean you should pay it if they aren't the best fit for your needs.

100%. The club has a bad (old) habit of opening up the check book and going after (and paying overs) for the biggest name that pops up at the time. I think a lot of it is about making the club look like the ultimate destination, rather than recruiting for needs.

Whereas if you look like the top sides who have been successful for a few years in a row, they seem to identify targets who are gettable at other clubs, not necessarily the top players, but players who compliment the team and are address a deficiency, for a lot less cash.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Our midfield has talent, but has performed poorly over the last few years due to a combination of poor coaching, development, and injury.
We'd be better off giving that talent a go under the new regime, and being able to accurately assess them, rather than tying up a large chunk of future salary cap on good but not great player who doesn't have the ideal attributes that we're lacking.

So knock back a potentially elite player send the same crew out out that has failed as a crew previously in the hope that they might not fail us again?

Intriguing plan.

Here's a chance to immediately make us better by a fair bit. We have people who deal with the salary cap who believe that we gave the capacity to afford Cerra and as a result we went out to try and convince him to join us.

If Cripps gets back to his best next year, which I believe that he will, then cerra will be our third best midfielder straight away.

 

[GoBlues!]

I'll put it this way:

The question should be, if we could trade pick 6 (+/- whatever extras), and pay $700-750k for any mid in the League who would be worth that trade/salary value, would we choose Cerra?

I think he's the wrong player for us to spend that much on now.

Stamos do you know of any quality players who are the right type for us and available this year, instead of Cerra?

 

[Hands On]

Great, have to deal with Bell. There goes our whole trade week. Should just tell him to walk to the National.

SOS wold have rung his Bell. Ding-Dong Ding-aling. Reminds me of the disco days Phantoms in Moonee ponds, Il fortino in Footscray and Mickeys on the Esplanade. Hated the music but had to follow the heard in the hope of culling 1 or 2.

 

[klompy]

do you really need others to tell you how lame this sort of stuff sounds?

Well I've never read a post from you that is worth the light of the day, so i figured it what's done on this forum

 

[Mondyboy]

I'll put it this way:

The question should be, if we could trade pick 6 (+/- whatever extras), and pay $700-750k for any mid in the League who would be worth that trade/salary value, would we choose Cerra?

I think he's the wrong player for us to spend that much on now.

I think Cerra’s a very good player and I can see him fitting in to our midfield (he does offer something a little different). But our recent track record in this space has been not very good and I’m a bit gun shy in investing all that money in one player who may not deliver.

Having said our player development has also been garbage. The fact that a recent pick 6 in our team is going to garner us - if we’re lucky - a late second rounder is testament to that.

Basically, neither taking pick 6 to the draft or getting a Cerra fills me with confidence.

This club has broken me.


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[thylacine60]

Well I've never read a post from you that is worth the light of the day, so i figured it what's done on this forum

I'm shattered not to be considered as important a resource as "a player's partner".........

 

[therubbernub]

Petreccelle is worth a rookie pick at best. I’d rather Gary Rohan, and he is the biggest go missing player in the AFL.


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and then there's Mitch..

 

[Metalcrusher]

and then there's Mitch..

Hard to make him go missing .. its like losing South America off the map FFS.