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madrigal said:
Phobias aren't a choice. You can treat people decently regardless.
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Yeah homophobia isn’t a phobia like arachnophobia or agoraphobia or acrophobia, those are irrational uncontrollable fears. Who’s afraid of gay people? Are they gonna zap you and then you’ll be gay too?

Homophobia is being a campaigner for the sake of it. Anything that causes you to devalue another human being for something they literally have no control over like their race, skin colour, disability or sexual preference (provided this is within the bounds of both parties’ informed consent not for kids/animals/whatever) is not a phobia, that’s called being a campaigner. Don’t be a campaigner, simple.
 

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tandino said:
I don't know if the whatabouts can be dismissed that easily. The first paragraph seems to contradict the second.

If his views as a Christian are diametrically opposed to the organisation, and "he can't expect to hold a senior position at an organisation" then it sets a standard where others can be judged against accordingly.
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If you're in that boat and hoping for a senior position you better be able to articulate very quickly and effectively how you can believe that garbage and be inclusive in all your actions.

The CEO role isn't front desk reception. It's the boss of the club and you get paid a mill to do it. You need to fit the role, the role doesn't need to fit you.
 
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What a wild ride Barham's tenure has been, I think the score would be 6-4 with a couple of pretty big own-goals.

The good:

  • Moved Rutten on
  • Advocated for a proper external review and is currently delivering it with EY
  • Cleaned out the unaligned board members for a 'united board'
  • Removed Campbell even though he had recently signed the two year extension
  • Followed an actual process to appoint Brad Scott
  • The quick removal of Thorburn - does this count if Barham created the mess in the first place?

The bad:

  • The incredibly unprofessional way in which Rutten was removed
  • The failed Clarko bid at the 11th hour
  • Defends Sheedy's questionable antics
  • The no-process appointment of the CEO prior to the completion of the external review - like seriously why wouldn't you wait for the review to be complete?


What have I missed?
 
madrigal said:
Lots of people and that it can be transmitted is not a belief that is completely absent in society, especially those struggling with their closeted feelings may be afraid.
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Yeah but it’s ****ing nonsense mate and spare me the I hate gays because I am one thing, that’s just being weak minded especially in a free and inclusive society like we have here.
 

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Saint said:
If he was advocating wife beating or slavery (also literal interpretations of the bible) or stoning adulterers would we be having this conversation?
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No, because then his actual comments and actions would be demonstrated to be exclusionary. Which is the polar opposite of any public comment or action I could find. In his case every action he did as part of NAB was quite inclusive.
Saint said:
Society has moved on from tolerating certain types of poor behaviour.
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Sure. What poor behaviour was he demonstrating?

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It sounds like you've just drawn the line in a different place than I have.
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Yes, I’ve drawn the line at people being allowed to believe what they want so long as it doesn’t impact upon others. Which appeared that Thorburn - unlike a number of posters here - could be professional and keep any personal views out of his work.

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Don't pretend your morals don't have any impact on the way you view people.
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Not sure of the relevance of this beyond a weird personal attack?

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He's the head of a homophobic organisation, that's an action and a statement.
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He’s not the head of a religious organisation, that’s incredibly misleading to say.
 
tandino said:
I don't know if the whatabouts can be dismissed that easily. The first paragraph seems to contradict the second.

If his views as a Christian are diametrically opposed to the organisation, and "he can't expect to hold a senior position at an organisation" then it sets a standard where others can be judged against accordingly.
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I see where you’re coming from, but disagree on a couple of points.

Firstly, I did say ‘publicly’. If you hold views (be they homophobic or hardline anti-abortion) that you know pretty clearly go against contemporary community expectation, you’d do well to keep that to yourself.

Secondly, being a follower of a religion doesn’t mean you hold those abhorrent views, even if the religion does officially espouse them. For example, over 60% of Australians voted for marriage equality, yet only 38% of Australians identify as ‘not religious’. Belief within a religion is a wide spectrum.

Like it or not, there are views and values that once were but are no longer acceptable in mainstream society. If you choose to be publicly identifiable holding those views, you’re going to struggle in a lot of situations and your employment is just one of those.

But nobody has the right to assume you hold those views simply by the virtue of being religious. So the ‘what about if he was a Muslim’ comments are misguided.


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Bowakawa said:
Not really seeing the abortion side mentioned very much.

His church wants to outlaw abortion even in the circumstances of r*pe and incest and equates it to murder.

You can cry out ‘respect people’s views’ however much you want - but views like this are cruel, archaic and have no place in modern society.
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Yeah that shit would not fly with the AFLW side in particular I'd imagine.

madrigal said:
An inclusive society would have a place for those of low intelligence and weak minded.
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Fortunately, as an inclusive society we have just such a place: North Melbourne Kangaroos
 
Seagrave_Holmes said:
What a wild ride Barham's tenure has been, I think the score would be 6-4 with a couple of pretty big own-goals.

The good:


  • Advocated for a proper external review and is currently delivering it with EY
  • Cleaned out the unaligned board members for a 'united board'



What have I missed?
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1) Is it really external when its being run by Barham then-private captain's pick for CEO? Remember, Barham was very specific that the review would be looking at the board level too, how is it appropriate for Thorburn to be involved in that while also being the under-the-table CEO-elect?

2) Sheedy is very loudly still there. Say what you will abut those who back Rutten resigning but they at least kept their reservations private while Sheedy ran to the media to air his dirty laundry.
 
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P Money said:
I see where you’re coming from, but disagree on a couple of points.

Firstly, I did say ‘publicly’. If you hold views (be they homophobic or hardline anti-abortion) that you know pretty clearly go against contemporary community expectation, you’d do well to keep that to yourself.

Secondly, being a follower of a religion doesn’t mean you hold those abhorrent views, even if the religion does officially espouse them. For example, over 60% of Australians voted for marriage equality, yet only 38% of Australians identify as ‘not religious’. Belief within a religion is a wide spectrum.

Like it or not, there are views and values that once were but are no longer acceptable in mainstream society. If you choose to be publicly identifiable holding those views, you’re going to struggle in a lot of situations and your employment is just one of those.

But nobody has the right to assume you hold those views simply by the virtue of being religious. So the ‘what about if he was a Muslim’ comments are misguided.


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Being on the board of a church that explicitly espouses those views is a bit different to broadly identifying as 'christian'. For example I know a couple of people who are most definitely Christians but refuse to attend church because of the way the church hierarchy treats women.
 

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