Club Mgmt. Board of Directors as led by President Dave Barham

Remove this Banner Ad

 
Last edited:
The entire league is propped up by online gambling companies. The league is effectively filtering their dirty funds to all clubs who receive any income at all from the league.

I dislike pokies, but selling the licences off won't do anything meaningful to what is a far bigger problem for the whole league.
 
ant555 said:
I am not a pokies fan. Could not care less if they all vanished tomorrow. Do not play them and they are an addiction to a lot of people .Yes they do cause some serious DV issues but so does alcohol . I like a couple of drinks here and there so I am not a non drinker but i would say that if you are making a stand against pokies because of the DV issues then you have to be standing on the same soap box for alcohol which causes DV issues , health issues , untold issues in Indigenous communities and death and injury on the roads and in the streets though drunken violence.
Click to expand...

eh I think the idea that you have to take a perfect stand against everything, or do nothing at all is a bit of a furphy.

Doing something is better than doing nothing even if that something isn't the perfect solution.
 

Log in to remove this ad.

faible said:
eh I think the idea that you have to take a perfect stand against everything, or do nothing at all is a bit of a furphy.

Doing something is better than doing nothing even if that something isn't the perfect solution.
Click to expand...
I agree in principle with this.

Perfect isn't an option in this scenario. However we cannot remove a revenue stream when all it will mean is we are trading an evil revenue stream we own for an evil revenue stream we don't own (league subsidies).

Make no mistake; online gambling companies are using our sport to farm and spawn camp our youth - this will be the next major crisis amongst young people imo. The league is not only aware of it, they are complicit in it.
 
Corleone said:
I agree in principle with this.

Perfect isn't an option in this scenario. However we cannot remove a revenue stream when all it will mean is we are trading an evil revenue stream we own for an evil revenue stream we don't own (league subsidies).

Make no mistake; online gambling companies are using our sport to farm and spawn camp our youth - this will be the next major crisis amongst young people imo. The league is not only aware of it, they are complicit in it.
Click to expand...

Oh I fully agree sports betting is a major issue as well. The greyhound racing only still exists because betting companies want it to be so.
 
faible said:
Pokies are linked to higher rates of DV. If you want the club to support that, then go for it.

www.sciencedirect.com

The relationship between electronic gaming machine accessibility and police-recorded domestic violence: A spatio-temporal analysis of 654 postcodes in Victoria, Australia, 2005–2014

An emerging body of research has documented an association between problem gambling and domestic violence in a range of study populations and location…
www.sciencedirect.com www.sciencedirect.com

impact.monash.edu

Too close to home: The closer the pokies venue, the greater the loss | IMPACT: Monash Business School

Living close to a gaming venue increases the likelihood that you will gamble, go bankrupt or experience poor mental health.
impact.monash.edu impact.monash.edu

That Pokies cause harm is well known, has been for quite a while.
Click to expand...
But it's kind of the age old question of causation and correlation, isn't it?
Do Pokies cause people to commit DV, or are perpertators of DV more likely to be gambling addicts?
 
Online gambling and poker machine gambling are different beasts, and from the perspective of a football club there is a further distinction to be made between online betting on AFL games (and associated stats) versus greyhounds, trots, horses, steeplechase etc.

The league gets a heap of kickbacks for online betting advertised during broadcasts and on AFL and club websites via the match centre.

As a league we also take money from alcohol advertising, but is there a difference between slab prices on beer and an expensive limited edition bottle of wine?

The club makes a heap of profit from poker machines and the venues we own and operate also serve alcohol.

Which is more insidious? Where do we want the club to get its money from? They can jack up membership costs but we don’t like that either.
 
ant555 said:
I am not a pokies fan. Could not care less if they all vanished tomorrow. Do not play them and they are an addiction to a lot of people .Yes they do cause some serious DV issues but so does alcohol . I like a couple of drinks here and there so I am not a non drinker but i would say that if you are making a stand against pokies because of the DV issues then you have to be standing on the same soap box for alcohol which causes DV issues , health issues , untold issues in Indigenous communities and death and injury on the roads and in the streets though drunken violence.

My view is "if" they are going to be legal then they should only be at the horse and greyhound racing venues as they are an industry that runs of gambling profit and they should only be operating from 12pm - 7pm or 10pm if they are at a racing venue that has a night meeting on that day. They can also be in the casinos. They should not be in clubs and pubs in nearly every suburb of Melbourne.

They will never be banned as Governments love the tax they return.
Click to expand...
DV is not the only issue with pokies
 
Last edited:
The game is rigged with pokies, it preys on the most vulnerable/gullible in the community and is designed to be highly addictive.
I don't gamble at all but other forms of gambling at least require some form of knowledge/skill and have reasonable probability of winning.
 
faible said:
eh I think the idea that you have to take a perfect stand against everything, or do nothing at all is a bit of a furphy.

Doing something is better than doing nothing even if that something isn't the perfect solution.
Click to expand...
I just do not think you can stand on a soap box and yell DV issues and not want all the causes to be looked at. It is selective. It is like feeling warm and fuzzy about your football club selling off the pokies to someone else. The problem is still there. It is just being run by someone else. It is not about taking a perfect stance.
 
Maxabillions said:
DV is not the only issue with pokies
Click to expand...
DV is not the only issue with Alcohol abuse. I am not pro pokies. I just think there is a bit of hypocrisy around the reasons why they should be banned.
 
Selling all our pokie machines to reduce social harm would be like selling all your nuclear weapons because you want world peace.

I think it is now the clubs responsibility to maintain our allocation and remove the harm done, selling the licenses to reinvest in something else is a cynical exercise to appease external expectations.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Pokies are shit but as long as they're legal (they shouldn't be) we may as well make cash.
 
faible said:
Pokies are linked to higher rates of DV. If you want the club to support that, then go for it.

www.sciencedirect.com

The relationship between electronic gaming machine accessibility and police-recorded domestic violence: A spatio-temporal analysis of 654 postcodes in Victoria, Australia, 2005–2014

An emerging body of research has documented an association between problem gambling and domestic violence in a range of study populations and location…
www.sciencedirect.com www.sciencedirect.com

impact.monash.edu

Too close to home: The closer the pokies venue, the greater the loss | IMPACT: Monash Business School

Living close to a gaming venue increases the likelihood that you will gamble, go bankrupt or experience poor mental health.
impact.monash.edu impact.monash.edu

That Pokies cause harm is well known, has been for quite a while.
Click to expand...
something something millenials
 
Apologies for the intrusion, but I had a look at this thread to see what the reaction would be to Allan Hird's latest missive (which appears not to have been posted);
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...ws-story/2954e671a477a944d7584a7cab98eb44?amp (paywalled).

Given the election of Solomon to the EFC Board, I thought it interesting that AH has come out from the bunker, at this time, to lash Barham.

Some quotes;

The other essential ingredient the club had in the ‘80s and ‘90s was Kevin Sheedy. Sheedy was a coach with a fierce desire to win and he picked players who wanted to win and who had a go.

The Essendon Football Club does have a past and its past pre-dates the AFL and the David Barham regime. Does it have a future?

“What we are doing here is generational change. We are resetting this club so we can experience long-term sustainable success by putting in people, program and systems that will enable that,” Barham said.

Pure sludge and the sort of rubbish that used to be served up by the bosses when I worked in the public service: generational change, sustainable success, programs and systems. It’s just jargon from Mr Barham. How about he tell us what has been achieved since he took over the club a couple of years ago?

There is a lot the Essendon of today can learn from the Sheedy years..... Don’t give the club programs and systems Mr Barham. Expect the playing group and the coach to have a passion to succeed like the players in the ‘80s, ‘90s and 2000s had.

Some thoughts did come to mind, but since I'm on an oppo's board I shall remain quiet, except to say (I would think uncontroversially) that re-living the J. Hird, Sheedy, Solomon glory days is not the way forward.
 
hairy biker said:
Apologies for the intrusion, but I had a look at this thread to see what the reaction would be to Allan Hird's latest missive (which appears not to have been posted);
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...ws-story/2954e671a477a944d7584a7cab98eb44?amp (paywalled).

Given the election of Solomon to the EFC Board, I thought it interesting that AH has come out from the bunker, at this time, to lash Barham.

Some quotes;

The other essential ingredient the club had in the ‘80s and ‘90s was Kevin Sheedy. Sheedy was a coach with a fierce desire to win and he picked players who wanted to win and who had a go.

The Essendon Football Club does have a past and its past pre-dates the AFL and the David Barham regime. Does it have a future?

“What we are doing here is generational change. We are resetting this club so we can experience long-term sustainable success by putting in people, program and systems that will enable that,” Barham said.

Pure sludge and the sort of rubbish that used to be served up by the bosses when I worked in the public service: generational change, sustainable success, programs and systems. It’s just jargon from Mr Barham. How about he tell us what has been achieved since he took over the club a couple of years ago?

There is a lot the Essendon of today can learn from the Sheedy years..... Don’t give the club programs and systems Mr Barham. Expect the playing group and the coach to have a passion to succeed like the players in the ‘80s, ‘90s and 2000s had.

Some thoughts did come to mind, but since I'm on an oppo's board I shall remain quiet, except to say (I would think uncontroversially) that re-living the J. Hird, Sheedy, Solomon glory days is not the way forward.
Click to expand...
Have a gander at this thread. I think you'll find most are in agreement with you.
 
hairy biker said:
Don’t give the club programs and systems Mr Barham. Expect the playing group and the coach to have a passion to succeed like the players in the ‘80s, ‘90s and 2000s had.
Click to expand...

Allan Hird can take his lack of programs and systems and shove them where the sun don’t shine.
 
crackers65 said:
Hairy biker, go back to your own board. I have no idea what you are talking about. Can anyone please translate?
Click to expand...
He was fine. Pull your head in.

Allan Hird posted an article bemoaning the lack of success over the past three years, blamed Barham for it and basically said we should have elected Barham and Weston cos then Scott would be fired and his son appointed
 
Odd family the hirds. The old boy just randomly pops up from time to time in the herald sun when slobbo wants a rest from potting Essendon officials.They must be back on speaking terms after many years father and son, had a long running feud which pre-dates the drug thingy that his son helped orchestrate to completely blow our club up.
 
hairy biker said:
Apologies for the intrusion, but I had a look at this thread to see what the reaction would be to Allan Hird's latest missive (which appears not to have been posted);
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...ws-story/2954e671a477a944d7584a7cab98eb44?amp (paywalled).

Given the election of Solomon to the EFC Board, I thought it interesting that AH has come out from the bunker, at this time, to lash Barham.

Some quotes;

The other essential ingredient the club had in the ‘80s and ‘90s was Kevin Sheedy. Sheedy was a coach with a fierce desire to win and he picked players who wanted to win and who had a go.

The Essendon Football Club does have a past and its past pre-dates the AFL and the David Barham regime. Does it have a future?

“What we are doing here is generational change. We are resetting this club so we can experience long-term sustainable success by putting in people, program and systems that will enable that,” Barham said.

Pure sludge and the sort of rubbish that used to be served up by the bosses when I worked in the public service: generational change, sustainable success, programs and systems. It’s just jargon from Mr Barham. How about he tell us what has been achieved since he took over the club a couple of years ago?

There is a lot the Essendon of today can learn from the Sheedy years..... Don’t give the club programs and systems Mr Barham. Expect the playing group and the coach to have a passion to succeed like the players in the ‘80s, ‘90s and 2000s had.

Some thoughts did come to mind, but since I'm on an oppo's board I shall remain quiet, except to say (I would think uncontroversially) that re-living the J. Hird, Sheedy, Solomon glory days is not the way forward.
Click to expand...

Just incase there was any “Hire Hird” fans left, this article should take care of that thought
 

Remove this Banner Ad

Club Mgmt. Board of Directors as led by President Dave Barham

Similar threads

Lore
  • Sticky
  • Poll
Win Prizes The Scales 2024 Essendon Board Poster of the Year - Congratulations Bonce!
Replies
19
Views
1K
Beerfish
Beerfish
Lore
  • Locked
Win Prizes The Scales 2024 Essendon Board Poster Of The Year - Nomination Thread
Replies
18
Views
863
Lore
Lore
BrunoV
Win Prizes The Essendon Board Talks 9/11
2 3 4 5
Replies
100
Views
2K
Kong
Kong
VelvetSledge
  • Locked
MVP 2024 BigFooty Essendon Board POTY Award - ZACH MERRETT wins again!
Replies
24
Views
3K
VelvetSledge
VelvetSledge
Lore
Mod. Notice Welcome Nuggs Bunny, new Essendon board mod!
Replies
13
Views
1K
Vindicater
Vindicater
Sporno 4 Pyros
Sport The Essendon Board’s Paris 2024 Olympics Thread
2 3
Replies
63
Views
2K
Sporno 4 Pyros
Sporno 4 Pyros
Nuggs Bunny
Competitions 2024 Essendon Board My Boy Draft - Round 2 now started
4 5 6 7 8
Replies
191
Views
7K
doug85
doug85

Remove this Banner Ad

Back
Top