Broughton -- the new Shane Parker

[Reasonable]

thats true, but john coleman and polly farmer wouldnt get a kick either, the times have changed but you can only judge them on what they did at the time.... comparing them to todays game is like apples and oranges

Can you please stop mentioning greats of the game when talking about Parker.

It's very disrespectful.

 

[silverscope]

thats true, but john coleman and polly farmer wouldnt get a kick either, the times have changed but you can only judge them on what they did at the time.... comparing them to todays game is like apples and oranges

Thats what i was trying to point out by bringing up the fact the game has changed. Obviously didnt come out that way

 

[E Shed]

Can you please stop mentioning greats of the game when talking about Parker.

It's very disrespectful.

Can you please stop being sarcastic and condescending when talking about one of the great servants of the Fremantle Football Club

It's very disrespectful.

 

[BenjiXXX]

this thread sure got off topic...

 

[23cmonShane!]

Please don't put Broughton in the same sentence as Shane. Broughton is Broughton.

Shane may have probably been the club's best ever club man and a very hard trainer (attributes I hope Broughton takes on board), but quite simply Shane was (and still is) the WORST decision maker (under pressure or not) the AFL has ever seen and to say Broughton may be the new Shane Parker sends shivers of terror down my spine. Quite simply the most over rated under rated player to play the game.

I think too many people have this nostalgic idea of how "good" Shane and players of his ilk were. This show of "worship" for such players is typical of why our club and a lot of our members have always put up with mediocrity in the past. We must draw a line in the sand now.

 

[Reasonable]

Viva

 

[UpTheGuts]

sheesh - just came to the board to check out this Broughton bloke. Now Im an expert on Dustin Fletcher, Hodge, Shane Parker and all sorts of stuff. Kewl.

So consensus at FFC is that Greg goes OK, I presume, and will play a bunch (more than Suban?)?

Have a good year.

 

[masai]

I think too many people have this nostalgic idea of how "good" Shane and players of his ilk were. This show of "worship" for such players is typical of why our club and a lot of our members have always put up with mediocrity in the past. We must draw a line in the sand now.

David Muir, Daniel Parker, Brendon Retzlaff, Clinton Wulff, Neil Mildenhall ............. ever heard of them, they are the type of players we draw the line on. They were mediocre.

If you can't appreciate Shane for what he gave Freo, geez you are hard task masters. He wasn't the best player, but his 100% was far better than 99% of players who have represented Freo. Take aim at that other 99%.

 

[bigkev bleeds purple]

sheesh - just came to the board to check out this Broughton bloke. Now Im an expert on Dustin Fletcher, Hodge, Shane Parker and all sorts of stuff. Kewl.

So consensus at FFC is that Greg goes OK, I presume, and will play a bunch (more than Suban?)?

Have a good year.

Yeah, funny how that happens. Despite this thread being started with good intentions, most of the posts since then have been so bad I think they gave me cancer.

Greg Broughton seems like he will go alright and I think he will play round one. It's likely he will have a few weeks to prove himself, from there we can't really say.

 

[ImperialPurple]

David Muir, Daniel Parker, Brendon Retzlaff, Clinton Wulff, Neil Mildenhall ............. ever heard of them, they are the type of players we draw the line on. They were mediocre.

If you can't appreciate Shane for what he gave Freo, geez you are hard task masters. He wasn't the best player, but his 100% was far better than 99% of players who have represented Freo. Take aim at that other 99%.

Geez that's a bit generous masai. Those blokes didn't even reach the heady heights of mediocre...

 

[Butane]

Gilbee is not a backman persay. You list some traditional full backs, then you list midfielding backmen like Gilbee, Hodge etc who play the rebounding role and are not defenders.

Sorry but Gilbee is a defender. It's unfortunate for him that he's also one of the best kicks in the game and people just assume he's a rebounder because of that.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

David Muir, Daniel Parker, Brendon Retzlaff, Clinton Wulff, Neil Mildenhall ............. ever heard of them, they are the type of players we draw the line on. They were mediocre.

If you can't appreciate Shane for what he gave Freo, geez you are hard task masters. He wasn't the best player, but his 100% was far better than 99% of players who have represented Freo. Take aim at that other 99%.

Geez that's a bit generous masai. Those blokes didn't even reach the heady heights of mediocre...

Indeed. By my reckoning, we've had 135 players actually play a game of AFL for Freo. Of those, exactly two (Parker and McManus) have played over 200 games for us.

Pav is due to play his 200th in the Round 6 Derby this year.

Only 7 have played 150 games or more. (Grover the purple muppett is due to bring up his 150th in Round 4 against the Sainters at Docklands).

We have only 20 players that have played 100 games or more for us, and only 7 of those are still playing (Pav 194, Hase 166, Groves 146, Elvis 121, Sandipants 115, Scham 105 and Dessie 100).

Even if a player doesn't have the greatest skills or athletic ability (and IMHO Parker at his peak was a reasonable athlete, fast for his size with a decent punch), longevity has to count for a fair bit.

Yes, players like JLo, Troy Simmonds or James Clement could, depending on one's view, be said to be more accurate kicks, better marks or more "elite" players - but none of them played 238 games for us.

Once we get 50+ 200 game players, maybe Parks won't have quite the stature about the place that he does now. But I'll always rate him, and he'll always be the first to have played 230+ games for us - and no-one slagging him off on here can change that.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Please don't put Broughton in the same sentence as Shane. Broughton is Broughton.

Shane may have probably been the club's best ever club man and a very hard trainer (attributes I hope Broughton takes on board), but quite simply Shane was (and still is) the WORST decision maker (under pressure or not) the AFL has ever seen and to say Broughton may be the new Shane Parker sends shivers of terror down my spine. Quite simply the most over rated under rated player to play the game.

I think too many people have this nostalgic idea of how "good" Shane and players of his ilk were. This show of "worship" for such players is typical of why our club and a lot of our members have always put up with mediocrity in the past. We must draw a line in the sand now.

Bollocks. All of it. The worst decision maker in the AFL is Byron Schammer and then daylight. The leap in logic that some of us think Parker was an excellent defender and we are therefore accepting of mediocrity is flawed. One doesn't follow the other.

Call me nostalgic but I was in the stands when I saw Parker towel up Mathew Lloyd, or watching on TV when he drove Richo mad with frustration. Parker usually had to play completely out of his weight division yet he could hold a Matera or take a Fraser Gehrig. He did this with a very high level of consistency.

Shane Parker was no Dustin Fletcher, but he was way above average.