Brown wants out!

[aussierulesrules]

What about this then, (from Saintsrfreak), or something along these lines?​

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St Kilda Lose: Cripps and pick 24. Gain: Brown and pick 33​

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Essendon Lose: Pears/Hooker and pick 33. Gain: Stevens and pick 24​

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West Coast Lose: Brown, Stevens. Gain: Cripps and Pears/Hooker​

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All 3 clubs could come out of a deal like that happy and all of Brown, Cripps, Stevens and Hooker/Pears get to go back to their home states. Potentially 7 happy parties right there. ​

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If Brown still wants to leave after discussions with vozzo, would you West Coast supporters accept this?

Getting close I think.

Not a great deal for the Dons though. If they kept 33 it'd be OK.

 

[eaglenut]

If Brown still wants to leave after discussions with vozzo, would you West Coast supporters accept this?

nope brown for 13 and Andreoli stevens to dogs ,bombers,or you guys for cripps just about right imo

 

[aussierulesrules]

nope brown for 13 and Andreoli stevens to dogs ,bombers,or you guys for cripps just about right imo

So in that scenario we'd be giving you pick 13, Cripps and Andreoli for Brown? That is the most outrageous thing I've heard in days and that is in spite of hearing all Gold Coast's demands for Caddy, Hickey and Toy!

 

[swannies]

What about this then, (from Saintsrfreak), or something along these lines?​

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St Kilda Lose: Cripps and pick 24. Gain: Brown and pick 33​

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Essendon Lose: Pears/Hooker and pick 33. Gain: Stevens and pick 24​

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West Coast Lose: Brown, Stevens. Gain: Cripps and Pears/Hooker​

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All 3 clubs could come out of a deal like that happy and all of Brown, Cripps, Stevens and Hooker/Pears get to go back to their home states. Potentially 7 happy parties right there. ​

Nope, any deal that may eventually involve Brown will cost you pick 13, you will not keep it if Brown is involved.

 

[eaglenut]

So in that scenario we'd be giving you pick 13, Cripps and Andreoli for Brown? That is the most outrageous thing I've heard in days and that is in spite of hearing all Gold Coast's demands for Caddy, Hickey and Toy!

no brown equals 13 and anderoli .Cripps for what ever pick we get for stevens done

 

[eaglenut]

don't think pick 13 by itself wont get the deal done ,but throwing in a young wa kid that you pick up in the 40's for brown sounds about right

 

[EagleEyes]

It looks like he won't stay after listening to pickering anyway WCE should definitely use the fact that is a contracted player and demand pick 13, Firstly after he returns try and convince him to stay or ask him to help us get a good deal by telling the saints that if WCE won't get a good deal now he would like to see out his contract.

Brown+Stevens+Lynch Compensation

Pick13+Cripps+Saints 3rd Round.

 

[aussierulesrules]

no brown equals 13 and anderoli .Cripps for what ever pick we get for stevens done

Stevens isn't worth both Cripps and Andreoli. He's been in the system 50% longer than Cripps (who was drafted at an almost identical number), but has played less games and the games gulf would be even wider if Cripps hadn't been injured for the whole 2nd half of last year. If anything, Cripps is worth more than Stevens.

No one on here seems fussed in the slightest at Stevens' departure, whereas no-one at St Kilda really wants to lose Cripps. That says a lot about them and their worth.

 

[swannies]

It looks like he won't stay after listening to pickering anyway WCE should definitely use the fact that is a contracted player and demand pick 13, Firstly after he returns try and convince him to stay or ask him to help us get a good deal by telling the saints that if WCE won't get a good deal now he would like to see out his contract.

Brown+Stevens+Lynch Compensation

Pick13+Cripps+Saints 3rd Round.

What do you mean he won't stay? He has a contract, he is NOT going anywhere unless the Eagles deal him and we're not going to deal him for a packet of cripps. Otherwise he sits out footy for a year and I doubt he'd do that.

 

[jaxxon]

Stevens isn't worth both Cripps and Andreoli. He's been in the system 50% longer than Cripps (who was drafted at an almost identical number), but has played less games and the games gulf would be even wider if Cripps hadn't been injured for the whole 2nd half of last year. If anything, Cripps is worth more than Stevens.

No one on here seems fussed in the slightest at Stevens' departure, whereas no-one at St Kilda really wants to lose Cripps. That says a lot about them and their worth.

I think most would prefer to keep him. He has only had one preseason due to OP and other niggles, he hasn't really got going yet. I'd certainly prefer Stevens to a pick in the 40s.

 

[galen]

Has anyone actually given a reasonable answer as to why a contracted player in Brown has been approached and offered a longer/$$$ new contract?

How is this an 'ok' thing to do? Since when is pitching to under contract players acceptable?

Surely our next contract to Brown will have a fair bit of fruit on it because he will be much more required and valuable to us with Glass moving on. How is St Kilda able to come in and white ant us like this?

I reckon if this was done to Buddy/Cyril/Fasolo/<insert any other prominant WA player for a vic club> then the Herald Sun would be having a field day over this.

Yet St Kilda have openly admitted to approaching Brown with a loaded contract and this detail is seeming to not even cause a fuss.

 

[EagleEyes]

What do you mean he won't stay? He has a contract, he is NOT going anywhere unless the Eagles deal him and we're not going to deal him for a packet of cripps. Otherwise he sits out footy for a year and I doubt he'd do that.

I understand that i would be the happiest man if he stayed but in saying that if he tells us he wants to leave and if we say no sorry we don't want to trade you coz u got a contract with us and continue playing him like we did as a replacement for Glass,Emac then i wouldn't be surprised if we get a second or third round pick or he walks to PSD next year and we get nothing for him. But if he says ok i will help you get pick 13 then in my opinion we should let him go.

 

[salo]

I run my own business so yeah, i think i might. He was content to stay until St Kilda went to his manager and did a back door deal with the devil to convince him to leave. Now Brown is thinking "Wow i should take this deal" however since you asked if i have ever managed staff let me ask you a question. If you sign an agreement or contract with another company and all of a sudden the other company gets a better deal do you expect them to honour the agreement or do you let them do as they please because they don't want to deal with you. Brown is a big boy and he shouldn't have put pen to paper unless he is prepared to fulfill his side of the agreement. If St Kilda want him then they need to satisfy us as we are the other side of the agreement. Not just Brown. We are running a business/ football club here and whether or not you think this is harsh Brown is a commodity we are not prepared to lose. If you want him so badly then you have to satisfy us. That's pretty much the situation in black and white. Hopefully you are serious enough to explore that or you have just gotten Brown's hopes up for nothing.

Personally i'd prefer to still roll the dice even if it was a 20% chance. Premierships don't come around too often but i don't need to tell you that do i.

boom!!

 

[swannies]

I understand that i would be the happiest man if he stayed but in saying that if he tells us he wants to leave and if we say no sorry we don't want to trade you coz u got a contract with us and continue playing him like we did as a replacement for Glass,Emac then i wouldn't be surprised if we get a second or third round pick or he walks to PSD next year and we get nothing for him. But if he says ok i will help you get pick 13 then in my opinion we should let him go.

Yes, but pick 13 hasn't been forthcoming yet, so anything less than that simply shouldn't be entertained.

 

[eaglenut]

Stevens isn't worth both Cripps and Andreoli. He's been in the system 50% longer than Cripps (who was drafted at an almost identical number), but has played less games and the games gulf would be even wider if Cripps hadn't been injured for the whole 2nd half of last year. If anything, Cripps is worth more than Stevens.

No one on here seems fussed in the slightest at Stevens' departure, whereas no-one at St Kilda really wants to lose Cripps. That says a lot about them and their worth.

As I said before
Don't think pick 13 by itself wont get the deal done ,but throwing in a young wa kid that you pick up in the 40's for Brown sounds about right.


Cripps for the pick we get for Stevens throw in a late pick if that helps as we will not be using them .

that being said id keep both Brown and Stevens in a heart beat. but if they want to go a deal has to be done so that is why I'm suggesting this.

 

[Smotie]

The question is why you would want someone on your list who desperately wants to leave. Not whether he's signed a contract or not. Everyone know's he has signed a contract, everyone knows that means you don't have to trade him, and everyone knows that puts you in a stronger bargaining position. Now, maybe address the actual question?

I'm sure he wouldn't if given the choice today. Thing is, he already has. The point made was in the present: 'I don't see why you would want someone at your club who desperately wants out.'

The question was not whether he's signed a contract or not. Everyone know's he has signed a contract, everyone knows that means you don't have to trade him, and everyone knows that puts you in a stronger bargaining position. The question is why you would want someone on your list who desperately wants to leave.

How do you know he desperately wants to leave?

He could be making a statement to the club. "Either play me regularly next year or I am leaving when my contract runs out"

He is not bargaining on waiting for Glass to retire as it looks like the club is. Fair enough too, I agree with Brown regarding this. He is a good KPD and wants a regular game. Not our fault or his he was injured so much and MacKenzie overtook him. But he (and StKilda) need to realise he is contracted and IF they want him so much they have to put up a deal where the Eagles can't refuse.

It's that simple.

 

[Underdog]

He has a contract, he is NOT going anywhere unless the Eagles deal him and we're not going to deal him for a packet of cripps.

Nice!

 

[EagleEyes]

Yes, but pick 13 hasn't been forthcoming yet, so anything less than that simply shouldn't be entertained.

Don't think u understood my first post but this is exactly what i meant, If they don't just want to hand over the pick13 for brown the max we should do he is give them Lynch's compensation and get their third round pick from them. Regarding pick 13 they said yesterday it was for sale and were going for caddy with it now that geelong has signed him.i am pretty sure it will be offered to us.

 

[TommyJay]

How do you know he desperately wants to leave?

He could be making a statement to the club. "Either play me regularly next year or I am leaving when my contract runs out"

He is not bargaining on waiting for Glass to retire as it looks like the club is. Fair enough too, I agree with Brown regarding this. He is a good KPD and wants a regular game. Not our fault or his he was injured so much and MacKenzie overtook him. But he (and StKilda) need to realise he is contracted and IF they want him so much they have to put up a deal where the Eagles can't refuse.

It's that simple.

I don't know. I'm saying, if that is the situation (which it may be) why would your club want him?

The fact that absolutely no-one here has even remotely addressed that question is interesting. Everyone knows that it is possible, and apparently WCE intention, to try and convince him to stay. Like I've said, I would not be at all surprised if that happened. There is also the possibility that they can't convince him he wants to stay. It's one way or the other. IN THAT CASE, why would you want to keep him?

I wasn't asking what St Kilda needed to realise, or how much he was worth, or the fact that he was contracted means Saints need to pay overs... I had one question (which I've taken the liberty of bolding). That question is not to de-value him and say the Saints should get him for less, it is a simple question.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Don't think u understood my first post but this is exactly what i meant, If they don't just want to hand over the pick13 for brown the max we should do he is give them Lynch's compensation and get their third round pick from them. Regarding pick 13 they are just waiting for caddy as they still think they can get him. As soon as someone signs him i am pretty sure it will be offered.

Already gone to Geelong, but we still won't offer pick 13. Bookmark it.

 

[swannies]

Already gone to Geelong, but we still won't offer pick 13. Bookmark it.

Then there's no reason for Saints fans to come in here and discuss Brown.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Then there's no reason for Saints fans to come in here and discuss Brown.

We shall see

 

[Hairy Lager]

Play like a champ first, and get the respect first you tool, it don't work the other way around. Then you can be asked to be traded with common decency under contract for the club that was prepared to hang in there for you...and then give some more respect to our great club the WCE and how much time they have put into you and your future.... mummies little boy must need mumma's brickies thumbs (nipples) move over Nath, Mumma needs some soothing from her boys. He was our best clubman, LOL... Kerry smash him or push him down the stairs, what a soft ****.
Edit...the following post is in jest.

 

[puppy_dog7]

What do you mean he won't stay? He has a contract, he is NOT going anywhere unless the Eagles deal him and we're not going to deal him for a packet of cripps. Otherwise he sits out footy for a year and I doubt he'd do that.

I see what you did there