Updated Bruce Lehrmann * Justice Lee - "Mr Lehrmann r*ped Ms Higgins."

[Kurve]

Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
The Alexander Matters matters

Just a reminder, this is the crime board and we need to be aware that there will be victims of crime either watching this thread or engaging in here from time to time. A degree of respect in all discussions is expected.

LINK TO TIMELINE
CJS INQUIRY
FINAL REPORT – BOARD OF INQUIRY – CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
Joint media statement – Chief Minister and Attorney-General

LINK TO FEDERAL COURT DEFAMATION PROCEEDINGS

 

[Kurve]

'He says he resorted to cocaine because he was spiralling. “I was in a pretty bad place,” he told the court.'

Anyone else get the feeling that Lehrmann's decision making was/is highly questionable due to his brain being a bit fried from all the self-medication.

Snortle.

Nobody resorts to cocaine as a first choice under the pressure of a looming/police investigation for a serious crime, he knows where to get it because he's a regular user imo and there's proof of that in his text messages.

I'm wondering again, if after Higgins fell over in 88mph, he put something in her drink or gave her something in the taxi which might have been enough to straighten her up a bit to walk through security at PH. Not enough to keep upright for longer than about half an hour.

 

[Kurve]

Here's a good article by Jo Dyer summing up this far, where memory loss, conspiracy theories and far-fetched denials were the order of the day.

It's all in here but I missed this part.


Dr Collins then took us to 88mph, a favourite of Bruce’s for a late night boogie. Here Brittany described herself as being so drunk that she did an almighty face plant and knew it was well past time to go home. In her interview with the AFP, Lauren Gain confirmed she observed Brittany fall over at the club and said that Lerhmann helped her up. Gain also said that Lehrmann got handsy with Brittany sitting next to her in a booth and she saw them pash.

Not true, Lerhmann asserted unequivocally when questioned by Dr Collins. Brittany didn’t fall over. He didn’t help her up. He didn’t put his arm around her. They didn’t pash.

Your evidence today is that you have “a crystal clear recollection” that you did not engage in any intimate conduct with Ms Higgins?, Dr Collins asked, reminding him that in his police interview two years ago he’d been vague, even cautious, advising police he “couldn’t recall” intimate conduct but the night in question even then “was a long time ago” and he may have been a “bit flirtatious”. More than two years later, his memory of that distant night is fully restored. None of it happened. And Lauren Gain? She invented her story to discredit him, motivation unknown.

Lauren Gain is not the only fellow staffer hostile enough towards Lehrmann to risk lying to the police. Linda Reynolds’ senior media adviser Nicola Hamer also apparently concocted evidence when she said Lehrmann had earlier expressed interest in Brittany Higgins, that he found her good looking, and that on March 2 he’d asked Hamer to message Higgins to join them for drinks, which she subsequently did. He denied Hamer’s account of his behaviour when Brittany tried to call an Uber, that he snatched her phone to compel her to stay longer and drink with him.

and coming

There are many questions to probe further this week, including why Channel 10 barristers have been able to put together a stronger case against Lehrmann than the AFP.

The case continues.

Lies exposed in Bruce Lehrmann’s case against Lisa Wilkinson - The Shot

Watching Bruce Lehrmann’s terrible, horrible, no good very bad days in the witness box at the start of his defamation...

theshot.net.au

 

[Festerz]

Bolt's defamation Barrister (Adrian Anderson) says if Lehrmann loses this defamation case, that it's not inconceivable that it could result in reopening of the criminal allegations against Lehrmann (Higgins related).

First of all - anything from Andrew Bolt or his associates carries zero cred imho.

Secondly - the substantial political and legal fallout from the first criminal trial of Lehrmann, not to mention the media coverage, means that there is buckley's chances of the ACT DPP reinstating criminal action against Bruce Lehrmann for the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins. Again, IMHO.

 

[Kurve]

First of all - anything from Andrew Bolt or his associates carries zero cred imho.

Secondly - the substantial political and legal fallout from the first criminal trial of Lehrmann, not to mention the media coverage, means that there is buckley's chances of the ACT DPP reinstating criminal action against Bruce Lehrmann for the alleged rape of Brittany Higgins. Again, IMHO.

Sofronoff's report would need to be completely shredded imo for anybody to even think about it, then they'd need to get Higgins on board and I can't see her being agreeable to it particularly as it seems she will probably be completely validated when this defamation trial ends.

Lehrmann's never been under cross before, he exploited his right to silence and watched the victim Higgins, under a gruelling five days cross examination and thought he was so clever, he was going to come out of cross examination clean.

Most of us knew he would be exposed and fall flat on his face.

As you say, we're hearing evidence that was either suppressed or didn't make it past the trial judge, so there's that. You're right, there's no chance of reinstating criminal action.

 

[Percel]

Dr Collins: So your response was to ask for cocaine to be delivered to you?

Leerman: Cocaine's a hell of a drug!

Chaaaaaarlie Murphy…

 

[jason_recliner]

In the Andrew Bolt report video embedded in the below article today, Bolt's defamation Barrister (Adrian Anderson) says if Lehrmann loses this defamation case, that it's not inconceivable that it could result in reopening of the criminal allegations against Lehrmann (Higgins related).

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/bruce-lehrmanns-text-messages-with-friends-after-brittany-higgins-rape-allegations-aired/news-story/e71c062e17ec99c550b25680f699c9a7

We can do that? We don't have double jeopardy here?

(sorry, deep in preparation of an appeal under different laws, don't have the energy to start googling criminal law)

 

[Ghost Patrol]

So how did young Bruce stumble his way into an advisors role in the first place?

 

[Kurve]

So how did young Bruce stumble his way into an advisors role in the first place?

One of the stories goes along the lines of him volunteering at a polling booth and it went from there.

 

[jason_recliner]

So how did young Bruce stumble his way into an advisors role in the first place?

A friend of my sister's was an advisor for one of the premiers. she volunteered to help in his campaign to get elecetd as an MP, when he won, she got a job with him as a kind of reward for her time and loyalty. Then she kept working for him as he climbed the ladder from MP to Minister to Premier. Seems to be the typical pathway.

 

[Kurve]

A friend of my sister's was an advisor for one of the premiers. she volunteered to help in his campaign to get elecetd as an MP, when he won, she got a job with him as a kind of reward for her time and loyalty. Then she kept working for him as he climbed the ladder from MP to Minister to Premier. Seems to be the typical pathway.

A close friend of mine did something similar, she volunteered to work in the office where this person and I won't say who it was, eventually ended up Prime Minister. It opened doors for her.

She used to read their tarot cards in tea breaks, ring me and we'd discuss. She got heaps of goss.

 

[nut]

Leerman is a lot of things but idiot is probably not one of them.

This aged well

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Hang this fat campaigner up by the balls.




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[jason_recliner]

This aged well

I don't think he's an idiot, I think his decision to sue showed appalling judgement and we're watching him pay the price, in deliciously excruciating real time, of this monumental mistake. His answers aren't silly but sensible answers can't make the truth go away - lies eventually catch up with us, almost always. I can't decide if he's here because of avarice, pride, some sort of misguided misogynistic belief that he's owed it, or whether he desperately needs the money to pay for his trials.

 

[Percel]

I fought the law....and Bruce won.....

 

[faible]

Hang this fat campaigner up by the balls.

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As I said a long time ago, I didn't need a court verdict to decide that I wouldn't want him anywhere near any female I know.

 

[CD Xbow]

I don't think he's an idiot, I think his decision to sue showed appalling judgement and we're watching him pay the price, in deliciously excruciating real time, of this monumental mistake. His answers aren't silly but sensible answers can't make the truth go away - lies eventually catch up with us, almost always. I can't decide if he's here because of avarice, pride, some sort of misguided misogynistic belief that he's owed it, or whether he desperately needs the money to pay for his trials.

Appalling judgement is an understatement. A shave, haircut and a change of name would have cheaper and more effective than this misdirected defamation case. Everything that has been aired in public just makes him appear more guilty, even if he 'wins', he loses. Prior to this defamation action there was so much noise surrounding events that many people didn't really have a strong opinion about Bruce. Now we have seen evidence of his lying, multiple times to multiple people including the authorities. We have seen him plying a young women with drinks to get her legless, then his unconvincing answers regarding this. We know with certainty he was with Higgins at the time she alleges she was r*ped, furthermore she has identified him specifically. Then he turns out to have form wrt sexual assault as a number of legitimate sounding accusations have surfaced from other women. Must be one of the stupidest defamation cases ever, I'm not sure what his lawyers were thinking.

 

[Lady O]

I don't think he's an idiot, I think his decision to sue showed appalling judgement and we're watching him pay the price, in deliciously excruciating real time, of this monumental mistake. His answers aren't silly but sensible answers can't make the truth go away - lies eventually catch up with us, almost always. I can't decide if he's here because of avarice, pride, some sort of misguided misogynistic belief that he's owed it, or whether he desperately needs the money to pay for his trials.

I'm thinking one of the conditions of his legal representative, is if he got off, he sues for defamation to pay his bills.

 

[jason_recliner]

I'm thinking one of the conditions of his legal representative, is if he got off, he sues for defamation to pay his bills.

I think that's possible, even likely. I don't understand what drives some people to do the things they do, so who knows? But yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't have chosen to face this almighty legal bollocking. I half expected to wake to news he'd committed suicide overnight.

 

[FIGJAM]

I don't think he's an idiot, I think his decision to sue showed appalling judgement and we're watching him pay the price, in deliciously excruciating real time, of this monumental mistake. His answers aren't silly but sensible answers can't make the truth go away - lies eventually catch up with us, almost always. I can't decide if he's here because of avarice, pride, some sort of misguided misogynistic belief that he's owed it, or whether he desperately needs the money to pay for his trials.

I'm sort of torn with this action, because odds are he's a pest and that him proceeding with this is borderline comically ill-advised given a certain cross-examination and other external claims of assault in the ether; but then I also think the way Channel 10 / Brittany went about it was also extremely poor.

It can be a fine line in investigative journalism between a concerted effort to obtain information that would otherwise remain concealed that is in the public interest to bring to light (eg. Nine against Roberts-Smith) and effectively weaponizing that information (eg. Milligan getting sued and settling twice at our expense) under the guise of being something of a freedom-fighter. I feel like the Project interview fell towards the latter of that spectrum, heavily politicising the events that were to evolve thereafter, when the case was reopened 2 days after. Even the Libs had to buy into the 'guilty until proven innocent' vibe, so I can't imagine what it would have been like being a copper fielding this renewed claim, or in prosecutions thereafter.

As for defamation, I like what was in the Tim Clarke podcast posted earlier, in that a only handful of people would have actually recognised him. Hopefully they give him a grand and make 10 pay for the legal costs. I think justice will have been served if both parties lose here!

 

[Lady O]

I think that's possible, even likely. I don't understand what drives some people to do the things they do, so who knows? But yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't have chosen to face this almighty legal bollocking. I half expected to wake to news he'd committed suicide overnight.

Yes, no calls that he was being harshly treated in cross examination, as was the case when Higgins was questioned by Whybrow. Apparently, he has been suffering from similar anxiety as she has, but of course, he is the "villain", so it's OK. I hope Whybrow gets to question her in this case and can elicit answers the questions that remained unanswered at the criminal trial.

 

[BigTacoBandit]

I fought the law....and Bruce won.....

Such cringe

 

[nut]

Such cringe

WTF

 

[Festerz]

Such cringe

And listen to the words:

'she was the best girl that I ever had....I fought the law and Bruce won'

Metadata shows it was recorded the day after his criminal trial for the rape of Ms Higgins was aborted.

Sickening.

 

[Kurve]

Such cringe

Do we know the original source for this? I'm surprised The Australian let this get out.

 

[Kurve]

Lehrmann seeks reputational damage but when a light goes on it, the reality reveals there's nothing of a reputation to salvage.