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Mega Thread Buckley Contract extension
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All best 22/top 25 players, all missing from the side that played Carlton yesterday.
Fair list but not all there are injured
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Cloke and maybe Nathan Brown (depending on whether he's being "managed") are the only ones there not injured.
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Only one more than the Western Bulldogs, or Carlton who you lost to yesterday...I am sure that makes all the difference.
It's not just the numbers, it's the number of best 22/top 25 players. Doesn't make a whole lot of difference to the make-up of a side if their injury list is made up of guys who wouldn't be getting a senior game anyway.
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What difference does it make whether the team has progressively gotten worse or not, ladder wise? If anything, the list we have now is what majority of Collingwood fans would rather have than 2015, 2014 or 2013. Whether he is around or not in 2 years time, he has built a foundation for a Collingwood team that can challenge for top 4 in 2017+
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Langdon, Witts, Sinclair & Ramsey are also not definitire best 22. Plenty of clubs with worse injury list than pies and dont give out the sxcuses we hear every week from Buckley.
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You won't go from not playing finals in years to top 4 next year. What a ridiculous thought.
Witts only had his first game back this week and Buckley in all his wisdom decided to drop Brown. Cloke was going to play this week but injured his back. We have a good enough list to make the finals. Not convinced on the coach and we need a fit list
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You say excuses, I say reasons. No arse-coverage or face-saving intended, just factors as to why the team isn't even reaching the par score of being a mid-table (7th-12th) side this year.
Langdon is definitely best 22, Sinclair and Ramsay are arguable based on form and favouratism, and Witts is top 25, hence why I said "best 22/top 25", as we have first-teamers and top back-ups missing, meaning that we're playing a lot of inexperienced and untested players that we ideally wouldn't be right now.
So you're missing 3 players from the late starting dynasty. Makes sense why Collingnwood aren't 7-0 with those elite stars not there.
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Sinclair and Ramsay are average players though.
It's all well and good being best 22 but if you're not that good to begin with, it doesn't mean much.
Williams and Langdon are decent players however.
It's all well and good being best 22 but if you're not that good to begin with, it doesn't mean much.
Williams and Langdon are decent players however.
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Whether you rate the players or not is irrelevant. It's their importance to Collingwood in 2016 that matters. If they are better and more experienced than those who are replacing them, assumedly we'd be playing to a better level, or at least have more consistency of effort and performance.
I don't think we should be anywhere near 7-0, by the way. We should have beaten Carlton and St Kilda though, and probably Melbourne too. I expected us to drop the Richmond game as well.
I'd say anyone who genuinely thought we'd be anything more than a 7th-12th team, and is now judging us against ridiculous top six expectations, is a fool, fans and employees of the club included. We're not even reaching that base mid-table level at the moment though, which is the first step.
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You really don't.
Not the worst idea.
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Why do people keep saying it took malthouse 9 years it took him nine years. Malthouse took over when the team we're dead last and gradually improved all the way till he won the cup. Yeah it took 9 years but he improved. Bucks is a complete reversal. Sure give a year to implement his game plan that generous amount of time. He is still on the way down. just saying its a list for 2017+ is just talk. we live in the now and taking a top team down to the bottom is not excusable no matter how much hype is in the future of the list. Hype that's plucked up now and doesn't excuse the time he's been there so far. Loyalty is great and all but man if I we're a pies supporter I'd be hoping they'd go else where.
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If the Pies lose to Brisbane he must be sacked
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Don't see it. Many teams have gone past Pies in last 12 months. I think GWS, Dogs, Saints, Dees all have better young lists and don't see Crows, Sydney or Cats dropping off any time soon.
Buckley's career winning percentage at the end of each season has been 68%, 65%, 60%, 57% (currently 55%).
The only man to coach a premiership after an initial four-year period of decline was Perce Bentley - premiership-winning playing coach at Richmond in the 1930's before winning two further flags as non-playing coach of Carlton in the 1940's. Bentley's early record was 85% (incl. flag), 75%, 69%, 66%.
Nearly all successful coaches improved their record in Year 2 or 3, so Buckley will need to buck historical trends.
Chris Scott faces this same hurdle after 88% (incl. flag), 77.1%, 76.7%, 75% (currently 72%).
The only man to coach a premiership after an initial four-year period of decline was Perce Bentley - premiership-winning playing coach at Richmond in the 1930's before winning two further flags as non-playing coach of Carlton in the 1940's. Bentley's early record was 85% (incl. flag), 75%, 69%, 66%.
Nearly all successful coaches improved their record in Year 2 or 3, so Buckley will need to buck historical trends.
Chris Scott faces this same hurdle after 88% (incl. flag), 77.1%, 76.7%, 75% (currently 72%).
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If the coach has completely lost the players and is using a tired game-plan that no one actually has any faith in, as appears to be the case currently, it follows that marginally better players aren't actually going to help much.
While injuries this year are obviously impacting on the team's performance, players like De Goey and Aish haven't developed well at all, and for a "destination club" which has been successful in trading in the players it targets during the off-season, the demise since Buckley has taken over has been fairly alarming.
Probably not, but there's a good chance there'll be a few clubs looking for a new coach at the end of the year and if you're going to go down that road anyway...
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Seem to be. Two arguments going on here, the coach and the playing list
Starting with the coach. I have hated seeing Bucks fail as loved him so much as a player and he does seem a guenuinely good bloke. Still that doesn't matter now, he can't coach, don't think he seems to have the footy IQ to match it with the other coaches. I think it's a terminal problem for him and if he is sacked this week would be the best for all concerned. Appoint a caretaker, put the acid on the playing list, and start the search for the best candidate with enough time to make it comprehensive. Not any experienced coaches out there who stand out so may need to be a rookie. So be it, just look thoroughly.
The playing list, looks more and more as though the list hasn't come on. Certainly appears the least skilful list of the 18 teams. Won't be getting any top end draft picks this year and have little to tradewithso the list will be treading water for 12 months. This probably puts future success and finals the playing career of Pendles or anyone older than him. Leaves Sidebottom and below in age group as the players to build around so need a full rebuild of the list.
Starting with the coach. I have hated seeing Bucks fail as loved him so much as a player and he does seem a guenuinely good bloke. Still that doesn't matter now, he can't coach, don't think he seems to have the footy IQ to match it with the other coaches. I think it's a terminal problem for him and if he is sacked this week would be the best for all concerned. Appoint a caretaker, put the acid on the playing list, and start the search for the best candidate with enough time to make it comprehensive. Not any experienced coaches out there who stand out so may need to be a rookie. So be it, just look thoroughly.
The playing list, looks more and more as though the list hasn't come on. Certainly appears the least skilful list of the 18 teams. Won't be getting any top end draft picks this year and have little to tradewithso the list will be treading water for 12 months. This probably puts future success and finals the playing career of Pendles or anyone older than him. Leaves Sidebottom and below in age group as the players to build around so need a full rebuild of the list.
I agree it's two separate issues.
One thing that stands out watching Collingwood is that weird quasi-zone "defence" that has let teams open you up, and leaves their forwards by themselves inside your defensive 50. The St Kilda game was like playing against witches hats once they got it forward of centre. There have been problems with injury and form, and stuff outside Buckley's control, but he needs to take responsibility for that.
You're hardly the first club to over-rate their list, or think they're closer to a flag than they really are. One issue was always going to be whether you could force your window open while Swan/Cloke/Pendles etc were still performing, so I understand the logic of topping up. But it's fair to say that trading away all your top picks was a mistake, given where you are now.
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