Burton Gone

[sausageroll]

I gathered he was intending to hip and shoulder him, but Slattery turned to gather the ball and Burton clipped his head.

Yeah, who'd have thought Slattery would attempt to gather the ball?

That was not the time to go for the hip and shoulder and Burton's paying the price.
Quite a few Crows supporters can see why he got 2 games. Why can't the rest of you?

 

[Jars458]

Well fair enough, this one was hardly that bad though, yes it was dangerous, but the intention to hit Slattery in the head wasn't there.

Correct it was not intentional - it was reckless! Actually I can accept you could argue that it was only negligent but certainly not accidental.

 

[Jars458]

Suspect you're thinking of Andrew Mackay (former Carlton defender, originally from Glenelg(?)).

With only 10 games experience, I'm fairly sure David Mackay hasn't been added to the MRP just yet!

Doh! Of course, have Dave on the brain. My point was that the MRP have respected people on it and to blame "idoits who run the game" is a bit of a sweeping comment.

 

[-CG-]

Yeah, who'd have thought Slattery would attempt to gather the ball?

That was not the time to go for the hip and shoulder and Burton's paying the price.
Quite a few Crows supporters can see why he got 2 games. Why can't the rest of you?

I can see why.

That doesn't mean he didn't attempt to hip and shoulder him. I see it as Burton expect Slattery to pick the ball up side, though Slattery turned so Burton got his head.

 

[sausageroll]

I can see why.

That doesn't mean he didn't attempt to hip and shoulder him. I see it as Burton expect Slattery to pick the ball up side, though Slattery turned so Burton got his head.

I see what you're saying but there are times to go for the hip and shoulder and there are times you don't.
When you know the player will be bending over to pick up the ball is a very risky time to bump. He made a bad decision in this case

 

[-CG-]

I see what you're saying but there are times to go for the hip and shoulder and there are times you don't.
When you know the player will be bending over to pick up the ball is a very risky time to bump. He made a bad decision in this case

And subsequently been dealt with a two week suspension

 

[Crow-mo]

Suspect you're thinking of Andrew Mackay (former Carlton defender, originally from Glenelg(?)).

With only 10 games experience, I'm fairly sure David Mackay hasn't been added to the MRP just yet!

um.... that might not be the david mackay he was referring to!

 

[macca23]

Doh! Of course, have Dave on the brain. My point was that the MRP have respected people on it and to blame "idoits who run the game" is a bit of a sweeping comment.

You're on the wrong tram there Jars.

The idiots I was referring to are Dimwitriou and Post-it note Anderson. The ones that set all the agendas.

 

[Vader]

Burton's take on the situation - seems pretty well balanced to me.
http://afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=60768

'Catch 22' on head-highs: Burton
By Katrina Gill 7:18 AM Wed 04 June, 2008

CROWS forward Brett Burton says the AFL Players Association is faced with a “Catch 22” situation when it comes to questioning the AFL’s head-high contact rule, which saw him and two other players, Robert Murphy and Beau Waters, suspended over the weekend.

Burton, who was banned for two matches after making high contact with Essendon’s Henry Slattery, says the interpretation of the head-high rule is likely to be one issue raised by the AFLPA at the end of the season.

“We have a representative, I think it’s Luke Darcy at the moment, who sits on the Laws committee board and he voices the opinion of the players,” Burton told RADIO 5aa.

“The Players Association will put a mandate to Luke Darcy about some issues we want to have tackled at the end of the year.

“We will certainly do that, but the Catch 22 is that the AFLPA is also behind protecting the players’ heads. That is the most important thing and that’s why I’m willing to say, ‘Hey, I’ve done the wrong thing here’.

“The [current interpretation] is not the exact interpretation of how we want the game to go and it’s different to what I’ve been used to in the past, but foremost, you’ve got to look after the guy with his head over the ball and Slattery had his head over the ball, so I’ve got to learn to do it a different way and move on.”

A frustrated Burton said he had not intended to make contact with Slattery’s head, but the slippery conditions and speed of the game prevented him from changing course.

“What I was trying to do was get down low, come in side on, bump him, make contact with him and then go back at the ball,” Burton said.

“I was assuming that’s what he’d do too, because that’s what you’re taught, you protect your body by turning to the side, but unfortunately he got there a bit quicker than I’d anticipated and put his head there.

“In those conditions it’s just so hard to stop and I followed through with the motion and unfortunately, as the rules stipulate now, when a guy has his head over the ball, you just have to stay away from him.

“I have to take the two weeks on the chin and try not to do it again.”

The AFLPA vice-president also expressed concern at what he described as a deliberate ploy by some players to go into contests head first.

“Looking back on it now, I’d probably say I’d be reluctant to hip and shoulder anyone now when they’ve got their head over the ball,” he said.

“You basically have to wait for him to pick it up and then tackle him, which is hard because as a coach you encourage your players to be committed at the ball and we really pump up contested footy at the club.

“That’s where the game starts, with the 50-50 ball, and you don’t want to be reluctant going for them, but you certainly have to go with a bit of caution now.

“I think the hip and shoulder can still be used to block guys and push guys away from the ball, but not when they’re bending over to get it. It’s just too dangerous.

“What happens now is that players lead with their head a bit more because they know they’ll get a free kick. That’s kind of an art in itself, which probably wasn’t the way we wanted to set out the rule, but that’s what’s been made of it.”

 

[cocka]

If Burton had simply gone for the ball 1. he would of got it, and 2. he would be playing this week. Don't think there is much to complain about or rules needing clarification. He actually had to step over the ball to make contact. Murphy was much similar the ball nearly hit him on the foot but he chose to ignore it and take the man. The Hawthorn player wasn't even bending down so it was a poor hip and shoulder. I don't think either of these two can complain. Waters I thought was the accidental one, in that he was the only one of the three actually going for the ball, and he and OBree collided collecting the Collingwood player high.

 

[sigur]

If Burton had simply gone for the ball 1. he would of got it, and 2. he would be playing this week. .

3. He would have carried it over the boundary.
4. Probably would have been called 'deliberate'

 

[Jars458]

You're on the wrong tram there Jars.

The idiots I was referring to are Dimwitriou and Post-it note Anderson. The ones that set all the agendas.

Yes, but they don't make the decisions on these incidents the MRP does.

If you are criticsing AD and AA for making it illegal to bump a player with his head over the ball then I think you are wrong as the player needs to be protected in this situation.

Burton's view that players play for the free sounds dubious to me.

 

[Fergus]

Burton's view that players play for the free sounds dubious to me.

I agree wholeheartedly with him. I commented to a few people well prior to this week that I had noticed an increase in players seeming to crash deliberately into opponents legs, arms etc with their head to draw a free kick. It will be interesting at the end of the season to see whether the free kick stats back this up. It's the law of Freakonomics - there is always an unwanted / unexpected result from implementing a new rule.

 

[Geoffa32]

Burton's take on the situation - seems pretty well balanced to me.
http://afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=60768

“The [current interpretation] is not the exact interpretation of how we want the game to go and it’s different to what I’ve been used to in the past, but foremost, you’ve got to look after the guy with his head over the ball and Slattery had his head over the ball, so I’ve got to learn to do it a different way and move on.”

A bit of class, compared to Chockos rant.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

If Burton had simply gone for the ball 1. he would of got it, and 2. he would be playing this week. Don't think there is much to complain about or rules needing clarification. He actually had to step over the ball to make contact. Murphy was much similar the ball nearly hit him on the foot but he chose to ignore it and take the man. The Hawthorn player wasn't even bending down so it was a poor hip and shoulder. I don't think either of these two can complain.

Bullseye. Burton almost trod on the ball while delivering his bump.

 

[johnnypanther]

Its interesting to see the more accepting and classy (as Geoffa32 put it) responses by Burton, Craig & the AFC compared to the hysterical rants & spin offered by Choco & the Power re Shaun Burgoyne (who is a serial offender in running past the ball & laying careless (to put it kindly) head high bumps/hits).

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Burton's take on the situation - seems pretty well balanced to me.
http://afl.com.au/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsid=60768

Had to laugh where Burton says he is going to have to "change his game" as a result of the head-high bump interpretation.

“Looking back on it now, I’d probably say I’d be reluctant to hip and shoulder anyone now when they’ve got their head over the ball,” he said.

When has "Woosha" Burton ever delivered a hip-and-shoulder before? The one on Slattery was his first I can remember - he ran in a million miles an hour like an idiot, hit him high, didn't hurt Slattery one bit and got suspended.

Gee, there'll be some AFL players breathing easier now that he has put the hip-and-shoulder away. Burton and Pickett, cut from the same cloth!

 

[jo172]

Had to laugh where Burton says he is going to have to "change his game" as a result of the head-high bump interpretation.



When has "Woosha" Burton ever delivered a hip-and-shoulder before? The one on Slattery was his first I can remember - he ran in a million miles an hour like an idiot, hit him high, didn't hurt Slattery one bit and got suspended.

Gee, there'll be some AFL players breathing easier now that he has put the hip-and-shoulder away. Burton and Pickett, cut from the same cloth!

Bullshit!

Burton got rubbed out for doing that against Richmond just a couple of years ago!

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Bullshit!

Burton got rubbed out for doing that against Richmond just a couple of years ago!

Has the Richmond player recovered yet?!