Vic Bushfire Info

[ripitup27]

Why do we have to be outraged? I don't want to be outraged, I just want to do something. My money, my food, my essentials might not go exactly where I think it should, but I want to do something.

I don't want to be angry at the government. I haven't got time. I just want to help.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

I agree with Embers. My state donates enough to the east as it is.

Until SA is bulldozed I wont be donating anything to the east.

And until Victoria gets real about it's burn offs, and develops the WA attitude to fire prevention, I don't see the point. If you guys want to set your selves up for these disasters, go for it, but don't come crying to us.

I seriously seriously doubt that if we had something like this here, there would be the same response. And on that basis, there are better things to donate my money to.

Nice post (and sig) there, 'Cocks_a_must'. Your parents must be so proud of you.

 

[Heisenberg_]

I agree with Embers. My state donates enough to the east as it is.

Until SA is bulldozed I wont be donating anything to the east.

And until Victoria gets real about it's burn offs, and develops the WA attitude to fire prevention, I don't see the point. If you guys want to set your selves up for these disasters, go for it, but don't come crying to us.

I seriously seriously doubt that if we had something like this here, there would be the same response. And on that basis, there are better things to donate my money to.

I can not believe what I just read.

Luckily for you WA will never ever experience anything close to what is happening down here.
All you are showing is a total lack of ignorance to bushfires and just how bad this was. No amount of backburning or anything could have stopped this.
Get real and get ****ing clue ********

 

[magic_johnson!]

Haha talk them up why don't ya... Is Brett back playing bass yet?



A lot of bodies have been that badly burnt it is hard to attribute body parts to people. In that instant they thought that the remains were of 6 people, however it was one person.

nahh, i'm not sure if he is. you can't just get rid of jezz

 

[Brewster_]

Wow. I can't believe some of what I am reading in this thread.
People are dying and you want to argue politics, Embers.
There are people wandering around with nothing but the clothes on their backs with no where to go. They need to be fed and clothed.
Giving money was the least I could do, we all have to feel like we're doing something, even if the benefits aren't immediate.
You may not intend to, but you are coming across as heartless.

 

[SA_Hawkette]

Why do we have to be outraged? I don't want to be outraged, I just want to do something. My money, my food, my essentials might not go exactly where I think it should, but I want to do something.

I don't want to be angry at the government. I haven't got time. I just want to help.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Oops, sorry, must've missed it. Glad your mum got home okay.

that is cool how many pages back it was i don't know but a refresher is always good if some one sees this about the theft and says hey i know who did it i will call cops it is all good if story becomes that well publicized very good

 

[Chops_a_must]

Bigfooty Senior Member who's been a member since 2008 and makes childish comments such as this. Last time I checked WA doesn't have the houses amongst rolling hills of eucalypts like Victoria has, at least not to the same extent.

You are a disgrace. At least the other guys had valid points. You're just a horrible person.

Might not be eucalypts, but have you ever been through Mundaring, Jarrahdale, Stonerville, Parkerville etc.?

If I was over there, I would be donating myself. And have done here to help out my family up in the hills a couple of times. But I don't see the point in giving money until the structural issues are dealt with over there.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

take all the scums the fire starters and the looters and hang them up and let everyone go nuts on them, burn them, torture the ****s... sorry just trying to vent my anger.. stupid fools who lack respect and a heartless SOBs

everyone i spoke to says this or like it

 

[Heisenberg_]

Might not be eucalypts, but have you ever been through Mundaring, Jarrahdale, Stonerville, Parkerville etc.?

If I was over there, I would be donating myself. And have done here to help out my family up in the hills a couple of times. But I don't see the point in giving money until the structural issues are dealt with over there.

Please tell us about these structural issues.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Let the law deal with them accordingly, but let each victim have 5 mins with them alone. I really wouldn't lump the looters with the firebugs either. The looters are taking advantage of other people's pain, but they haven't killed anyone.

heard a story on the cockatoo fires in ash wednesday there were some looters that were caught and taken to the cop station where there happened to be some locals taking refuge the cops had to leave as they were still needed and when they came back the looters were not in same shape as they went in from what i was told . bet they did not loot again .

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

I do not in anyway condone what the fire starters have done, but vigilante action is not the answer.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Biggest load of crap I have ever read.

Ah, no. What he said is very f*cking true.

dead right it is true i have not seen a smoker yet who has not thrown their but [lit ] out the window ! if i remember rightly that can be a $100 fine so anyone seeing that done ring the epa and dob them in they are litter bugs and the next thing from a fire bug .

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

There are a lot of people(greenies) who oppose backburning in that area.

These are the questions the Royal Commissioner will deal with.

yes they stopped backburning in warburton one year and the cfa went against that cause they knew it was as bad as ash wednesday [ 7yrs after it] lucky they did cause not long after ther was a bug who started some fires and they would have been worse if the back burning had not been done

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

I do not in anyway condone what the fire starters have done, but vigilante action is not the answer.

i agree don't worry i know what i would love to do to these @$#$$%% but would never carry it out as that would be lowering myself to their level , was told the story don't know if it is a tall tale or not but i could imagine that happening too .

 

[red+black]

I do not in anyway condone what the fire starters have done, but vigilante action is not the answer.

English is a funny language when the authorities stress that people remain vigilant.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Well I know Sherbrooke Forest has not been fuel reduced in my time on this planet. The weird thing is that the greenies won't allow it yet a lot trees etc are dying due to ivy and other parasties that a fire would take care of.

Sherbrooke Forest borders some very heavily populated areas of the Dandenongs, Sassafras, Kallista, Olinda, Kalorama, Monbulk, the Path, Belgrave and whilst it is not Sherbrooke, the same forest chain runs out to Emerald, Clematis.

Its time for some common sense to be restored, controlled back burning, the animals will be fine as they can outrun a moderate burn but they cannot outrun an inferno like we saw on Saturday.

dead right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and i agree with all you wrote 100%

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

i agree don't worry i know what i would love to do to these @$#$$%% but would never carry it out as that would be lowering myself to their level , was told the story don't know if it is a tall tale or not but i could imagine that happening too .

I fully understand your anger. We just do not want vigilante groups (or state based militias) forming as they have in the U.S.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

We really can be a country of lemmings.

We run around pointing fingers at all and sundry but stand to cheer on the people most culpable for these sort of tragedies.

Most of the problems with back-burning have nothing to do with greenies. It's lack of resources and bureaucratic bungling that stops it. Not 'greenies'.

Like everything else, we lack a co-ordinated management plan. Environmental groups and the EPA should be very much involved in the process but it should be a part of co-ordinated rather than the current farce of a situation we have now.

But hey, yelling 'GREENIES' is so much easier.

sorry but the greenies have cause some of this [ not taking any blame of the arsonist ] they stopped the back burning years ago you have to go through so much to try and get a back burn they cut back staff cause hey no longer back burning we don't need you no more then when they do do a back burn no communication with ones that do know how example wilsons prom ! couple yrs back ! i think that mob did not involve cfa if i remember and did it on a not quite a good day for it had lack of man power to keep under control and lost it ! for yrs no probs back burning till the greens decided it was wrong ! sorry but i have lived in the bush and know that back burning needs to be done and knows who stopped it

also while on this PUT BACK THE CATTLE IN THE HIGH COUNTRY ! it does help !

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

There is one issue that I am slightly confused about. I admire the courage of the victims to rebuild their houses etc., but why build in an area with a history of fires? Surely they would be better off building somewhere else. I understand that they like living where they do, but the risk seems to great.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

I know im gonna get blasted for this but im sure others are thinking it but too afraid to say it. What the **** are we giving money for? Our government are about to hand out 950 bucks per person yet people still feel the need to hand money into my opinion a cause which has enough resources at its disposal as it is.

Lets face it, my money will have absolutely no affect on the day to day lives nor the rebuilding process. For what the government doesnt provide, insurance will cover the rest. Its not like these people are fighting for there lives in the community centres. They have the basic necessities needed. Food, water shelter. We gonna spend 12 mill on clothes or something?

There are many more charitable causes out there who need the money more. Fact is for someone in Sudan 50 bucks could feed them for 1 month and provide them with water too for which without they could die. If I send 50 bucks to the fire appeal they might get some steak with there sausages instead. Call me unpatriotic or what you like I just feel giving money to this is a waste. Our government should fix it. Its what we pay our taxes for. Id urge those who give money to this to next week log onto World Vision and sponsor a child whose life you can literally save.

insurance does not cover FOOD ! SOAPS ETC ETC , money covers alot of things , are you going to wear some one else's undies if you walked out of a fire with no money cards or cheques and with the clothes on your back and nothing else at all !

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Couldn't agree more. You won't get blasted from me.

I really can't believe we are only now organising relief efforts. We do the same thing in every disaster - make it up as we go along. Listening to the people in Kinglake this morning it's clear there was no prior planning.

the relief efforts have been going since it started my mum has been non stop since it started including wednesday fires at hoddles creek !


no planning, in the way of leave or stay,
is not governments fault or firemen fault it is the individuals sorry if you live in the bush you should always know there is a risk of fire when you hear there maybe hot winds and hot temperatures you should know the risk of bush fire is HIGH ! you decide early what you are going to do when it is a wildfire like king lake it is unpredictable whether to leave or stay that is the individuals decision no one elses and if you stay you don't change your mind when the wall of flames appears that may be too late the smoke will be too thick to see where you are going which is why those cars crashed ! you have to make sure that if you stay you are prepared 100% water supply is a must if it fails that may mean your life . me i would rather leave early !

sorry if you do not like what i write this is my opinion i have formed over a long time [since experiencing ash wednesday ]

changing some policy will not save lives as lives will always be lost in wild fire ! and paying some one to look at that well if it does improve some things like helping get back burning back to the way it used to be with the man power needed great , i don't mind that , i just don't want money wasted that could go to places where it could help better !

 

[Oaksnaf]

For those who are complaining about the media interviewing those who lost everything, you have to realise that these people can say NO to the reporters.

The concentration for most networks on the personal story rather than what the fires are doing now, is because this is what most people will watch.

Almost every family in Victoria would be sitting around the table watching TV and going "I cannot imagine what these people are going through, I feel so sorry for them".

They would not be talking like
"Today the wind changed south east and another 750 acres were lost at Gippsland."

The heart stories are aimed at the heart. And that is where most of the donations will come from. We feel for the people, not the 750 acres.

In my opinion!



I would like to hope that these people didn't die in vain and that something can be learnt from these fires to prevent it from every happening again.

R.I.P victims of fires '09.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

There is one issue that I am slightly confused about. I admire the courage of the victims to rebuild their houses etc., but why build in an area with a history of fires? Surely they would be better off building somewhere else. I understand that they like living where they do, but the risk seems to great.

if people realise that in the bush there is always that risk and learn what they need to do to minimize that risk as much as they can that is fine it is the ones who have no idea think it won't happen to them , think that oh the fire is 50 k's away i am ok when really they should pack and go then cause really they are not ok that fire can get to them so quickly they would be trapped if they don't leave then and there , there are risks living in the city too what can you do .

 

[rocker_oz33]

the last biggish fires were lit by a firefighter l hope they catch these people as soon a possible