Bye structure

[MrChristo]

You know what I meant.

Just saying that most 'rookies' (purposely selected cows) will be well and truly moo-ing before rd. 11. (12/13)

Holding one simply to cover a zero looks to me to be robbing Peter only to be robbed yourself...

 

[castro]

You know what I meant.

Just saying that most 'rookies' (purposely selected cows) will be well and truly moo-ing before rd. 11. (12/13)

Holding one simply to cover a zero looks to me to be robbing Peter only to be robbed yourself...

Fair enough. I agree most would be mooing. So you trade before and when it comes to bye period, your bench is full of in and out/fringe players. In this case, I would assume you side-trade to avoid byes. Under this strategy, will your premiun players you end up with be good enough to finish strong?

 

[Mattrox]

You don't hold someone if you can afford an up grade, but the upgrade can be strategic to help in the bye structure.

With the keepers I have I need rookies to cover the gaps, they will be in my team anyway. I can trade them sideways prior to round 11 to make sure I have solid round 12/13 bye players in place to rotate out my round 11 keepers.

By round 12 if you can't identify 6 possible sideways trades or even upgrades then something is wrong. There are Crows, Bulldogs & Eagles players not in my team now that fit the bill for surviving round 12. If 2 players are making the same average whay difference does it make if they were in my round 1 side or round 12 side.

The mid-pricers may not score appreciably more than the rookies and to score 6 or so zeros from being unprepared is just sillyness.

If you manage to have rookies in all positions who do score, it is not a bad problem to have. There will be the opportunity to downgrade (after they rise in value) to a cheaper, low scoring player. Thus, allowing upgrades to the main players and still scrounge a few points for the bye.

The trick is to find the undervalued players that turn into keepers, and don't need upgrading.

There are heaps of those types of players. Sloane, Dangerfield, Waters ...... the list goes on.

 

[Mattrox]

I can't see how anyone will use 9 trades over the bye period, unless they're recklesslessly trading premium round 12 player for premum 13 players, then trading back round 13 players to round 12 come the second bye - or is it reckless?

It's not reckless if you are precise with who and when you execute the trade. It also means early injuries to premium players - or Kerr, Porps etc - will eat into your ability to get through the byes effectively.

I'm done talking about it now.... back to setting up my team.

 

[castro]

You don't hold someone if you can afford an up grade, but the upgrade can be strategic to help in the bye structure.

With the keepers I have I need rookies to cover the gaps, they will be in my team anyway. I can trade them sideways prior to round 11 to make sure I have solid round 12/13 bye players in place to rotate out my round 11 keepers.

By round 12 if you can't identify 6 possible sideways trades or even upgrades then something is wrong. There are Crows, Bulldogs & Eagles players not in my team now that fit the bill for surviving round 12. If 2 players are making the same average whay difference does it make if they were in my round 1 side or round 12 side.

The mid-pricers may not score appreciably more than the rookies and to score 6 or so zeros from being unprepared is just sillyness.

If you manage to have rookies in all positions who do score, it is not a bad problem to have. There will be the opportunity to downgrade (after they rise in value) to a cheaper, low scoring player. Thus, allowing upgrades to the main players and still scrounge a few points for the bye.

The trick is to find the undervalued players that turn into keepers, and don't need upgrading.

There are heaps of those types of players. Sloane, Dangerfield, Waters ...... the list goes on.

Out of 10 cheap/undervalued players 2 will turn out worthwhile whether it be an upgrade or keep. Waters is the exception as he did it before ala 2010.(although 100k+ more expensive in 2012). Dangerfield is semi-prem enough to warrant selection and oyu would hope to see a 100K dividend to a premium category given his midfield role. Dangerfield is the the only midprice player I would consider getting this year.

 

[Keystone agony]

You know what I meant.

Just saying that most 'rookies' (purposely selected cows) will be well and truly moo-ing before rd. 11. (12/13)

Holding one simply to cover a zero looks to me to be robbing Peter only to be robbed yourself...

Anyone else finding it hard to understand what this guy is trying to get across?

You make me re read your post a million times, my head explodes every time i read your post.

Just dont get your post. Not having a crack at you as like debating and talking about DT and will do with anyone, but just struggling to comprehend where your coming from or what your trying to get across.

EDIT:

FWIW i understand this post but not the one before it.

Most people will be trading rookies at round 6-8 meaning they have had 4-6 price changes. Than most people will A) keep that rookie that you bring it at round 6-8 through the byes or B) trade them around R11-13 again after 4-6 price changes to another rookie or premium. Whether its A or B will be determined by your situation at that current time.

Also How long have you played DT for, any success? just asking

 

[castro]

Anyone else finding it hard to understand what this guy is trying to get across?

You make me re read your post a million times, my head explodes every time i read your post.

Just dont get your post. Not having a crack at you as like debating and talking about DT and will do with anyone, but just struggling to comprehend where your coming from or what your trying to get across.

EDIT:

FWIW i understand this post but not the one before it.

Most people will be trading rookies at round 6-8 meaning they have had 4-6 price changes. Than most people will A) keep that rookie that you bring it at round 6-8 through the byes or B) trade them around R11-13 again after 4-6 price changes to another rookie or premium. Whether its A or B will be determined by your situation at that current time.

Also How long have you played DT for, any success? just asking

I see your restating Christo's argument in a comprehensive form. But I cant agree that you offlload most rookies in the round 6-8 period. In the 2011 season, players like Stanley, Heppell, I. Smith etc continued to rise midway through the season and some even retained by a lot of teams. Why would it be any different with players like Miles, Ellis, or other mature age recruits.

What would be interesting to know based on prior seasons, is how many rookies, that take the field after round 5 can actually retain their spot and make money or at least provide cover

 

[Keystone agony]

I see your restating Christo's argument in a comprehensive form. But I cant agree that you offlload most rookies in the round 6-8 period. In the 2011 season, players like Stanley, Heppell, I. Smith etc continued to rise midway through the season and some even retained by a lot of teams. Why would it be any different with players like Miles, Ellis, or other mature age recruits.

What would be interesting to know based on prior seasons, is how many rookies, that take the field after round 5 can actually retain their spot and make money or at least provide cover

Thats why your starting squads need to be flexibile like i keep saying so you can keep those rookies and upgrade/downgrade the ones that will suit you better come bye time.

I know i would have been upgrading/downgrading rookies from rounds 5-11 - NO DOUBT last year

 

[MrChristo]

What would be interesting to know based on prior seasons, is how many rookies, that take the field after round 5 can actually retain their spot and make money or at least provide cover

Yeah, absolutely. No argument, but not sure you can plan for such things...(of course you can claim to have a fair idea... )

Sorry, I know I write in a shorthand, sometimes stoopid manner, but seriously, if you can't comprehend my post #49, then I'm not sure how possibly expand it further.

fwiw, I had a top 400 finish 4 years ago and haven't played since. Got suckered in (for various reasons) into spending all my time making SC teams...for some reason this year DT has me hooked again.

Mattrox, couldn't agree more. As I've said all along (seriously, right from the start), that trading during the BYES is the key...people suggesting "strategic" trades before hand seem to be missing a few key points...
...still.

I know i would have been upgrading/downgrading rookies from rounds 5-11 - NO DOUBT last year

And yet you seem willing to accept 'rookie' scores needlessly this year for the sake of a zero.

 

[Keystone agony]

Yeah, absolutely. No argument, but not sure you can plan for such things...(of course you can claim to have a fair idea... )

Sorry, I know I write in a shorthand, sometimes stoopid manner, but seriously, if you can't comprehend my post #49, then I'm not sure how possibly expand it further.

fwiw, I had a top 400 finish 4 years ago and haven't played since. Got suckered in (for various reasons) into spending all my time making SC teams...for some reason this year DT has me hooked again.

Mattrox, couldn't agree more. As I've said all along (seriously, right from the start), that trading during the BYES is the key...people suggesting "strategic" trades before hand seem to be missing a few key points...
...still.

I know i would have been upgrading/downgrading rookies from rounds 5-11 - NO DOUBT last year

And yet you seem willing to accept 'rookie' scores needlessly this year for the sake of a zero.

So your happy to go in with whichever players into the bye round.

So your happy to have 20 R11 players and 5 each each from R12/13?

While i go in with 8/11/11. So i have 22 play R11 while you have 10? Fair enough you will have 22 players for the next round 12 and 13. While i will have to use 6 trades to have 22 for those rounds aswell which i attend to do.

Sorry my brain is all over the place at the moment and ive forgot what your arguing. Your saying you dont have to take byes into account or worry which players you trade in or out leading into the byes whilst i say you do? is that correct?

 

[MrChristo]

Sorry my brain is all over the place at the moment

While i will have to use 6 trades to have 22 for those rounds aswell which i attend to do.

So why post?...

...here or on Club boards pretending to be knower [sic] of all things of all lists?

attend??...seriously...

 

[big bootaaaaah]

auto fill!!!! problem solved bitches

 

[Waspy79]

It's not reckless if you are precise with who and when you execute the trade. It also means early injuries to premium players - or Kerr, Porps etc - will eat into your ability to get through the byes effectively.

I'm done talking about it now.... back to setting up my team.

Your contributions have been noted... and make a lot of sense to me

 

[Butane]

I have to admit that the this years byes are dampening my spirits. I just wish we didn't have to take this in to account.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Expecting 2 donuts at the moment, and depending on my situation come round 5-6, I might look at going for the DP rucks, and have a swing at reducing that. Have totally not looked at it at all, but will sus it out later on.

Anyone expecting more than 2 donuts without injuries has to be insane.

 

[Terlob]

The bye

How is everyone going to deal with the 3 bye rounds this year? It looks like it will be impossible to miss a zero or two over these weeks. I kept the byes in the back of my mind while drafting up my team but I have no idea what to do when the byes eventually come around.

 

[Jezza Jenkins]

Re: The bye

get off the grass

 

[Forward Press]

Re: The bye

Logically, one third of all teams are taking a break.

In Dream Team terms, on average 10 players will be missing. Considering you have an eight man bench, on average there are two zeros per week.

You have three trades to cover those average of two zeroes. With players getting suspended, injured, dropped etc etc I think it's almost certain that there will be donuts. Not to mention late withdrawals as well with very little emergency cover.

Just deal with it the best you can and budget 9 trades for those three weeks - you will need them.

Also I might need to lay off the coffee.

 

[Keystone agony]

Re: The bye

Think we already have a thread for this.

I think i have decided to sideways trade/upgrade premiums to other premiums who i think will score better from there on and also save me a zero.

Remember you probably only need to use 6 trades, not 9. As you can go into R11 with 22 players already playing for that round than just need to deal with R12 and 13.

I think by having not too many premiums from the R11 bye you can do an upgrade/downgrade for that first bye round (11) for me this is another reason why i didnt pick Cox and why Cox is a target to upgrade to for the round after.

I think its also important to make sure the players you trade in from rounds 7-10 are not players you are going to sideways trade during the bye rounds to other premiums, eg: they need to be the best of the best.

Byes will make it interesting whoever does the best from round 3-13 will win this game this year. After that it will be fairly common occurrences to the person next to you as to what they will be doing.