So when the ball is inside 50 he’s kicking goals and when he’s outside the F50 he’s one of the best 10 kicks in the comp
Sigh, you just gave Daniel his next target - poor Wilmot!
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So when the ball is inside 50 he’s kicking goals and when he’s outside the F50 he’s one of the best 10 kicks in the comp
So when the ball is inside 50 he’s kicking goals and when he’s outside the F50 he’s one of the best 10 kicks in the comp
It would seem that Danster would like his cake and eat it as usual to make his nebulous point. Probably just on-going Salt that the Lions have gone past the Dee's over the last few seasons. If you are going to argue a position at least make it consistent.
You are going back to the 80’s looking at pure stats. Clueless. You are comparing Rayner’s hard fought ball and a couple of fend offs and a 50 metre goal to an easy one out the back. Both = 1 goalIts actually pretty similar to yours so not all that much fun
Not at all. I use the eye test. Then use stats to confirm what I see. I haven't even referred to Rayners game on the weekend so what are you talking about? I acknowledged he played a good game. But you're kidding yourself if you think that a good game or even 4 good games erases 6 years of being barely afl calibre. I think if he wasn't the number 1 pick he would've been in and out of the team the last 5 years.You are going back to the 80’s looking at pure stats. Clueless. You are comparing Rayner’s hard fought ball and a couple of fend offs and a 50 metre goal to an easy one out the back. Both = 1 goal
Not at all. I use the eye test. Then use stats to confirm what I see. I haven't even referred to Rayners game on the weekend so what are you talking about? I acknowledged he played a good game. But you're kidding yourself if you think that a good game or even 4 good games erases 6 years of being barely afl calibre. I think if he wasn't the number 1 pick he would've been in and out of the team the last 5 years.
Must be an in-house role that he's playing that only Fages knows about. Like a defensive forward or something.“6 years of barely AFL calibre” - finished 5th in the BnF last year. This does not compute.
You can “think” all you want, it doesn’t make it any less detached from reality.
You know what I am talking about? The things that don’t hit the stats sheet in a footy game. Don’t be naive. Surely you’ve played a lot of footy the way you go on.Not at all. I use the eye test. Then use stats to confirm what I see. I haven't even referred to Rayners game on the weekend so what are you talking about? I acknowledged he played a good game. But you're kidding yourself if you think that a good game or even 4 good games erases 6 years of being barely afl calibre. I think if he wasn't the number 1 pick he would've been in and out of the team the last 5 years.
Must be an in-house role that he's playing that only Fages knows about. Like a defensive forward or something.
you realise half your fan base wanted him dropped twice this year? End of Round 9 and end of round 11? I'll repeat what your fellow posters said:I appreciate that you have acknowledged he’s doing valuable things you are completely unaware of.
I appreciate that you have acknowledged he’s doing valuable things you are completely unaware
Tough to deal with this Danster guy. He compares a Fritsch stat with a Rayner stat. That is a simpleton approach and is probably why he is the only person defending himself.I appreciate that you have acknowledged he’s doing valuable things you are completely unaware of.
you realise half your fan base wanted him dropped twice this year? End of Round 9 and end of round 11? I'll repeat what your fellow posters said:
“I don't think we can continue to play Cam or retain him on the list if he isn't playing as the third tall and/ or given significant midfield time”
“Cam Rayner the sub”
“I agree with you. If Rayner was plonked in the twos for the rest of the season, we would certainly not be left wondering if he had the drive/hunger to take it to the next level. Would be an interesting experiment, and could be the catalyst to give us some return on the club's investment in him.”
“I'm going nuclear and putting Rayner in the 2's for a few weeks and telling him to bust his gut running around.”
“Personally I think Rayner's game against Melbourne has been overrated, both here and in the media. People have been waiting 6 years for a break out game from a #1 pick and jumped on the smallest glimpse.”
“I just cannot see a role for Rayner in the near future.”
“Time to drop Rayner. Offers absolutely nothing and has been the worst on ground”
“McCluggage and Rayner. Two blokes who you thought would take us to the next level. Both seem to have regressed let alone stagnated”
“Any of Bruce, Answerth, Rayner or Ah Chee could work as subs”
“I really think we need to trade Rayner. I’ve always hated the player that is labelled ‘mercurial’. 1 good game so far this season. Enough!”
“Genuinely perplexed Rayner continues to get a game, I’m putting it down to the fact we have no one else that could step up for him.”
because you make it sound as if my opinions are isolated when in reality even Brisbane fans acknowledge that he hasn't been afl calibre several times this year.What relevance does this have regarding my own evaluations of Cam as a player and his future potential?
"The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them knows anything about the subject."
Half our fan base is now a few posters on Big Footy. FFS. This is ridiculous. I am going to give myself an uppercut for reading this crapyou realise half your fan base wanted him dropped twice this year? End of Round 9 and end of round 11? I'll repeat what your fellow posters said:
“I don't think we can continue to play Cam or retain him on the list if he isn't playing as the third tall and/ or given significant midfield time”
“Cam Rayner the sub”
“I agree with you. If Rayner was plonked in the twos for the rest of the season, we would certainly not be left wondering if he had the drive/hunger to take it to the next level. Would be an interesting experiment, and could be the catalyst to give us some return on the club's investment in him.”
“I'm going nuclear and putting Rayner in the 2's for a few weeks and telling him to bust his gut running around.”
“Personally I think Rayner's game against Melbourne has been overrated, both here and in the media. People have been waiting 6 years for a break out game from a #1 pick and jumped on the smallest glimpse.”
“I just cannot see a role for Rayner in the near future.”
“Time to drop Rayner. Offers absolutely nothing and has been the worst on ground”
“McCluggage and Rayner. Two blokes who you thought would take us to the next level. Both seem to have regressed let alone stagnated”
“Any of Bruce, Answerth, Rayner or Ah Chee could work as subs”
“I really think we need to trade Rayner. I’ve always hated the player that is labelled ‘mercurial’. 1 good game so far this season. Enough!”
“Genuinely perplexed Rayner continues to get a game, I’m putting it down to the fact we have no one else that could step up for him.”
it's not a few. I showed you about 10. and yes 10 bigfooty supporters who are usually passionate, knowledgeable footy fans. You realise you are also a bigfooty poster.Half our fan base is now a few posters on Big Footy. FFS. This is ridiculous. I am going to give myself an uppercut for reading this crap
because you make it sound as if my opinions are isolated when in reality even Brisbane fans acknowledge that he hasn't been afl calibre several times this year.
it's not spruiking .2017 was an incredibly good draft. incredibly good. There's 20 guys that have previously or are currently in AA conversations, a bunch of guys that are probably worth about 800k+. You can definitely make a case for Rayner to be at 34. But there is no sound argument for Rayner to be anywhere near the top 20 unless it's out of pure bias.Your opinions aren’t isolated, but no opinion is. It doesn’t make them any less obsessive or extreme, either.
There is quite clearly nothing that will change your mind - you have no intention of acknowledging the value Rayner adds to his team. In 2023 he was considered the 5th most valuable player in a team that was a coin-flip away from a premiership. Yet you spent all of that year slagging him off, calling him a spud, and questioning his effort.
In 2024, I’d wager that he’s tracking even better in the BnF, in a side once again looking to threaten for a premiership. And your tune hasn’t changed in the slightest.
I have whittled it down to 3 options. You are either:
- being a troll
- blinded by hatred
- or genuinely believe you know more, and are a better judge of talent and impact, than an entire club of professionals
If it’s the first - well played. If it’s the second - I’m sorry. If it’s the third - really? Pause and think about that for a moment.
Would I pay pick 1 on the open market, based on exposed form? Of course not - but his value is far more than the pick 34 or whatever it is you’re spruiking.
I (and many others) will continue to enjoy watching him play. He’s only 24 - his consistency is improving all the time. At last he is settling into a role that allows him to play to his strengths, and has just strung together the strongest 7-game patch of his career - including one stark reminder of his BOG-capability.
I believe he’s just getting started, and there is plenty more to come - I have nothing more to add.
Not to mention the forward pressure that got Bailey his goal.2 goals so far, are we in agreement he needs to go 30 touches and 6 goals today to be relevant?
I'd definitely be happy if he kept this form up for the rest of the year. Sorry I accept mediocrity Dannyboy.2 goals and 2 goal assists off 12 disposals is a pretty good half. Been some impressive consistent form from Rayner now