Can anyone shed some light.....?

[rowdybrown26]

Question for you all. At most games this season i've noticed that as soon as a player kicks a goal for the Pies, they go straight to the bench afterwards.

The runner doesn't seem to get to all of them before that goal so I wonder, is this is a strategy that the players know about already?

Kick a goal and you're off for a rest? I've chatted about it with others in the crowd who have wondered the same.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Frederlick]

Question for you all. At most games this season i've noticed that as soon as a player kicks a goal for the Pies, they go straight to the bench afterwards.

The runner doesn't seem to get to all of them before that goal so I wonder, is this is a strategy that the players know about already?

Kick a goal and you're off for a rest? I've chatted about it with others in the crowd who have wondered the same.

What are your thoughts?

I have noticed also, but I think you will find it is usually on ballers or small forwards, not usually KPP like Cloke and Rocca and normally only early in the game, doesn't happen as a matter of course in the later quarters. I could be wrong as, probably like yourself, I often miss some of the interchange moves but yes, usually have a standard operating procedure to rest especially early in the game. I guess there must be a physiological or psychological reason for resting them early after the goal. Are there any large brained people out there who know more about this?

 

[EddieforPresident]

I cant, but Ive also noticed sometimes when a player stuffs up he might come off then someone comes up to him and talks and listens to them for a while. It seem like some type of therapy

 

[Paul.]

I've definately noticed this...

I'm only guessing but I think it's a conditioning thing? You play 75% of the game at a higher pace in comparison to 100% at a lower overall capacity?

 

[swiftdog]

I've noticed it as well but it is not only Collingwood players who do it.

 

[mdc]

My guess would be that some players tend to struggle when they come back on after a break...if you go to the bench immediately after kicking a goal, the last image you have in your mind is that of kicking a goal...so when you come back on you're full of confidence.
It might also be something more physical like keeping heart-rate down.

 

[donkeyballs]

Possibly to deny the opposition coach the opportunity to make an immediate matchup change on the goal kicker?? It only ever happens after a set shot doesn't it? Maybe the belief is that while a player is lining up for a set shot the opposition coach has the best opportunity to pick the best matchup on a player who's been damaging. To take him from the field immediately counters that.

This is probably way off the mark ...

 

[Dazman]

Nah it sounds logical. If Pendles streams forward and kicks a goal and Ross Lyon instructs the runner to put Baker on him and Pendles runs off it'll muck around with the match-ups at the next stoppage.

 

[Frederlick]

Possibly to deny the opposition coach the opportunity to make an immediate matchup change on the goal kicker?? It only ever happens after a set shot doesn't it? Maybe the belief is that while a player is lining up for a set shot the opposition coach has the best opportunity to pick the best matchup on a player who's been damaging. To take him from the field immediately counters that.

This is probably way off the mark ...

Maybe not, if it is true can we work out the rotation of the players remaining on the field to cover the player going off ,or will it depend on who comes off? For example I have seen Fraser come off after a goal, so does that mean that Richards comes on? What if they are only playing one ruck? Does that mean Fraser stays on no matter what? But if it is a small player coming off and Fraser comes on, does that mean that a small player automatically pushes into the gap to fill it. Maybe Maxwells never ending nomadic roaming of both the forwrd and backline is part of this chess game that covers the player that has moved to cover the player coming off? Super computer territory eventually me thinks. Interesting post, and all part of the rich tapestry of footy.....blah, blah.

 

[Jabso]

This happens at a lot of clubs. I have a small theory that it is so the coach can tell them that while you got a goal you left your oponent in a dangerous position, or perhaps just to give them a message to keep doing that.

 

[donkeyballs]

It's probably just that the runner has been told to get them off at the next opportunity and it just happens to be after the player himself kicks a goal. Changes only ever occur at convenient times (ie when the ball's up the other end or the player is near the interchange or at a major stoppage like a goal) and maybe it's just more noticeable when this happens.

 

[MarkT]

Happens at all clubs. I think it is generally that players have been told they are off at the next chance or the runner has been told to get the player off at the next break in play which happens to coincide with their goal. In reality midfield players get interchanged regularly so some of these will coincide with goals. I’d like to see coaches with a bit more flexibility and send the runner out some times to tell the player to stay on. Kicking a goal is a good pump up. Coaches pay a lot of attention to fitness staff and as a consequence sometimes coach to time interval plans ahead of match situations. Similarly with training regimes coaches are reluctant to go against training load plans and drop in extra kicking work for fear of pulling hamstrings.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Happens at all clubs. I think it is generally that players have been told they are off at the next chance or the runner has been told to get the player off at the next break in play which happens to coincide with their goal. In reality midfield players get interchanged regularly so some of these will coincide with goals. I’d like to see coaches with a bit more flexibility and send the runner out some times to tell the player to stay on. Kicking a goal is a good pump up. Coaches pay a lot of attention to fitness staff and as a consequence sometimes coach to time interval plans ahead of match situations. Similarly with training regimes coaches are reluctant to go against training load plans and drop in extra kicking work for fear of pulling hamstrings.

I reckon this is one of the reasons kicking at goal hasn't improved despite professionalism, technology, and improved coaching methods. Coaches are terrified that increased kicking practice will result in a rash of OP.

I'm surprised that goalkickers aren't exempted from some training in order to allow them greater goalkicking practice. Keep the workload at the same overall level, but shuffle it around so that our forwards have a lesser training load in some areas so that they can have more goalkicking practice. A four or five percent improvement in goalkicking accuracy from our regular forwards could have a dramatic impact on our win-loss ratio.

I guess this must've been workshopped by our coaching, fitness, and medical staff. But I wonder, given some of our kicking at goal this year, if we've struck the right balance?

 

[3066]

It's probably just that the runner has been told to get them off at the next opportunity and it just happens to be after the player himself kicks a goal. Changes only ever occur at convenient times (ie when the ball's up the other end or the player is near the interchange or at a major stoppage like a goal) and maybe it's just more noticeable when this happens.

Yeah I'd go along with this observation.