Captain: It's Fraser or Maxwell

[MarkT]

Because the club needs to think to the future.

You have given me nothing except cliché. You didn’t answer the question.

All clubs always need to think of the future but it is all relative. We have to give ourselves the best chance to take this years opportunity. We might not have an opportunity in 2 or 3 years.

In any event, in the future, who captains Collingwood this year will make no difference to the capability of whoever captains Collingwood between 2010 and 2020. It could, however detrimentally impact on a Fraser tyring to get fit and win his position, a Maxwell trying to cope with giving away free kicks or being forced to play FB or CHB in the absence of Presti or a Heath Shaw trying to establish himself as a genuine top flight AFL player. Any of those would be better equipped in 12 or even more so 24 months time to captain. Alternatively someone else might emerge as the best choice.

The West Indies used to attack the captain on the basis that they could best attack the side if the undermine the captain. The Israelis have a saying that you kill a snake by cutting off its head. Anyone but Burns leaves us exposed. That is quite apart from the folly of the theory that you accept second best this year because this years best may not be available next year.

 

[Smoky]

I heard Scott Burns on radio a month or so back. Was left with the distinct impression he would love to captain Collingwood. As I have said numerous times he is so far and away the best candidate that if anyone is chosen then our decision makers need replacement.

If you are talking about the SEN interview he said those exact words:- If I was asked to Captain Collingwood I would love to do it. He should do it.

 

[MarkT]

If you are talking about the SEN interview he said those exact words:- If I was asked to Captain Collingwood I would love to do it. He should do it.

I think it was 3aw but I’m not positive.

 

[Big Bucks]

I think it was 3aw but I’m not positive.

I can,t believe the Club has not laid this Captaincy issue to bed by now.
Burns is the man, he wants it, he deserves it, and he is by far and away the only true leader of this Club at this present time.
Heater,Cloke and Pendles time will come.
Fraser is no leader
Maxwell is a limited footballer.

 

[Thommo 42]

I can,t believe the Club has not laid this Captaincy issue to bed by now.
Burns is the man, he wants it, he deserves it, and he is by far and away the only true leader of this Club at this present time.
Heater,Cloke and Pendles time will come.
Fraser is no leader
Maxwell is a limited footballer.

Burns is the best option, but there is no need to denigrate others in making this judgement. Fraser would make a fine captain, and would be my 2nd choice by a significant margin.

 

[Smoky]

I can,t believe the Club has not laid this Captaincy issue to bed by now.
Burns is the man, he wants it, he deserves it, and he is by far and away the only true leader of this Club at this present time.
Heater,Cloke and Pendles time will come.
Fraser is no leader
Maxwell is a limited footballer.

Burns already plays like a captain.

If Josh was made Captain and rose to the challenge and played like a Captain with an increased desire and desparation we would probably win the flag.

My personal choice is Burns, but if josh gets the nod I really look forward to seeing him rise to the challenge

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Interesting choice of words in the Sun today. They say its "a four way tussle between Scott Burns and Tarkyn Lockyer, plus Josh Fraser and Nick Maxwell". It might have just been a clumsy sentence, but they imply that Burns and Lockyer are the front-runners, and the other two are just behind the pace.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

In order, my preferences are

Burns

daylight

more daylight

Fraser

Maxwell

Heath Shaw

Lockyer

This time next year I expect H Shaw, Pendlebury and Cloke to join/climb the list.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

i wanted to create a new thread for this, but apparantly i'm not allowed to just yet (because im a newbie i guess??)

Pies Captain Likely to be Announced This Week

Burns, 33, has played 247 games for the Magpies and commands a lot of respect from the player group, as does Lockyer, 28.

The alternative is to go for a long-term leader as the Magpies did with Buckley, which brings Fraser, 26, or Maxwell, 24, into calculations.

 

[MarkT]

Heresy perhaps but it was a mistake appointing Buckley when we did. He wasn’t ready. The leadership training we gave him when we realised he was deficient should have preceded his replacement of Brown.

 

[skeetz]

 

[goalpie]

The fact that it has taken so long to choose a captain is a disgrace.

 

[Skade]

The fact that it has taken so long to choose a captain is a disgrace.

Oh, FFS just be patient.















Its so obvious Tooves will be the man.

 

[OniAu]

burnnnnnnnnnnssssssssss

 

[Godfrey Jones]

The fact that it has taken so long to choose a captain is a disgrace.

FFS< how is it a disgrace. I think the club is handling it very well...

It's like when everybody was on Judd's back for the length of time he took to decide which club he wants to move to...learn to be patient.


and thank your lucky stars that the problem we're having is too many good options, rather than carlscum having to resort to someone like whitnall for lack of a better option

 

[Pie eyed]

MarkT,


I don't think the world of sport was quite as up on "transitional training", "media grooming" and the like when Bucks was made captain....even then it was a simpler, more "think inside the square" type of world.

You are probably right though, he was chucked in at the deep end.
To Buck's credit I think he was a very good captain though.



Heresy....yes.

 

[MarkT]

I don't think the world of sport was quite as up on "transitional training", "media grooming" and the like when Bucks was made captain....even then it was a simpler, more "think inside the square" type of world.

The real issue was his relationship and interaction with the players. That took some work. To his credit he did the work and became a very good leader of our club but he was not nearly ready when given the gig. People really do underestimate the role of captaincy. I am convinced it is one of the flaws in St. Kilda’s makeup in recent years. If you ever hear Wayne Schwas speak about Carey and his leadership on and off the field you will get a feel for what I mean. I know off field Carey is a train wreck now but when it was needed he took the players out, they let of steam and went back to train on what they needed to do.

 

[Big Bucks]

FFS< how is it a disgrace. I think the club is handling it very well...

It's like when everybody was on Judd's back for the length of time he took to decide which club he wants to move to...learn to be patient.


and thank your lucky stars that the problem we're having is too many good options, rather than carlscum having to resort to someone like whitnall for lack of a better option

Thats quite funny, i like your sense of humour.

 

[Pie eyed]

I agree with what you are saying.
But I think most young captains failings are directly related to youth and lack of experience, on-field and off.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

Thats quite funny, i like your sense of humour.

i cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not


but i really do believe that we have too many good options, lol

Personally, I don't consider Maxwell a good option and am quite scared that he is being considered...

 

[MarkT]

I agree with what you are saying.
But I think most young captains failings are directly related to youth and lack of experience, on-field and off.

That half my concern with nominating someone other than Burns and particularly why I’d like to buy a year or two for someone like Heath Shaw. In Buckley’s case it was also partly due to his personality. The same as why he got dubbed FIGJAM at Brisbane. He wasn’t the average new draftee. I think that is something the club should have recognised and addressed. It eventually did. It may have cost us Paul Williams although that is speculative based on unsubstantiated rumours.

 

[beez]

Read The Hun tomorrow and all will be revealed!