Carlton Reality check.

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TheGeneral said:
Who is Griggs?

Hampson, Grigg and Anderson are ordinary, battlers and headed for delisting? He didn't say that

I could label Hislop, Lonergan, Dempsey, Neagle and Jetta ordinary and battlers when they've shown nothing startling. Yes you could

But they've been playing for just two or three seasons and should get the benefit of the doubt.

You have no idea.

You beat us, but you're still going to be a poor side when you lose Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher who make your side tick and are irreplaceable. Oh, here we go again. They are crap ordinary over the hill players when we are losing but as soon as we win a game they are what makes us tick and irreplaceable. For what it is worth how do you know that Neagle and Gumbleton won't be ready to take their place in two years time?

Browne has shown more than Reimers did in his first year and was a bargain at pick 36. Browne looks a handy player but he is always going to be a toiler. Reimers looks like he could be anything

Edwards is just twenty and Hartlett hasn't been able to get on the park due to injury. Correct. They should be given time.

You criticise our young players, but who are the Essendon players who are going to be A graders in three years? Time will tell. Hopefully a couple will emerge out of the likes of Ryder, Neagle, Gumbleton, Reimers, Houli, Myers, Pears, Dempsey, Lonergan, Jetta and a few others.


You call our draw soft, yet Collingwood humiliated you this year.
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You can only play to your draw and you need to beat the top teams to win the flag but Carlton has had a far easier draw then Essendon. You can't argue with that.
 
TheGeneral said:
Who is Griggs?

Hampson, Grigg and Anderson are ordinary, battlers and headed for delisting?

I could label Hislop, Lonergan, Dempsey, Neagle and Jetta ordinary and battlers when they've shown nothing startling.

But they've been playing for just two or three seasons and should get the benefit of the doubt.

You have no idea.

You beat us, but you're still going to be a poor side when you lose Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher who make your side tick and are irreplaceable.

Browne has shown more than Reimers did in his first year and was a bargain at pick 36.

Edwards is just twenty and Hartlett hasn't been able to get on the park due to injury.

You criticise our young players, but who are the Essendon players who are going to be A graders in three years?

The only one I can see is Gumbleton and he's struggling to play games like Hartlett.

I'd rather have a list with Judd, Fevola, Kreuzer, Gibbs and Murphy and the rest who are coming through.

You call our draw soft, yet Collingwood humiliated you this year.
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If you have watched any of our games this season you would noticed that Lonergan has been our most improved player this season in the middle. He wins his own hard ball and gets enough of the ball to be damaging.
Neagle, who has had no preseason, been injured throughout the year and all of last year, has played about 7 games and kicked more than two goals in 6 of them.
The other three players you mentioned there will be good players and are developing nicely considering the injuries they've had.
Comparing Brownes first year with REimers' is stupid considering Reimers played his first game against carlton last year in round 20.

And Whoever said Carazzo is a good player must really rate turning it over 20 times a match and waiting outside the packs for cheap possies.

Essendon will have a better overall team that carlton in a few years. Carlton will have a few stars, like st kilda did...but the bombers will have overall quality around the ground.
 

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wegs on pendles said:
And murphy has had an efficientcy of 57% in one week and 44% in another in the past 2 weeks. Gets plenty of the ball wtf does he do with it though.
Gibbs enough said:thumbsdown:
Stevens ate my baby:(
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Gibbs and Murphy both have poor disposal for such high draft picks but i reckon they will end up being pretty good.
 
i think that the both of them need to get used to having the pressure put on them when juddy isn performing... it is going to be down to murphy gibbs russel stevens etc to get it to fev... as they develop they will not worry as much and thier disposal will get better...
 
bombaman said:
cmon carlton fans... Sore losers board...
Essendon played great today and you were well beaten. The game was there for the winning and we won it fair and square. Have the balls to accept it.
None of this you didnt win it we lost it rubbish. Looks like our development is a little more fast tracked than your 8 year effort. :D
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wat do u expect us to do? jst lay back and cop it? maybe if all of the stuff on here was accurate... but there has been sh!t talking from both sides i.e "u/13's" and "judd was smashed by welsh"
 
GuzzLG said:
In denial.

We've played all of the top 4. You've yet to play Hawthorn, Doggies or Sydney.

You've played all of the bottom 3. We haven't played Melbourne or Freo yet.

We're better than you, our kids are better than yours. Suck it up.
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have to agree with that
carlton supporters were getting a bit ahead of themselves when they beat the bottom 3 teams
great reality check on the weekend
essendon were by far the better team all day. scoreboard flattered carlton a little
hille and monfries tore carlton apart
 

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Brad Pearce said:
Gibbs' disposal efficiency is constantly 80-100%. Personally i think you're talking out of your ass. Read the stats sheet before you make pathetic assumptions like that:eek:
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So is Jobe Watson's.

I personally think you spend too much time reading stats and not enough time watching the football. :thumbsu:
 
Brad Pearce said:
Gibbs' disposal efficiency is constantly 80-100%. Personally i think you're talking out of your ass. Read the stats sheet before you make pathetic assumptions like that:eek:
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Are you serious? That level of efficiency is considered elite in the AFL. I found it hilarious that you put "-100%". Absolute load of crock.

Gibbs' efficiency would be 70-75% if he's lucky, and lets not forget he's played quite a lot of footy down back this season, and the efficiency stat will no doubt be boosted by Carlton's so called "tempo footy".

That said, Gibbs is not a bad kick. Murphy on the other hand...
 
PendlePie said:
Are you serious? That level of efficiency is considered elite in the AFL. I found it hilarious that you put "-100%". Absolute load of crock.

Gibbs' efficiency would be 70-75% if he's lucky, and lets not forget he's played quite a lot of footy down back this season, and the efficiency stat will no doubt be boosted by Carlton's so called "tempo footy".

That said, Gibbs is not a bad kick. Murphy on the other hand...
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And he isn't a good kick either.
 
carmi99 said:
Just to clarify i never said Gibbs is a bad kick. I said that for such a high draft pick he doesn't have great skills.
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thats true... he is a bit like murphy, his effort and guts more than consolidate his lack of refined skills and gibbs has grown the ability to play all around the ground including the tagging role, which is great for someone his age. he's really taken on his responsibilities well
 
gouldy_34 said:
thats true... he is a bit like murphy, his effort and guts more than consolidate his lack of refined skills and gibbs has grown the ability to play all around the ground including the tagging role, which is great for someone his age. he's really taken on his responsibilities well
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Yes Gibbs will be a very good player for Carlton. He has grown in stature this year and will continue to do so as he gains more experience. Just don't see why people need to pump him up by saying he consistantly averages 80-100% kicking accuracy. :thumbsu:
 
carmi99 said:
Yes Gibbs will be a very good player for Carlton. He has grown in stature this year and will continue to do so as he gains more experience. Just don't see why people need to pump him up by saying he consistantly averages 80-100% kicking accuracy. :thumbsu:
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mehh.. i dont pay to much attention to the stats, as long as he stops his opponents from getting 80-100% percent then im happy:D
 
Thrawn said:
How many of those possessions were to space? How many of them were out of packs? All possessions of that nature are counted as "ineffective".
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He was responding to a Carlton poster who said that Gibbs and Murphy both consistantly have 80%-100% efficiency. Gibbs is a great young player but he certainly doesn't have the brilliant disposal that many Carlton folk claim he has. He has average disposal but this will not hinder him because he has so many positive attributes.
 

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