No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[Let's Fly Jetstar!]

I don't think the AFL want this dominating headlines through finals.. so I agree.. makes no sense on their behalf.

IT COULD (and this is MY opinion ONLY) be something like this though:
let's say 3 player managers have contacted ALFPA about this 'clause' or 'option' for 'their clients'.. each of those managers work for companies that manage say, 5 EFC players each.. that means that *technically* you could write the sentence "Up to 15 EFC players may be looking to use exit clause"

The *reality* might be closer to: 1 player manager had 1 specific fringe player who wanted to leave anyway cause not getting a game, 1 player manager was looking into the clause because they reckon their player could get maybe more money at another club because they just had a break out year and 1 player manager was really just looking at it as an option to try and encourage the club to increase the offer to some of his other clients/general curiousity" so the reality is "2 players might be looking for new homes next year and this option might be the quickest and safest way for them to do so at this time possibly"

Both can be written.. and no one knows if either are the truth or lie...

Does it plant a seed in the public / players minds though? all it takes is the Age to run whatever they want like this, say they say 15 players, the rest of the media pack then follow and label it a fair enough decision which leads footy society to go along the lines of "SO THEY SHOULD LEAVE, ESSINGTON SHOULD BURN FOR WHAT THEM DID", it then comes back and some players go "well, i can see i'm not gonna be chastised for being disloyal, maybe I'll consider it, i'll talk to the guys"... furthermore, in the instance where one or two players are privately thinking about it, and they "hear" or "read" that 15 people are thinking about it as well, my theory of revolution says it gains more traction and they grow more confident in their decision even if its bullshit

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Sif they'd drop that bombshell on election day.

They will wait for a lull in the news. Maybe next thursday.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

I imagine the club has already done this process behind closed doors.

The club have been, from all reports, really open through out this year and gone about it really professionally, so i'm pretty sure they know exactly what is going on.

High risk strategy to announce in a press conference though... the REAL issue is other clubs 'poaching' players by offering huge amounts of money to contracted players.. and those players leaving, not cause of any BS concerns about safety.. but to chase the $$.

The only thing that makes me think that won't happen.. is that we have a really loyal group who have just endured three years of raid attempts by GC and GWS.. and how many left? Was that 0?

This is my issue here. If players really want to break contract to leave based upon what happened next year. Then they should be free to apply to the draft. Not just become unrestricted free agents.

What a farce the AFL have been during this whole issue.

How many more 'punishments' do we need to have, after the actual punishment.

Last week it was the no father-sons, now it is 'poaching season is open'.

Based upon that Judge's reaction in the Reid case, we should have taken these dicks to court. As soon as the Libs get into govt ASADA is going to be completely pulled apart and re-built anyway.

 

[Pweter]

Sif they'd drop that bombshell on election day.

They will wait for a lull in the news. Maybe next thursday.

Labour wants as much distraction from it's pending crushing defeat as possible. Wouldn't put this beyond them.

 

[Pweter]

Does it plant a seed in the public / players minds though? all it takes is the Age to run whatever they want like this, say they say 15 players, the rest of the media pack then follow and label it a fair enough decision which leads footy society to go along the lines of "SO THEY SHOULD LEAVE, ESSINGTON SHOULD BURN FOR WHAT THEM DID", it then comes back and some players go "well, i can see i'm not gonna be chastised for being disloyal, maybe I'll consider it, i'll talk to the guys"... furthermore, in the instance where one or two players are privately thinking about it, and they "hear" or "read" that 15 people are thinking about it as well, my theory of revolution says it gains more traction and they grow more confident in their decision even if its bullshit

Anyone would think you've read a story where this sporting club was under investigation, some ******* journo asked a senior officer from that sports governing body whether points could be stripped, the senior officer said it was an option, public opinion lapped up the prospect, then the CEO said it won't happen, public opinion grew, then several months later it more or less happened.

 

[rines]

This is my issue here. If players really want to break contract to leave based upon what happened next year. Then they should be free to apply to the draft. Not just become unrestricted free agents.

What a farce the AFL have been during this whole issue.

How many more 'punishments' do we need to have, after the actual punishment.

Last week it was the no father-sons, now it is 'poaching season is open'.

Based upon that Judge's reaction in the Reid case, we should have taken these dicks to court. As soon as the Libs get into govt ASADA is going to be completely pulled apart and re-built anyway.

Excellent post on many many levels.

If they want to leave fine.. but then they have to nominate for the draft and EFC is not allowed to 'take' them.. or they become 'unrestricted' free agents.. with normal compensation rules to apply.

This all stinks and just starts stinking more and more.. AFL are a pack of dicks..

 

[dougyboy]

This is my issue here. If players really want to break contract to leave based upon what happened next year. Then they should be free to apply to the draft. Not just become unrestricted free agents.

What a farce the AFL have been during this whole issue.

How many more 'punishments' do we need to have, after the actual punishment.

Last week it was the no father-sons, now it is 'poaching season is open'.

Based upon that Judge's reaction in the Reid case, we should have taken these dicks to court. As soon as the Libs get into govt ASADA is going to be completely pulled apart and re-built anyway.

I Think Ess will get a huge boost when the Doc plays this out. We played by the other clubs wishes took our punishment. The Doc is taking the heat. And he's 1 tough cookie!!

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

This is my issue here. If players really want to break contract to leave based upon what happened next year. Then they should be free to apply to the draft. Not just become unrestricted free agents.

What a farce the AFL have been during this whole issue.

How many more 'punishments' do we need to have, after the actual punishment.

Last week it was the no father-sons, now it is 'poaching season is open'.

Based upon that Judge's reaction in the Reid case, we should have taken these dicks to court. As soon as the Libs get into govt ASADA is going to be completely pulled apart and re-built anyway.

We will see the AFL change their stance once Essendon becomes the new Melbourne FC.

 

[rines]

I think we, the EFC BF community, are pretty good judges of player performances. As such I then think that the BF MVP award is a good representation of our best players for the year.

Looking at the Top 15 places, then establish the likelihood of leaving under this 'clause':
Watson - None
Hibberd - None
Heppell - None
Goddard - None
Carlisle - None
Melksham - None
Stanton - Slim
Hooker - None
Hurley - None
Dempsey - Slim
Zaka - None
Hocking - None
Bagualey - Moderate
Ryder - Moderate
TBell - Slim

So basically I figure anyone outside our top 15 is 'expendable' if you like anyway.. the first thing you notice is that the 'chances' get higher, the lower on the list you get. Essentially supporting the theory that our guns are committed.

The other factor being forgotton is that most teams (other than the AFL love children) have the same salary cap issues we do.. and that means that this public perception that all these clubs can just come and 'poach' talent from everywhere is misguided. Take a Freo.. do you really think they have a spare 600K in their cap to pay for say, a Ryder, when they have 2 operating Ruckmen already with a 3rd waiting in the reserves?? Would make no sense.

Every year everyone expects (or the media promotes) that ALL these movement is going to happen.. and it does.. for the fringe players going from one fringe to the other.. how many stars actually got traded last year? How many stars actually went under FA.. i think Goddard was the biggest one by far...

This myth of 'player movement'.. is just that.. a myth. I have complete confidence the the core and spine of our team is safe and committed to our club.

 

[dougyboy]

Monfries? free agent to ESS?

 

[Kaiser Powser]

I Think Ess will get a huge boost when the Doc plays this out. We played by the other clubs wishes took our punishment. The Doc is taking the heat. And he's 1 tough cookie!!

The Judge basically suggested that the AFL should strongly re-consider letting an independant arbiter listen to the case. Roughly translated; 'you have no case and your arse will be handed to you, make a deal now to save some face'. The AFL denied this offer, stating that it must be heard and controlled in-house. Dictatorship's in the past have proven that to survive you must retain complete power and quickly crush anyone that does not follow. And this is the playbook they seem to operate from.

 

[DonsRule]

I don't know how Lance handles that day after day.

I'm curious too as to where this belief Ryder might be one that wants out comes from?

 

[HirdyLannister]

I've been pretty upbeat about all of this since the penalties were handed down, but the prospect of losing players has probably gotten me more down today than I've been pretty much since February. Having a god awful day at work probably isn't helping.

Seen your follow up post rines and I hope like hell you're right.

Ditto, because we are on the verge of greatness and if players do leave the house of cards will come crashing down.

All along my priorities have been about keeping the list happy so they stay all together.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Monfries? free agent to ESS?

No, but we should definitely get in Jack Trengroves ear.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Labour wants as much distraction from it's pending crushing defeat as possible. Wouldn't put this beyond them.

The AGE is too busy running 'Labor GOOD, Tony BAD' articles to actually run something that will draw focus from their campaign. Maybe on Sunday once they accept defeat they will publish it.

 

[rines]

On that.. checking the 2012 trade period..
The only real meaningful names for FA deals were Goddard, Pearce and Moloney
The only real names for trades were Monfries, Lake and Wellingham..

Other than that.. it is all guys ranked in the bottom 10-15 of their club lists being traded for picks 50 etc etc..

The reason for this real lack of activity.. despite months of trading times and the sparkly new toy of FA.. is that most players don't like moving clubs.. and clubs don't let go of real talent and that most clubs simply do not have the money in their salary cap to 'poach' players.. most salary cap is used to retain your 'home grown' talent and keep your own list together.

But oh well.. I guess this will sell a few more newspapers for people.. and add to the foamers fun..

 

[Vic Roads]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but if players have enquired about being able to leave the footy club wouldn't this be a confidential conversation ?. Did AD need to tell all and sundry, another leak that paints the club in a poor light.!

 

[dougyboy]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but if players have enquired about being able to leave the footy club wouldn't this be a confidential conversation ?. Did AD need to tell all and sundry, another leak that paints the club in a poor light.!

He must have prostrate, hes always leaking

 

[raskolnikov]

Do you think Hooker and Melksham would have signed new contracts if they thought others were wanting to leave?

 

[lysp]

I don't think the AFL want this dominating headlines through finals.. so I agree.. makes no sense on their behalf.

IT COULD (and this is MY opinion ONLY) be something like this though:
let's say 3 player managers have contacted ALFPA about this 'clause' or 'option' for 'their clients'.. each of those managers work for companies that manage say, 5 EFC players each.. that means that *technically* you could write the sentence "Up to 15 EFC players may be looking to use exit clause"

The *reality* might be closer to: 1 player manager had 1 specific fringe player who wanted to leave anyway cause not getting a game, 1 player manager was looking into the clause because they reckon their player could get maybe more money at another club because they just had a break out year and 1 player manager was really just looking at it as an option to try and encourage the club to increase the offer to some of his other clients/general curiousity" so the reality is "2 players might be looking for new homes next year and this option might be the quickest and safest way for them to do so at this time possibly"

Both can be written.. and no one knows if either are the truth or lie...

Following on from that, it may also be 0 players.

The player manager's job is to work out all possible options for their clients. So I think it should be part of their job to work out these "what-ifs" - this is regardless of any players actually wanting to do it.

It's simply finding out all information possibly to give their clients (the players) a fully informed opinion/judgement on their situation.

 

[lysp]

the REAL issue is other clubs 'poaching' players by offering huge amounts of money to contracted players.. and those players leaving, not cause of any BS concerns about safety.. but to chase the $$.

The only thing that makes me think that won't happen.. is that we have a really loyal group who have just endured three years of raid attempts by GC and GWS.. and how many left? Was that 0?

Never actually thought of it like that. Essential what this is doing is making every single player of our club potentially a free agent. And allowing any other AFL club to approach players to switch - regardless of if their contracted or not.

Although I do think the loyalty of our players goes a long way which is a good thing.

Edit: Sorry just caught up to this page - posted this before i read all the discussion on this stuff on the current page.

 

[Bennett.]

Maybe we can get that skunk Demetriou to have a heart attack by sending him gift boxes of krispy kremes'

 

[DonsRule]

Do you think Hooker and Melksham would have signed new contracts if they thought others were wanting to leave?

Que the HTB logic.

Thats because they know infrations are coming they are locking in their money so they can sue etc etc etc,

 

[DonsRule]

I imagine the club has already done this process behind closed doors.

The club have been, from all reports, really open through out this year and gone about it really professionally, so i'm pretty sure they know exactly what is going on.

High risk strategy to announce in a press conference though... the REAL issue is other clubs 'poaching' players by offering huge amounts of money to contracted players.. and those players leaving, not cause of any BS concerns about safety.. but to chase the $$.

The only thing that makes me think that won't happen.. is that we have a really loyal group who have just endured three years of raid attempts by GC and GWS.. and how many left? Was that 0?[/quote]

I may be wearing black and red goggles here but, Hooker.

He was put up for trade the last 2 years. On top of this drug saga, if anyone had some resentment to leave, could argue he had every right, yet he just signed for 3 years,

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Maybe we can get that skunk Demetriou to have a heart attack by sending him gift boxes of krispy kremes'

Maybe just relay a series of stories about the misfortune of others. He seems to think that such things are laughing matters - he'd lose his shit with peals of hearty laughter if we sat him down to Schindler's List or The Killing Fields.