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KGBeast said:
Oh my
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...grelated-charges/story-fni0fee2-1227104127790

Charters in a bit of strife
THE star witness in the anti-doping case against Essendon has been hit with criminal charges.

In a bombshell development that could throw the Bombers case into turmoil, Victoria Police’s Purana Taskforce is pursuing anti-ageing clinician Shane Charter on up to a dozen drug-related counts.

Charter intends to fight the charges, which police have confirmed as trafficking steroids, possessing steroids and possessing a schedule 4 poison.
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oh dear and this is their star witness that Masters carefully calls "supplement biochemist" to give it more credibility. Masters should be on the ASADA payroll.

The charges come 12 months after an undercover sting in which police posed as athletes during consultations with Charter. Police also seized Charter’s computers and searched his records.
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He would have rolled over and told ASADA anything they wanted after that.....cooperating with authorities and all.....
 
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KGBeast said:
Oh my
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...grelated-charges/story-fni0fee2-1227104127790

Charters in a bit of strife
THE star witness in the anti-doping case against Essendon has been hit with criminal charges.

In a bombshell development that could throw the Bombers case into turmoil, Victoria Police’s Purana Taskforce is pursuing anti-ageing clinician Shane Charter on up to a dozen drug-related counts.

Charter intends to fight the charges, which police have confirmed as trafficking steroids, possessing steroids and possessing a schedule 4 poison.
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kelvin_sheedy said:
Masters is a campaigner who seems to take great pleasure in lots of young men and their families being put through the ringer.

What a douchebag. Article is so wrong in so many parts its not funny.
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Wilson's husband supports Essendon. Master's wife supports Essendon. Somehow the wrong man married the wrong woman. That one would be Allan Hird's fault.
 
Picked up on that too.. that Thymodulin is recommended for once a week for six weeks.. which matches the quantities and what Charters talked about in his 'Thymosin' texts.. and yet TB4 is DAILY for ten weeks.. which a)the players didn't get and b)doesn't match the quantities ordered in the slightest.

So Masters has just completely fabricated the whole thing.. if anything this 'evidence' supports the theory it was Thymodulin and not TB4..!!!

I wonder if the AFL have the power to spring Charters from prison to appear before the Tribunal??
 
this is getting silly now and McDicksmack is way out of his league. He's a cop, not a bureaucrat.
 
5speedeb said:
ASADA case against Essendon players rests on injection regime
Date October 27, 2014 - 10:00PM

Roy Masters Rugby League Columnist
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ASADA's case against 34 past and present Essendon players rests heavily on evidence that points to a perfect match between the injection regime at the AFL club in 2012 and the protocol for administering the banned drug, thymosin beta 4.

The players have provided written documentation that they used four drugs, with one being "thymosin", the supplement biochemist Shane "Dr Ageless" Charter says was used at the club.

The players have also signed documentation of the number of injections they received per week throughout the season, which has been described as "an exact recipe for thymosin beta 4".

According to sports science sources, the standard protocol for the banned synthetic peptide is one injection each weekday for 10 weeks, compared with the injection regime for the natural substance, thymomodulin, which is one injection per week for six weeks. That is, 50 injections of the prohibited substance compared with six of the non-banned supplement in just over half the time. ASADA will argue that the batches of the supplement received by the club from the compounding pharmacist, Nima Alavi, is a match with the usage of the banned thymosin beta 4. It will be alleged multiple doses of the prohibited peptide, made to order, were received by the club in a regime that lasted over many months.

While the evidence is circumstantial, ASADA will argue it satisfies the "comfortable satisfaction" criterion the AFL tribunal must have to reach a guilty verdict.

Sports scientist Stephen Dank, the architect of Essendon's supplements program, accepts that there are considerable differences between the protocols associated with the injection regime of the two varieties of "thymosin" but would likely argue the evidence is fabricated.

Alavi has already accused Dank of forging his signature, while lawyers for the players may question the testimony of Charter, who was sentenced to four years' jail for the importation in 2004 of drugs. The hearing may also reveal some players had more knowledge of the drugs regime than others, where some may have seen evidence of thymosin beta 4.

Two players have their own legal representation, breaking from the 32 represented by the AFL Players Association.

Should players come forward within the next few days, volunteer guilt and provide solid evidence, it is expected ASADA will recommend they receive sanctions of less than six months under the substantial assistance provision.

However, the offer of six-month bans made to Essendon and the AFL in June, before the club and coach James Hird took action in the Federal Court, will not be revived by ASADA.

The original six months offer would have meant the suspension beginning after Essendon's last game in 2014 but the later start to the 2015 season, owing to the Cricket World Cup, may have meant they missed no matches.

But now, should the AFL tribunal find the players guilty of taking prohibited substances, it is likely ASADA will appeal any sentence that is not greater than six months.

While some of this sanction can be backdated, as it was in the case of 12 NRL players who represented Cronulla in 2011, it would result in AFL matches missed in 2015. WADA rules require sports' doping tribunals to hand down bans in number of months, not matches.

While the AFL has positioned itself as a disinterested party in the ASADA-Essendon dispute, surely it has everything to gain by having the players' bans minimised.

Similarly, the haste shown by the AFL Players Association in seeking to have the case go directly to the AFL tribunal, bypassing the anti-doping rule violation panel (ADRVP), is seen as a tactic to have a three-month suspension served in the off season.

To be fair, it is rare for the panel to overturn an ASADA action and order a case not to proceed, thus suggesting the body is redundant.

However, the players' association's demand for a quick hearing is perceived to be more about minimising the number of games missed in 2015. The fact it has not contacted ASADA directly is a further source of aggravation.

ASADA did fast-track the Cronulla case but did so via the ADRVP.

Furthermore, ASADA has already demonstrated resolve to have the case concluded. It could have waited until after the outcome of Hird's appeal to the Full Federal Court, before re-issuing show-cause notices, thereby pushing the saga, now known as "asaga", deep into 2015
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Masters raising the issue again of trying to entice players to co-operate by pleading guilty and providing evidence in return for shorter penalties. This fits in with the strategy of slowing the process at this stage to make the players even more exasperated and more likely to succumb to a deal. ASADA still seeking evidence suggests they are struggling.

And to use injection profiles to claim use of TB4 is like a bloke being called a paedophile because he walked past a school and gee, you know, paedophiles sometimes walk past schools so you must be one too. Just absolute nonsense.

Ben McD – either you have evidence or don’t. If you do then get on with it and put players to the full force of the process. If not then stop wasting taxpayers money and destroying what little credibility ASADA has left. It really is that simple Ben. The investigation doesn’t have to be that complex. Either you have evidence or don’t.
 
Matthew_Lloyd said:
I wonder how much McIdiot paid Masters to write that.


Oh yeah, and this from a McKenzie/Baker article in July 2013. Credit to a member on Blitz for pointing this out:



yet in this article today:



Come on, you aren't even trying anymore Ben, you ******* idiot
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This might be a bit embarrassing for Ben and Roy.
 
And the three ring circus continues - ASADA is becoming a laughing stock - It's like the Government has threatened to disband ASADA, unless they get a conviction - It's time for ASADA to draw stumps.
 
5speedeb said:
According to sports science sources, the standard protocol for the banned synthetic peptide is one injection each weekday for 10 weeks, compared with the injection regime for the natural substance, thymomodulin, which is one injection per week for six weeks. That is, 50 injections of the prohibited substance compared with six of the non-banned supplement in just over half the time. ASADA will argue that the batches of the supplement received by the club from the compounding pharmacist, Nima Alavi, is a match with the usage of the banned thymosin beta 4. It will be alleged multiple doses of the prohibited peptide, made to order, were received by the club in a regime that lasted over many months.
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Got the dosages the wrong way around Master *******. Thymomodulin is daily, and TB4 is weely.

Edit: rines beat me too it
 
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Roy Masters writing AFL articles in The Age :S

Seems odds are the usual columnists on annual leave or something
 
The saddest part of this whole shitstorm is that there would be people in the wider community who will take the Masters article as gospel.
When really it makes so little sense
 
Harlequin said:
The saddest part of this whole shitstorm is that there would be people in the wider community who will take the Masters article as gospel.
When really it makes so little sense
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Unfortunately that's to be expected - almost all opposition supporters have some form of confirmation bias against us and will not bother to look up the contradictory article by Falsefacts in June.
 
Smyth94 said:
Unfortunately that's to be expected - almost all opposition supporters have some form of confirmation bias against us and will not bother to look up the contradictory article by Falsefacts in June.
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Yep
I'm married to someone who resembles that remark
 
Many of the online peptide sellers use the same TB-500 (synthetic TB-4) FAQ/instructions text. The dosage recommendations for TB-500 are as follows:

"Research studies have further shown that one (2mg. vial) Sub-Q Inj..each week for six consecutive weeks provides the best results. There after, use only 10mg per month. It's best to give the Sub-Q Inj. 6 days before intense work outs. "

So the recommended TB-500 dosage instructions do suspiciously match the injection schedule.

And then we have Thymomodulin/TA1. Early on during the supplements program Dank queried ASADA about the status of 'tfc-thymomodulin'. I think Dank actually meant to ask about 'TFX-Thymomodulin' which is a product composed of a family of 6 peptides, biotechnologically derived from the thymus glands of young calves. The dosage recommendations for TFX-Thymomodulin are as follows:

"The dosage needs to be determined on an individual basis depending on the health of the patient. The following dosage is recommended: 10-20 mg/day for 30 days followed by 20-50 mg/week. Continued administration, the dosage, the duration of the treatment depend on the therapeutic effect and the immunological results."

The problem for ASADA is that there is no standard recommended dosage for thymomodulin and related immunity boosting peptides. Dosage is dependent on the health of the recipient and many other factors. For example one publication I googled recommend the following for Thymosin Alpha 1 dosage for HEP patients:

"For hepatitis B and C, TA1 1.6 mg (900 µg/m 2) should be administered subcutaneously twice a week."

I imagine it is going to be very hard for ASADA to argue that the injection schedule is a unique fingerprint for TB4.
 
rumply said:
Chip Le Grand @Melbchief · 18m18 minutes ago
1/2 ASADA on Shane Charter: "Mr Charter essentially described his motivation as being altruistic....""

Chip Le Grand @Melbchief · 18m18 minutes ago
2/2 "....borne of a life almost lost due to the use and misuse of performance enhancing drugs.''


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I think I just lost my mind looking at that GIF for a full minute... do not recommend... too far gone now... might spend the rest of the day watching it exclusively... my crazy little puppet man...
 
It will be sad day if ASADA truly are going to try and issue proceedings based on a 'dosage profile'... there is so much scope for misinterpretation it is ridiculous. As Ings, and others, have been clear about.. ASADA need to provide clear evidence of exactly what was in each needle.. not a 'dosage profile' that may, or may not, match one substance...

Said it 12 months ago but still applicable.. if an athlete admits to taking two white pills every four hours for three days.. you can't then prove to a 'comfortable satisfaction' that it was Panadol.. just because the 'dosage profiles' match.. it could have been Codeine, Zertec, Warfin or Horse Tranquilizer for all you know...

As to McDumbnuts comment that this is the 'most complicated case in World Doping'... LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah it probably is complicated.. complicated because there is no evidence, no smoking gun, no proof, no suggestion of intention to cheat, no paper trail, no corroborating witnesses, no performance enhancement and absolutely nothing to suggest doping occurred. So it must be pretty difficult to pull imaginary evidence out your ass in order to satisfy some need to prove why you have spent two years chasing thin air...

Pretty sure it wouldn't be complicated if you actually had proof of anything.. in fact usually these things are pretty simple as you either have a positive test, OR you have invoices, dosage schedules, witness statements and other documents that comprehensively show a long and sustained doping program. It only seems complicated when you are trying to stretch one invoice from one shady supplier who didn't even work for the club to match some vials of a substance that was never tested to a group of athletes who are convinced they are innocent.
 
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