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Right, so hypothetically, if they don't take a deal, receive INs and receive a far heftier suspension than if they took a deal, do you have the same attitude then?
 
Ben the Gooner said:
If the players take deals, either they've been complicit in lying to and extorting money from members from 2 years, or they're confessing to something they haven't done.

Either way, the lack of moral fibre comment is spot on. Who'd want to support them?
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Precisely. Of course they will obvious consider some sort of 'deal', but I won't be supporting them if they go any further, nor will I be a member of the club until the bulk have left. If they accept a deal they either 1) took banned substances and have spent 2 years lying about their innocence to the members or 2) they're conforming to a wicked system and allowing the door for this to happen to many more future athletes.
 
I don't think it is as easy as some make it.

I think if they were offered a soft penalty, compared to having to fight for maybe 18 months and still end up being found guilty, and making it a full 2 year ban, That they were dubbed etc, the WADA done does not make any leniency for being dubbed. to get off completely.

If they see evidence where they feel there was a risk they were tricked into taking Tb4, they may take a deal.

Add. the AFL may be like the NRL too, take the soft penalty, or fight, but we will stand you down while you do.

Lots to think about.
 

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Doss said:
Right, so hypothetically, if they don't take a deal, receive INs and receive a far heftier suspension than if they took a deal, do you have the same attitude then?
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If they receive infraction notices it due to taking banned substances. Since mid-2013 the club has been adamant that 'no harmful or banned drug was administered'. Obviously if IN are received this isn't the case and members and supporters have been taken for one big ride by the players and board. And we shouldn't expect an explanation as one won't be forthcoming.
 
The really pathetic part is WHY the club took sanctions before the players were assured 'safe'.. cause now they can be punished twice.. one to miss finals and now with possible bans.

Put the cart WAAAAY before the Horse last year.. and it will ALWAYS rankle me.

ON that note.. I would also be pissed off because IF they were going to 'cave'.. then why not cave last year.. end result would have been the same.. but at least it wouldn't have dragged through this season as well.

I think there are lies, double lies and corruption from every level of this stinking pile of shit.

The punch line? We, and the players, are yet to see one SINGLE piece of actual hard evidence from ASADA that would support that they took a banned substance, inadvertently or not.
 
Doss said:
Right, so hypothetically, if they don't take a deal, receive INs and receive a far heftier suspension than if they took a deal, do you have the same attitude then?
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Yes because in that situation they're cheats who have spent the past 2 years lying to members in order to extort money out of them.
 
I might add that if the players take a deal because of a ***** up system that leaves them with little choice this reflects nothing on Hird and he should stay (providing he still has the players' support of course). The argument that if a player takes a deal under threat of being stood down that he is gone is a load of bollocks in my opinion as it means that no evidence has been tested and therefore there has been no due process proving what, if anything, he did wrong.
 
Ben the Gooner said:
If James Hird takes a deal, either he's been complicit in lying to and extorting money from members from 2 years, or he's confessing to something he hasn't done.

Either way, the lack of moral fibre comment is spot on. Who'd want to support him?
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Fits just as well.

"Do what James would do."
 
Tassieboy said:
Precisely. Of course they will obvious consider some sort of 'deal', but I won't be supporting them if they go any further, nor will I be a member of the club until the bulk have left. If they accept a deal they either 1) took banned substances and have spent 2 years lying about their innocence to the members or 2) they're conforming to a wicked system and allowing the door for this to happen to many more future athletes.
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I would have thought there is at least one thing that we could all agree is the case by now? That is that they players - to their knowledge - have never taken a banned substance.
I would be very surprised though if everyone is 100% sure that Dank didn't sneak some other stuff into them. So where does that leave the players in their own minds? Innocent or guilty? Do they take a deal given that they may have been drugged unknowingly and as such are at fault? Does that lack of certainty mean we should all abandon them as cheats and cancel our memberships?
 
Ben the Gooner said:
Yes because in that situation they're cheats who have spent the past 2 years lying to members in order to extort money out of them.
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I suppose my pondering is this. ASADA are no doubt offering the players the deals with the hint of "we have more, you'd be unwise not to take the deal."

Now, is that the case or, are ASADA bluffing? We really can't say. The players probably have a better idea than us. The club, certainly, would have a better idea than us.

Either way, it's a horrible choice after twenty months. How much chance, realistically, do the players have of beating the SCNs?
 
hurlygurdy said:
I would have thought there is at least one thing that we could all agree is the case by now? That is that they players - to their knowledge - have never taken a banned substance.
I would be very surprised though if everyone is 100% sure that Dank didn't sneak some other stuff into them. So where does that leave the players in their own minds? Innocent or guilty? Do they take a deal given that they may have been drugged unknowingly and as such are at fault? Does that lack of certainty mean we should all abandon them as cheats and cancel our memberships?
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That would be a different situation. But just say against all consent Dank went rogue, how is ASADA going to be able to get proof if Dank doesn't confirm it?
 
Doss said:
Either way, it's a horrible choice after twenty months. How much chance, realistically, do the players have of beating the SCNs?
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I don't care.

They've sold the story that they will beat the charges for 2 years in order to get us to keep tipping in money, money that pays for wages far beyond those of the majority of members.

If they deal, they're liars or they're cowards. Either way, not worthy of support, financial or otherwise.
 

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They've sold the story, or the club has?

Big distinction, in my view. Most of the players are absolutely out of their depth with all this politicking.

I'd be pissed off with the club, but there is a distinction between them and the players for mine.

Considering the rubbish they have put up with for two years, I could not bring myself to turn my back on the players.
 
Tassieboy said:
If they receive infraction notices it due to taking banned substances. Since mid-2013 the club has been adamant that 'no harmful or banned drug was administered'. Obviously if IN are received this isn't the case and members and supporters have been taken for one big ride by the players and board.
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Infraction notices are not proof of harmful or banned drugs having been administered.
 
Doss said:
They've sold the story, or the club has?

Big distinction, in my view. Most of the players are absolutely out of their depth with all this politicking.

I'd be pissed off with the club, but there is a distinction between them and the players for mine.

Considering the rubbish they have put up with for two years, I could not bring myself to turn my back on the players.
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They've been absolutely complicit. "We believe we've done nothing wrong" x1000000
 
Ben the Gooner said:
They've been absolutely complicit. "We believe we've done nothing wrong" x1000000
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And who do you think tells them to say that? What do you think happens if a players says something different?
 
Ben the Gooner said:
Taking deals = pleading guilty = confessing to drug cheating
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No, taking deals = admitting to the possibility that they may have administered a prohibited substance without their knowledge.

Your attitude on this followed by your rim job of Hird despite the fact he didn't fight and took a deal is astounding.
 
Doss said:
They've sold the story, or the club has?

Big distinction, in my view. Most of the players are absolutely out of their depth with all this politicking.

I'd be pissed off with the club, but there is a distinction between them and the players for mine.

Considering the rubbish they have put up with for two years, I could not bring myself to turn my back on the players.
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I feel like I would, don't know if I could.....I just want to know more:(
 
Doss said:
And who do you think tells them to say that? What do you think happens if a players says something different?
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Ah, the Nuremberg defence.

I'm not putting a cent into the club to support cowards who were "only following orders".
 
Ben the Gooner said:
Ah, the Nuremberg defence.

I'm not putting a cent into the club to support cowards who were "only following orders".
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Nuremburg defence? Seriously? :rolleyes:

Calling those players cowards is absolutely uncalled for, I think. Regardless of whether they take a deal or not.
 
Doss said:
Nuremburg defence? Seriously? :rolleyes:

Calling those players cowards is absolutely uncalled for, I think. Regardless of whether they take a deal or not.
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You reckon they're not capable of working out what saying "we believe we did nothing wrong" means?
 
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