cash cows for the year

[Cat for Life]

Is Jetta to Hill too much of a sideways trade?

Hard to tell who will average more/get more games/reach a higher price.

This is the only trade im thinking of at the moment.

I'm also tossing this trade up at the moment, should return a profit of around $100k, however just feels wrong trading out a player who should also be a cash cow.

 

[thebaxters]

If you have to ask yourself whether it's a sideways trade, then trust your instincts. It is.

I don't get the folks thinking about a Rioli/Gamble>Hill trade. The expected difference in $ increase after Rd3 between Hill and a Rioli/Gamble (assuming they score ~70 this week) is ~10K.

Re. a Jetta>Hill trade... my rules of thumb are that a cash cow trade must:
a). Score the same points +/-10 as the player being traded out
b). Must net an immediate min 60K profit that week, with an estimated 40K the following (100K in 2 weeks)

A Jetta>Hill trade nets you 46K straight up, then an expected increase after Rd3 of 50K (assuming Jetta scores ~45, Hill ~70). After Rd4, another 35K. So, another 2 weeks in from here, you have Hill sitting on ~210K, plus 46K in the bank. If you have another rookie who hasn't price shifted ready to bring in (and you don't need to field Hill in your 22), Hill out for rookie, trade a mid forward (Didak, Porps, Burton, Davey, Medhurst) for a gun with your 170K profit.

So, for the cost of one trade now, and one in ~Rd6, Jetta>Hill sounds good from a $ return perspective, and gives you another reliable gun forward by 1/3 way through the season.

Ditto for Hawkins>Hill too.

 

[The Special 1]

If you have to ask yourself whether it's a sideways trade, then trust your instincts. It is.

I don't get the folks thinking about a Rioli/Gamble>Hill trade. The expected difference in $ increase after Rd3 between Hill and a Rioli/Gamble (assuming they score ~70 this week) is ~10K.

Re. a Jetta>Hill trade... my rules of thumb are that a cash cow trade must:
a). Score the same points +/-10 as the player being traded out
b). Must net an immediate min 60K profit that week, with an estimated 40K the following (100K in 2 weeks)

A Jetta>Hill trade nets you 46K straight up, then an expected increase after Rd3 of 50K (assuming Jetta scores ~45, Hill ~70). After Rd4, another 35K. So, another 2 weeks in from here, you have Hill sitting on ~210K, plus 46K in the bank. If you have another rookie who hasn't price shifted ready to bring in (and you don't need to field Hill in your 22), Hill out for rookie, trade a mid forward (Didak, Porps, Burton, Davey, Medhurst) for a gun with your 170K profit.

So, for the cost of one trade now, and one in ~Rd6, Jetta>Hill sounds good from a $ return perspective, and gives you another reliable gun forward by 1/3 way through the season.

Ditto for Hawkins>Hill too.

Interesting Baxter, my forward line looks like this. (also have 300,000 in bank)
N. Riewoldt
J. Brown
L. Franklin
B. Hall
B. Fevola
C. Ryoli
L. Jetta

K. Tippet
R. Tarrant......origionally before reading this post i was going to trade Tarrant for Hill. but after reading i like your theory of trading Jetta to make 50,000 (not that i need it...yet) and to upgrade to a better cash cow.
Am i better off trading R. Tarrant > Hill and having 4 Cash Cows in mi forward line...2 starting
or
Am i better off trading Jetta for Hill, and for my 2nd trade, trading Tarrant for a gun with the leftover 350,000 i.e Pav, Chapman, Brad Jono. leaving me with 3 cash cows, 1 on the field, and instead of the fourth cash cow i have an extra gun forwards
thoughts?

 

[Stormer]

They're all the same, yada yada yada. There is 145K people playing DT. Bigfooty has what 35-40K members. Do you think everyone who plays DT on BF reads these boards and does what is said? doubtful. Would only be a small % of people who play DT and post/ read here

The thing that seperates the good DT's and the average ones, is knowing when to upgrade your cash cows (ie when they have hit their peak) to guns who have dropped to their lowest point. That's what makes it different. A lot of teams may have the same cash cows, but player A might trade a cashie in round 5 or 6, whereas player B might leave it until round 9 or 10.

And good captain choices help too

You have to take into account the amount of teams that one, Mr. Raw Talent has though.

 

[thebaxters]

Interesting Baxter, my forward line looks like this. (also have 300,000 in bank)
N. Riewoldt
J. Brown
L. Franklin
B. Hall
B. Fevola
C. Ryoli
L. Jetta

K. Tippet
R. Tarrant......origionally before reading this post i was going to trade Tarrant for Hill. but after reading i like your theory of trading Jetta to make 50,000 (not that i need it...yet) and to upgrade to a better cash cow.
Am i better off trading R. Tarrant > Hill and having 4 Cash Cows in mi forward line...2 starting
or
Am i better off trading Jetta for Hill, and for my 2nd trade, trading Tarrant for a gun with the leftover 350,000 i.e Pav, Chapman, Brad Jono. leaving me with 3 cash cows, 1 on the field, and instead of the fourth cash cow i have an extra gun forwards
thoughts?

It depends whether spending trades now fits with your plans. If it does, then trade away...

Wrt starting one or two rookies, look at who they are, and how you think they'll fit into their team all season. Rioli is probably struggling hardest to fit into the 22 given the players coming back for the Hawks, but his form probably warrants a bit more of a run - but I'm not confident on him being in for 22 rounds. Saying that though, he's likely to average ~50-60 when he does play.

Jetta - I reckon he's a fringe player anyway, I like him, but can see his head being one of the first on the chopping block if form lapses. He was never a big DT'er last year, and other than his Rd2 NAB game, his scores this year haven't been much - I can see him staying at an average of 40-50.

Tippett seems to be getting a run, and Adelaide look like they're prepared to sink some games into him. But his average is lower...

Hill? Don't think he can keep it up, but if you're only getting him for the purpose of upgrading in a few weeks, then maybe go for it. Reckon he's playing on confidence at the moment; one bad game, or one huge hip and shoulder could change that real quick.

With your cash in hand, a desire to focus on beefing up your forward line, and a willingness to trade, I'd Jetta>Hill and Fev>Chapman. Then in 2-3 weeks, look at trading Hill>Pav.

Fev is too inconsistent (IMO) and needs to be upgraded anyway (and needs ~mid 90's this week to stay at 308K). Plus you've got Buddy, who scores hot/cold. I reckon you're better off with only one high risk, high reward forward at 300K+. These 3 trades would see you with a forward lineup of
N. Riewoldt
J. Brown
P. Chapman
M. Pavlich
L. Franklin
B. Hall
C. Ryoli

with Tippett and R. Tarrant on the pine (go with your gut - if you thought Tarrant was going to get games this season, leave him on the pine until he does). This should be a set and forget forward line - barring long term injury, you don't have to touch it again past ~Rd5-6.

Now, I haven't seen the rest of your team, but I suspect you've got some cheap backs. It seems to be proving harder thie year to find the rookies to fill spots back there, so maybe you'd be better off spending your cash there for now?

 

[makingmemark]

If you have to ask yourself whether it's a sideways trade, then trust your instincts. It is.

I don't get the folks thinking about a Rioli/Gamble>Hill trade. The expected difference in $ increase after Rd3 between Hill and a Rioli/Gamble (assuming they score ~70 this week) is ~10K.

Re. a Jetta>Hill trade... my rules of thumb are that a cash cow trade must:
a). Score the same points +/-10 as the player being traded out
b). Must net an immediate min 60K profit that week, with an estimated 40K the following (100K in 2 weeks)

A Jetta>Hill trade nets you 46K straight up, then an expected increase after Rd3 of 50K (assuming Jetta scores ~45, Hill ~70). After Rd4, another 35K. So, another 2 weeks in from here, you have Hill sitting on ~210K, plus 46K in the bank. If you have another rookie who hasn't price shifted ready to bring in (and you don't need to field Hill in your 22), Hill out for rookie, trade a mid forward (Didak, Porps, Burton, Davey, Medhurst) for a gun with your 170K profit.

So, for the cost of one trade now, and one in ~Rd6, Jetta>Hill sounds good from a $ return perspective, and gives you another reliable gun forward by 1/3 way through the season.

Ditto for Hawkins>Hill too.

Great post mate. Good to see some constructive and calculated feedback on these boards

I'll be doing the Hawkins>Hill trade for the reasons you cited. Also have Rioli, Gamble and N.Thompson : 1 of the 4 might be good enough to keep all year, 2 will be used as CCs and 1 to be kept on the bench.

 

[The Special 1]

It depends whether spending trades now fits with your plans. If it does, then trade away...

Wrt starting one or two rookies, look at who they are, and how you think they'll fit into their team all season. Rioli is probably struggling hardest to fit into the 22 given the players coming back for the Hawks, but his form probably warrants a bit more of a run - but I'm not confident on him being in for 22 rounds. Saying that though, he's likely to average ~50-60 when he does play.

Jetta - I reckon he's a fringe player anyway, I like him, but can see his head being one of the first on the chopping block if form lapses. He was never a big DT'er last year, and other than his Rd2 NAB game, his scores this year haven't been much - I can see him staying at an average of 40-50.

Tippett seems to be getting a run, and Adelaide look like they're prepared to sink some games into him. But his average is lower...

Hill? Don't think he can keep it up, but if you're only getting him for the purpose of upgrading in a few weeks, then maybe go for it. Reckon he's playing on confidence at the moment; one bad game, or one huge hip and shoulder could change that real quick.

With your cash in hand, a desire to focus on beefing up your forward line, and a willingness to trade, I'd Jetta>Hill and Fev>Chapman. Then in 2-3 weeks, look at trading Hill>Pav.

Fev is too inconsistent (IMO) and needs to be upgraded anyway (and needs ~mid 90's this week to stay at 308K). Plus you've got Buddy, who scores hot/cold. I reckon you're better off with only one high risk, high reward forward at 300K+. These 3 trades would see you with a forward lineup of
N. Riewoldt
J. Brown
P. Chapman
M. Pavlich
L. Franklin
B. Hall
C. Ryoli

with Tippett and R. Tarrant on the pine (go with your gut - if you thought Tarrant was going to get games this season, leave him on the pine until he does). This should be a set and forget forward line - barring long term injury, you don't have to touch it again past ~Rd5-6.

Now, I haven't seen the rest of your team, but I suspect you've got some cheap backs. It seems to be proving harder thie year to find the rookies to fill spots back there, so maybe you'd be better off spending your cash there for now?

Cheers Baxter, yea i do have a few cheap backs, Hansen Pfeifer and Proud, if Hansen doesnt get named im considering Thornton with my cash.
i like the look of that forward line, only problem is Robbie Tarrant is out for the year, so i would hate to have an emergencie that is neither playing or making money this early in the season.

at the moment i'm leaning towards Tarrant > Hill, i dont mind starting Hill and Ryoli this early in the season, because i'm more concerned about winning my league, im 600 points off 1st rank in the comp. so no point trying to come 1st. the extra cash cows in my team i can trade off later. thats my view

 

[Pie Legend]

IIRC, I thought Tarrant did his shoulder

Correct me if im wrong

 

[The Special 1]

IIRC, I thought Tarrant did his shoulder

Correct me if im wrong

Your not wrong

 

[LemmingMaster]

IIRC, I thought Tarrant did his shoulder

Correct me if im wrong

*nods*

 

[The Special 1]

*nods*

Despite having Ryoli, Tippet and Jetta, would you say trading Tarrant for Hill is the right thing to do, or would you stick with 3 CC's in the forward line and trade Tarrant for a Brad Jono or Chapman? i have 300,000 in the bank. but by the looks of things the forward line along with the midfield are the places 2 make money.

 

[bloods01]

Is Jetta to Hill too much of a sideways trade?

Hard to tell who will average more/get more games/reach a higher price.

This is the only trade im thinking of at the moment.

I think that's a good trade. Almost $50,000 in the pocket and could be used to improve a particular position. Personally I think there is greater price growth in Hill than Jetta. Jetta IMO isnt guaranteed a spot each week whilst Hill should play every game this year barring injury. Don't be surprised if Jetta is dropped for Lovett this week.

 

[The Special 1]

Don't be surprised if Jetta is dropped for Lovett this week.

Gee i hope not, u wouldnt think so now that Dempsey and Lovett-Murray arnt playing.

 

[just signed]

Thoughts on Trav Cloke. Looking at trading him out for hill, frees up cash for upgrades. He looks certain to drop in value. Have Hawkins also, but even with an ordinary start to the year, his value should increase.

 

[Cat for Life]

Thoughts on Trav Cloke. Looking at trading him out for hill, frees up cash for upgrades. He looks certain to drop in value. Have Hawkins also, but even with an ordinary start to the year, his value should increase.

Depends whether you need the cash for something else. I am in the same situation as well and normally I would say to keep Cloke as I think he'll be a good keeper all year, however the situation with the back rookies are killing me so I may do the trade to upgrade my 7th back.