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Alesana said:
It doesn't even bother me that he got none, it bothers me that he struggles to nullify the opposition if they get hands on the ball first. That's the good thing about SPS, if he's not getting the ball then at least he's throwing himself at the opposition
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True but it would still help winning a few. Looking forward to getting Yeo / Culley in the team that can do both.

A good mix could be something like Ginbey (defensive on oppo big body but can also hunt the ball), Kelly to provide the spread, run and delivery. Yeo to try and win the hard ball and dish it out.
Then change the combos but try and keep the balance. Culley changes out with Ginbey. Gaff (if he has too) with Sheed or Kelly. Hewett / Shuey swap with Yeo.

I don't like seeing Gaff, Sheed and Kelly together and I don't think Ginbey, Culley and Yeo all together will provide enough spread either.

I know with rotations its hard but should try and keep some balance.
 

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But Exxon took more than half of the CBAs last week and spent a great amount of time in the HFF otherwise.

SPS…almost purpose built for that opportunity. Seemed the easiest like for like we’ll ever make. Making Gaff that role instead, and SPS the Jones role, doesn’t seem like a sound strategy to me.

Cole on the wing I don’t mind, rotations are good. Hunt on the wing good. Gaff on the wing good. Chesser, that’s where he’s playing ok.

Gaff in the middle makes no sense and we finally have options to not have to fall back on it.
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HoneyBadger35 said:
At the time I noticed Cole taking pretty much all of the wing bounces in the second quarter when Gaff was in the middle, almost seemed like a deliberate personnel grouping. Might go back and check to see how often it was the case but it certainly wasn’t late stat padding so to speak.

I just find the whole thing very strange and can’t quite grasp why that would be the play.
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I wonder if it was done as a place holder scenario. Gaff has effectively taken XON's CBAs, which are effectively Yeo's and Culley's when they return. We saw Simmo's steadfast refusal to move players last year, opting instead to maintain players in the side in their incumbent roles and bring someone else in to cover the missing role. Maybe Gaff is in transition out of the side? (Wishful thinking, I know)
 
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Simmo acknowledged on the Ask Simmo segment that they noticed the better sides last year rotated six or seven through the middle and that they’ve made the change. Historically “played the forwards forward and the mids in the middle” but it sounds like this broader spread is here to stay.

Jordyn Baker is your Thursday leader btw.
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
Simmo acknowledged on the Ask Simmo segment that they noticed the better sides last year rotated six or seven through the middle and that they’ve made the change. Historically “played the forwards forward and the mids in the middle” but it sounds like this broader spread is here to stay.

Jordyn Baker is your Thursday leader btw.
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This shift is interesting because I thought the more specialist roles was a big improvement to what we used to do, and went a long way to 2018 success (eg drafting Willie and Flyin' and playing them as forwards, rather than plonking a random mid there instead) but now we seem to be shifting back towards more versatility.

Helps that someone like Long spent most of his junior career as a mid before injury forced him into the forward line. He was forced to become versatile or else he probably wouldn't have been drafted.
 
Really keen to see Hewett get more CBAs as he has the acceleration and agility to exit the congestion and do damage. Only got 2 CBAs on the weekend but one was almost a thing of beauty as he took possession and exited at speed only to slip when confronted with Luke Shuey.

The suggestion that he doesn’t have the tank to play 4 quarters is interesting. He said he had COVID last year. Perhaps it’s a lingering after-effect.
 
Ambrose Burnside said:
This shift is interesting because I thought the more specialist roles was a big improvement to what we used to do, and went a long way to 2018 success (eg drafting Willie and Flyin' and playing them as forwards, rather than plonking a random mid there instead) but now we seem to be shifting back towards more versatility.

Helps that someone like Long spent most of his junior career as a mid before injury forced him into the forward line. He was forced to become versatile or else he probably wouldn't have been drafted.
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It's not about versatility but maintaining as much energy on the ball as possible at all times
 
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Another 28 centre bounces tonight. Very weird to have the same amount three weeks in a row. For the second consecutive week, we had a 29th that technically didn't happen because of a 6-6-6 free, but it isn't recorded in AFL data.

Round 3 takeaways:
- Shuey's percentage is thrown off by leaving the game so early, but in some ways he was our best mid even in just a quarter of a game. By my count he attended four of the 12 CBAs (33.33%) prior to leaving the game. Finished with three centre clearances from four CBAs which is nuts. Finished with three of our 10 total.

- Kelly took 26 of our 28 today. Seems exceedingly high but he was very good again, and understandably I'm sure the rotation got pretty ****ed. Can't argue with the output so far.

- Ginbey increased attendance week on week. 57%, 64%, 67%. A team high six clearances today ✅

- Speaking of clearances: Bailey Williams now averaging three per game through three weeks. Not bad young man.

- Gaff 7 CBAs (25%), down from 11 (39%). Still too high, but lower than last week even with bodies dropping all over the place.

- Hewett 4, Jones 2, SPS 0 with all the carnage. Seems off. Would like some more manufactured for these guys.

- Sheed is solely playing midfield now, no serious forward rotations to speak of. A discussion to be had there about what he's offering at the moment, but I suggest he'll get a fairly lengthy leash given the injury situation now.

- Seven mids attending CBAs week on week, the mix and general distribution is fairly settled by the looks.

- Minus four in centre clearances for the second week running (10 to 14), but level in stoppage clearances despite a massive ruck disparity tonight. Having badly lost the stoppage clearances to North (-17), we have then gone +8 last week and evened it this week. Big improvement there.
 
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Round 4 updated. 30 CBAs.

- Only six mids rotated this week, down from seven every other week. Seems extremely strange given the options available to us in this particular team selection.

- Gaff took too many (17, 56%), but potentially understandable given the lack of senior bodies against an elite midfield. Then again, is Gaff a senior body....I mean what is Gaff going to do to stop Petracca?

Oh, tackle him cold. I don't understand football anymore. Zero centre clearances but a team high five stoppage clearances, 50% + is far too many CBAs but maybe it sort of worked maybe tonight? Still don't want it, especially given all the inside mids we had available today.

- TK. Beast. Now our leading % of CBAs. Three centre clearances, five total, trails only Shuey in both CC and Clearance average.

- Culley 70% of CBAs. Good by the coaching staff for his first game back. Hopefully works into it next week.

- Ginbey 60%. More. MORE.

- Yeo took zero CBAs and played exclusively half back. No rotating. One to watch.

- Hewett took three in the final term, I would like to see him used on ball more and earlier, even just in single CBA bursts each quarter.

- LEdwards had two centre clearances from five attempts. Earned another look for me.

- Williams. Good on him. 75%, 78%, 82%, 86% CBAs. Increasing week on week, as is his output around the ground. Some good intercept marks tonight which helps, another four clearances, 3.3 clearances per game is level with Ginbey and equal fifth on the team.

- Minus two in the centre clearances is a very strong result given the hitout disparity, another tick for Bailey, but West Coast were -8 in stoppage clearances, after winning (+4) and breaking even the past two games. Melbourne ultimately too good in close.
 
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Round 4 updated. 30 CBAs.

- Only six mids rotated this week, down from seven every other week. Seems extremely strange given the options available to us in this particular team selection.

- Gaff took too many (17, 56%), but potentially understandable given the lack of senior bodies against an elite midfield. Then again, is Gaff a senior body....I mean what is Gaff going to do to stop Petracca?

Oh, tackle him cold. I don't understand football anymore. Zero centre clearances but a team high five stoppage clearances, 50% + is far too many CBAs but maybe it sort of worked maybe tonight? Still don't want it, especially given all the inside mids we had available today.

- TK. Beast. Now our leading % of CBAs. Three centre clearances, five total, trails only Shuey in both CC and Clearance average.

- Culley 70% of CBAs. Good by the coaching staff for his first game back. Hopefully works into it next week.

- Ginbey 60%. More. MORE.

- Yeo took zero CBAs and played exclusively half back. No rotating. One to watch.

- Hewett took three in the final term, I would like to see him used on ball more and earlier, even just in single CBA bursts each quarter.

- LEdwards had two centre clearances from five attempts. Earned another look for me.

- Williams. Good on him. 75%, 78%, 82%, 86% CBAs. Increasing week on week, as is his output around the ground. Some good intercept marks tonight which helps, another four clearances, 3.3 clearances per game is level with Ginbey and equal fifth on the team.

- Minus two in the centre clearances is a very strong result given the hitout disparity, another tick for Bailey, but West Coast were -8 in stoppage clearances, after winning (+4) and breaking even the past two games. Melbourne ultimately too good in close.
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LEdwards two attendances were a direct result of Ginbey going off with the blood rule in the final quarter

For whatever reason Hewett looked to be coming off the bench to replace Ginbey but was called back from the interchange so Edwards could come on. Possibly a TOG thing

Edwards ran into the centre square and stayed there after the next goal was kicked with Ginbey still on the bench
 

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Keys said:
LEdwards two attendances were a direct result of Ginbey going off with the blood rule in the final quarter

For whatever reason Hewett looked to be coming off the bench to replace Ginbey but was called back from the interchange so Edwards could come on. Possibly a TOG thing

Edwards ran into the centre square and stayed there after the next goal was kicked with Ginbey still on the bench
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Five attendances in total on the AFL app - three in Q2, and one in each of the last two terms.

Two centre clearances from five CBAs is pretty good stuff though.
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
Five attendances in total on the AFL app - three in Q2, and one in each of the last two terms.

Two centre clearances from five CBAs is pretty good stuff though.
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I misread two clearances as two attendances

My bad
 
Carbine Chaos said:
Thought Ginbey got a bit of a lesson in there yesterday in the clearances.

Which is absolutely ideal. He’d have learned so much watching Melbourne’s midfield at the stoppages.
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A bloke like that is first rate. He'll soak it like a sponge and use those tools against them next year.
 
Carbine Chaos said:
Thought Ginbey got a bit of a lesson in there yesterday in the clearances.

Which is absolutely ideal. He’d have learned so much watching Melbourne’s midfield at the stoppages.
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There’ll be plenty of tape to go over as well with the coaches. As Simpson said post match a game like that is worth 3-4 WAFL games in experience
 
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There’ll be plenty of tape to go over as well with the coaches. As Simpson said post match a game like that is worth 3-4 WAFL games in experience
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You mentioned it on the pod but forget if someone had originally said it first, apologies to whoever I’m not crediting - I like the argument that this sentiment is why we went in so mid heavy. Expose as many fringe mids to the best midfield in the comp as possible.

Doesn’t scan completely given some like Clark/West/Hewett got no/minimal centre bounce time but I wonder if that was a factor in selection.
 

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