Strategy Changes and Pre-match discussion (Freo 15/7, MCG 1.45pm)

[3rdMan]

Suns and Dogs both have tall forward lines and Frampton didn't start in defence against either. It seems like we've decided to go with a more mobile and switchable defence, but we'll see.

 

[BuildEmUp]

Robbo was in good form last night calling fremantles coach Justin Longmire

drunken slob .. i cannot watch him as i almost vomit ecerytime he spouts sanctimnious shyte .. and is drunk most o f the time

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

It’s just a thought Kap. No need to get your knickers in a twist.

For Kappa, I thought he was quite polite, but I think he's right. If Howe was considered capable as a forward, I am sure he would have been played there by now at Collingwood.

 

[JuniorB]

For Kappa, I thought he was quite polite, but I think he's right. If Howe was considered capable as a forward, I am sure he would have been played there by now at Collingwood.

I think it's also that he's far more capable as an intercepting defender and rebounder, so playing him forward would be wasting his talents.

 

[Rusty Beam]

You'd think Frampton would play against teams like Brisbane & Geelong with their big KPFs.

I don’t know. Neither Cameron nor Hipwood really play like tall contested marking forwards.

There’s an argument to play him against Geelong to match him up against Hawkins since he’s a brute. But I definitely wouldn’t play him against Brisbane.

Personally I’d be happy to run with Howe on both those guys.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

The only thing I like about this is the nickname. Also would have accepted “engine”.

As a Gene Wilder fan I would also accept 'Fronken-steene'

 

[Finnishpie]

Rather than speculate, let's answer this question: how many games has Cox played as the first ruck?

When we say let's not speculate -- a reasonable idea -- we can immediately rule out black/white statements like:Cameron can play a full game in the ruck, Cox cannot.

The answer to your question is several, anyway.

We could say: Cameron has more consistently played first ruck than Cox. That seems reasonable. Then we don't get reactions to the fact that we're making blanket statements.

 

[Finnishpie]

Now this is a baseless response.

Make an unbalanced claim which is black and white and that's what you get. And that's what you deserve.

 

[Bianconeri]

Make an unbalanced claim which is black and white and that's what you get. And that's what you deserve.

I’ve backed my claim in many other posts on the subject, I’d suggest you respond them if you’re actually interesting in engaging in a footy discussion.

If you’re here to continue the pissing match I’ll leave it here

 

[Kirby]

When we say let's not speculate -- a reasonable idea -- we can immediately rule out black/white statements like:Cameron can play a full game in the ruck, Cox cannot.

The answer to your question is several, anyway.

We could say: Cameron has more consistently played first ruck than Cox. That seems reasonable. Then we don't get reactions to the fact that we're making blanket statements.

Cox has played a few but not many and the current coaching group are not keen to play him in that role. When they have he only plays about 70% game time which means some dudly ruckman has to fill in the other 30% (say a Johnson or McStay type) which is too much. Hence the problem (or at least part of the problem).

 

[3rdMan]

When we say let's not speculate -- a reasonable idea -- we can immediately rule out black/white statements like:Cameron can play a full game in the ruck, Cox cannot.

The answer to your question is several, anyway.

We could say: Cameron has more consistently played first ruck than Cox. That seems reasonable. Then we don't get reactions to the fact that we're making blanket statements.

The question was to take speculation out of it as a starting point, just to see how many games Cox has played and shown he can ruck a full game.

I can remember one recent game where Cox has played as first ruck. Not sure if there were any last year?

Moving on from there the question is why hasn't he played more games as first ruck? And as far as I can recall never as a first option, only through injury?

I've also not said Cox can't ruck a full game. There would be questions around how physically capable he is of doing this consistently, but it's not the most important question. In my view Cameron's simply the better option anyway.

 

[Big Bryza]

Cox only managed 70% tog against GWS so if anything it shows why he can’t.

He literally played as first ruck that day and was BOG.

 

[Finnishpie]

I’ve backed my claim in many other posts on the subject, I’d suggest you respond them if you’re actually interesting in engaging in a footy discussion.

If you’re here to continue the pissing match I’ll leave it here

I suggest you include your reasoning in your actual post. You can't expect people to trawl through your past posts to find out why you think a player is incapable of doing something he's actually done. And you don't have to write everything out again. You can do it in shorthand.

It's not a pissing contest, it's pointing out that blanket claims make discussion difficult. Obviously Cox CAN play an entire game as first ruck. So you don't actually mean what you said. You mean something like this: Cox would struggle to play first ruck because..... [insert reasoning]. Then we can actually have a discussion, not a senseless interchange.

 

[Finnishpie]

The question was to take speculation out of it as a starting point, just to see how many games Cox has played and shown he can ruck a full game.

I can remember one recent game where Cox has played as first ruck. Not sure if there were any last year?

Moving on from there the question is why hasn't he played more games as first ruck? And as far as I can recall never as a first option, only through injury?

I've also not said Cox can't ruck a full game. There would be questions around how physically capable he is of doing this consistently, but it's not the most important question. In my view Cameron's simply the better option anyway.

Now all this I can agree with. Thanks.

 

[Finnishpie]

Cox has played a few but not many and the current coaching group are not keen to play him in that role. When they have he only plays about 70% game time which means some dudly ruckman has to fill in the other 30% (say a Johnson or McStay type) which is too much. Hence the problem (or at least part of the problem).

Yep, I can see that argument.

 

[Big Bryza]

No Checkers this week so McStay would be odds on to be back in the senior lineup.

No Serong for the Dockers is a huge win for us.

 

[Kirby]

No Checkers this week so McStay would be odds on to be back in the senior lineup.

No Serong for the Dockers is a huge win for us.

Are Freo not challenging the suspension?

It seemed very soft to me.

 

[Big Bryza]

Why the * are there still so many VFL byes what a joke of a competition

Yep, it's a fcukin shambles.

They need to get back to a genuine Reserves competition.

 

[Bianconeri]

I suggest you include your reasoning in your actual post. You can't expect people to trawl through your past posts to find out why you think a player is incapable of doing something he's actually done. And you don't have to write everything out again. You can do it in shorthand.

It's not a pissing contest, it's pointing out that blanket claims make discussion difficult. Obviously Cox CAN play an entire game as first ruck. So you don't actually mean what you said. You mean something like this: Cox would struggle to play first ruck because..... [insert reasoning]. Then we can actually have a discussion, not a senseless interchange.

I’m happy to include my reasoning for those that ask and engage respectfully but I’m not going to write paragraphs upon paragraphs for every time I mention Cox’s ability to play out games in the ruck.

 

[Big Bryza]

Even frampton got ruck time last week. Odd.

The only reason i can think of is they are convinced that McStay will replace Cox in the side once Checkers is back.

 

[eyeroller]

Are Freo not challenging the suspension?

It seemed very soft to me.

They are

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

No Checkers this week so McStay would be odds on to be back in the senior lineup.

No Serong for the Dockers is a huge win for us.

He'll get off pretty easily imo

 

[sr36]

The only reason i can think of is they are convinced that McStay will replace Cox in the side once Checkers is back.

Nah, I'd take it as Frampton offered nothing up forward - Cox was and is the better forward option - so we kept Cox forward.

 

[Kirby]

They are

Good.

Heading into finals I don't want these ridiculous soft suspensions being handed out.

 

[Jen2310]

Cameron would have to be in doubt this week.
Left the track early. Bit of a side strain. Still has thurs to prove his fitness


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