Unofficial Preview Changes V Swans

[dlanod]

Looking for a preview writer for next week against the Suns! PM or post please.

 

[Perrip]

Herald Sun reporting that Charlie is likely to be suspended for 3 weeks [Swans, SUNS, Saints] by the MRO

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

2-3 seemed the most likely outcome at the time. It might be the holiday he needs

 

[Nathan Barley]

So now the tackler has to hold up the ball carrier to avoid him going to ground?

 

[DreadBat5701894]

Herald Sun reporting that Charlie is likely to be suspended for 3 weeks [Swans, SUNS, Saints] by the MRO

Is that based on actual facts or is it just speculation?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Nothing would surprise me with MRO. It is a lotto.

 

[Perrip]

Is that based on actual facts or is it just speculation?

All speculation until the MRO findings are announced, usually they're accurate in predicting what the MRO will find. This is what they say about it:

Cameron clearly wrapped up both of Duggan’s arms and then took four or five steps before driving him into the ground. He ended up falling on top of Duggan as he drove him to the ground, with the Eagles utility concussed for the second time since June.
The AFL looks at two factors - excessive force, and whether the player is in a vulnerable position - when it judges dangerous tackles.
Cameron is likely to have ticked both boxes for MRO boss Michael Christian, which means he would be guilty of a careless act which has to be assessed as severe force given Duggan’s concussion. It means Cameron, let off from suspension earlier this year after the tribunal assessed him as having a good record, would miss games against Sydney at home, Gold Coast away and St Kilda away.

 

[DreadBat5701894]

Nothing would surprise me with MRO. It is a lotto.

Wouldn't surprise me if they give a longer suspension to Cameron than they gave to Rankine

 

[Squizz89]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/afl/news/all-the-news-from-the-match-review-officer-from-round-18/news-story/71ac8720bab4a90ba2530b85535905ac

All the news from the Match Review Officer from round 18​

Brisbane star Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

seems certain to be suspended for at least three weeks for the dumping tackle that concussed West Coast’s Liam Duggan

14

Liam Duggan

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

283.7

4star

D

16.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

283.7

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

, as the league debates the legality of Toby Bedford

14

Toby Bedford

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.0

1star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

’s dumping tackle on Tiger midfielder Tim Taranto

14

Tim Taranto

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.0

4star

CL

5.5

5star

D

15.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

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Cameron’s coach Chris Fagan came to his defence after the Lions’ victory as he cited the lack of remonstration from Eagles teammates after the tackle.

But Cameron clearly wrapped up both of Duggan’s arms and then took four or five steps before driving him into the ground. He ended up falling on top of Duggan as he drove him to the ground, with the Eagles utility concussed for the second time since June.

The AFL looks at two factors - excessive force, and whether the player is in a vulnerable position - when it judges dangerous tackles.

Cameron is likely to have ticked both boxes for MRO boss Michael Christian, which means he would be guilty of a careless act which has to be assessed as severe force given Duggan’s concussion. It means Cameron, let off from suspension earlier this year after the tribunal assessed him as having a good record, would miss games against Sydney at home, Gold Coast away and St Kilda away.

The Lions have only just made an extraordinary leap into the top four after their horrible start to the season and those games will be crucial in them retaining that double chance.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Excessive force? Watch the ****ing replay

 

[DreadBat5701894]

But Cameron clearly wrapped up both of Duggan’s arms and then took four or five steps before driving him into the ground.

So, a normal tackle?

 

[p4p1]

Without a doubt we will take this to the tribunal.

 

[Squizz89]

So, a normal tackle?

Legitimately do not know what he could've done differently in that tackle.

I look forward to hearing how the AFL would like the players to approach that situation in future, other than letting the ball carrier go.

 

[p4p1]

Excessive force? Watch the ****ing replay

Like with a lot of these recently, I'm not sure what the tackler or the player that isn't concussed is supposed to do other than jump out the way of the player with the ball.

 

[Dalions]

Without a doubt we will take this to the tribunal.

It may go straight to the tribunal.

 

[Perrip]

Legitimately do not know what he could've done differently in that tackle.

I look forward to hearing how the AFL would like the players to approach that situation in future, other than letting the ball carrier go.

It's probably the outcome more than anything else that'll screw him.

 

[KissKiss]

Without a doubt we will take this to the tribunal.

Im not 100% sure how I think it will fall under the rules but feel there is enough doubt on what actions he should have taken to challenge any suspension. Its not what I would have thought falls under the standard arms pinned driving tackle

 

[Elixuh]

The eagles player was hugging the ball for a ball up, so how is Charlie meant to tackle without pinning the arms? They then just fell over with no excessive force.

 

[p4p1]

Im not 100% sure how I think it will fall under the rules but feel there is enough doubt on what actions he should have taken to challenge any suspension. Its not what I would have thought falls under the standard arms pinned driving tackle

I would say in the case of a tackle like that or similar the player being tackled is OK 99/100 times. When the head is slung into the ground, absolutely, there is other actions that can be taken and we want to get those injuries out of the game but accidents happen.

 

[Darren Downunder]

The eagles player was hugging the ball for a ball up, so how is Charlie meant to tackle without pinning the arms? They then just fell over with no excessive force.

It looked to me, like Duggan was actually trying to pull away and Charlie was holding on.

 

[HereIGoAgain]

It looked to me, like Duggan was actually trying to pull away and Charlie was holding on.

At the time I thought the Eagles player was trying to throw Cameron off him but failed due to Cameron's strength and technique. A good tackle and something we've been asking for from our players.

 

[Lace Out]

Is the reverse action when players are tackled from behind and driven ever dangerous ?

 

[twhowler]

At the time I thought the Eagles player was trying to throw Cameron off him but failed due to Cameron's strength and technique. A good tackle and something we've been asking for from our players.

Yep agree with this.

I actually thought Cameron should have been rubbed out for the Lever tackle. I don't think it was line ball, i thought it was a clear one week because it was a sling and Cameron contributed enough to that happening, albeit Lever may have.

It looked to me like Duggan was the one who took the force back the other way, as in trying to shake him off. Once that happened Cameron was pushing back. His momentum one. Now ONCE they were tipping backwards this could be what he is rubbed out on - should he have let go? Is that reasonable, would he have just clashed heads with him then? I think that could have happened if he let go so Duggan had his arms out. All of this happens very quickly of course.

Because of the outcome (concussion) it seems as though it's either 0 weeks or 3 weeks. The tribunal has tied its hands on this one a bit which is a shame.

I can't recall this tackle being up before - that gives some leeway for a Maynard style 'no weeks this time but multiple weeks next time'.

I think we do need him out there as the opposition is still putting their best defender on him. So if he doesn't play suddenly life gets a lot harder for Lohman. He is clearly down on confidence and i think may even have lost a yard of pace (that extension to me was stranger for its length - out to 2028, so he will be 34yo - for a player so down who has just turned 30yo. anyway). but he is trying his guts out, running back to defence when we are in trouble. Could not fault his effort at all which i think was at times in question back in about 2021 when he sooked a bit.

But do we want an entire week all about the tribunal etc? He had a shocked against Geelong the week after the melbourne game. Maybe if it's somehow a short ban we cop it, give him a little break, bring in Dev for a defensive role and send Bailey forward full time to fill the gap?

 

[Nathan Barley]

Yep agree with this.

I actually thought Cameron should have been rubbed out for the Lever tackle. I don't think it was line ball, i thought it was a clear one week because it was a sling and Cameron contributed enough to that happening, albeit Lever may have.

It looked to me like Duggan was the one who took the force back the other way, as in trying to shake him off. Once that happened Cameron was pushing back. His momentum one. Now ONCE they were tipping backwards this could be what he is rubbed out on - should he have let go? Is that reasonable, would he have just clashed heads with him then? I think that could have happened if he let go so Duggan had his arms out. All of this happens very quickly of course.

Because of the outcome (concussion) it seems as though it's either 0 weeks or 3 weeks. The tribunal has tied its hands on this one a bit which is a shame.

I can't recall this tackle being up before - that gives some leeway for a Maynard style 'no weeks this time but multiple weeks next time'.

I think we do need him out there as the opposition is still putting their best defender on him. So if he doesn't play suddenly life gets a lot harder for Lohman. He is clearly down on confidence and i think may even have lost a yard of pace (that extension to me was stranger for its length - out to 2028, so he will be 34yo - for a player so down who has just turned 30yo. anyway). but he is trying his guts out, running back to defence when we are in trouble. Could not fault his effort at all which i think was at times in question back in about 2021 when he sooked a bit.

But do we want an entire week all about the tribunal etc? He had a shocked against Geelong the week after the melbourne game. Maybe if it's somehow a short ban we cop it, give him a little break, bring in Dev for a defensive role and send Bailey forward full time to fill the gap?

I agree the action in the Lever tackle was far worse but similar to May he was trying to milk it

 

[Dom PC]

What is Charlie meant to do there, it's an awkward tackle where Duggan's arms are tucked in-between their bodies but he is pushing away from Charlie who doesn't have a great grip to stop Duggan from doing that... so the only option Charlie has to do there is to push forward with his legs to complete the tackle... Charlie has a microsecond to realise the point where they start to fall to the ground... to get suspended for that seems really really tough on the tackler there.

There is such things as awkward tackles which can result in incidental head knocks... surely they can't just all be considered suspendable... it is a contact game accidents will happen.

I'll be very disappointed in our legal team if they can't get Charlie out of that (if he is suspended).

 

[p4p1]

What is Charlie meant to do there, it's an awkward tackle where Duggan's arms are tucked in-between their bodies but he is pushing away from Charlie who doesn't have a great grip to stop Duggan from doing that... so the only option Charlie has to do there is to push forward with his legs to complete the tackle... Charlie has a microsecond to realise the point where they start to fall to the ground... to get suspended for that seems really really tough on the tackler there.

There is such things as awkward tackles which can result in incidental head knocks... surely they can't just all be considered suspendable... it is a contact game accidents will happen.

I'll be very disappointed in our legal team if they can't get Charlie out of that (if he is suspended).

The issue is that incidental head knocks are resulting in guys being suspended. So no one knows what will come of this.