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Moti

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Can we go through a season without having these key positions filled?

We have a FB and a FF but without having big guys in these positions, I feel we really lack structure. Thompson is a third tall and the resting ruckman barely forwards.

I want Narni, Hansen and Black looked at ASAP to change this situation.
 
Hansen at chb, give Black a crack at chf.
 
Agree Narni is crucial as is Mcmahon to our backs.

Blacks efforts in the 2s warrant an opportunity in the seniors, probably more than both Tarrant and Hansen at the minute.
 

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i have said it once and will say it again. The best 2 big forward combo is petrie and pedersen, if we play pedersen as a bit part player, he will only be as good as a bit part player but if we play him as a chf then we will prob have a very capable one at that. One that marks strongly, kicks truly and presents very well. He can also do ruck (15-25%). I do not think we should play kids ahead of him cos they r younger, currently at the club we do not have a better chf than pedersen.
 
Hansen will be in our best 22. He has showed consistent form in the 2s. Get him in as CHB.

1st choice for CHF is Drew. If given the opportunity, he could own the area. One of his greatest attributes is his endurance & I think he is wasted a little at FF.

2nd choice CHF is Pederson - worth a try.
 
Cam Delaney is our best prospect there.
Very quick, good skills and good over head.
The brothers will allow us to build a backline for 10 years.
CHF is Aaron Black, who could easily play as second ruck if need be.

Thisis how we should shape up the rest of the year.

Thompson - L.Delaney - McMahon

Atley - C.Delaney - Firrito

Wells - Ziebell - McKenzie

Wright - Black - Adams

Harvey - Petrie - Thomas

Goldstein - Greenwood - Swallow

Bastinac - Cunnington - Harper - MacMillan (sub)
 
We need another actual KPD IMO. Going in with Thompson as the second KPD is a result of trying to generate drive off the half back line but using a smaller, more mobile defensive unit. Personally I don't like it. Despite the fact that Thompson has been very good this year I'd be just as happy to see him as a third tall, as I think he would be just as effective at intercepting marks etc.

Hansen would be a good addition, as would Grima. When on Grima is an excellent defender and has the go go gadget arms purpose built for spoiling. Good engine too.

If H misses a few this gives us a chance to go with a more traditional set up in the forward line too. Again Hansen is a good option for CHF.

I'd like to see a few things tried out in the coming weeks. We have a fit list and KP guys running into form in the VFL.
 
Spud and Loose can not be our 4th and 5th tall defenders, we need 2 runners plus these two. If Thomson plays 3rd tall one of these guys has to go.
 
WesternRoo said:
Cam Delaney is our best prospect there.
Very quick, good skills and good over head.
The brothers will allow us to build a backline for 10 years.
CHF is Aaron Black, who could easily play as second ruck if need be.

Thisis how we should shape up the rest of the year.

Thompson - L.Delaney - McMahon

Atley - C.Delaney - Firrito

Wells - Ziebell - McKenzie

Wright - Black - Adams

Harvey - Petrie - Thomas

Goldstein - Greenwood - Swallow

Bastinac - Cunnington - Harper - MacMillan (sub)
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Needs more Hansen/Grima. One possibility:

Thompson - L. Delaney - McMahon

Grima - Hansen - Firrito

Wells - Ziebell - McKenzie

Wright - Black - Adams

Harvey - Petrie - THomas

Goldstein - Bastinac - Swallow

Atley - Cunninton - Harper - MacMillan

That's assuming Black and McKenzie show enough to warrant continued selection. If not (for Black) I'd probably move Hansen to CHF, Grima to CHB, send Wright back to the HBF, put Harper on the HFF and bring Greenwood/Garlett to the bench.

I dunno, have to read the match reports from the VFL. Probably should have done that first come to think of it.
 
B Tron said:
We need another actual KPD IMO.
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We went into the game with both Delaney brothers as KPDs against a forward line with no AFL standard talls (arguably). In the end, we had a medium sized 3rd gamer kick 4 goals, in a game we lost by 3 goals. Was any of the actual KPDs a problem in this match? I wouldn't say so.

Sammy Wright experiment in the backline needs to come to an end IMO. He did a great job on Stevie J (or did Stevie just have a downer?), but since then, Sammy looked increasingly uncomfortable back there. It's ruining his confidence.

Firrito had a great start to the year, but is now out of form as well. At this stage I'd prefer Scotty T as a third tall, Luke Delaney as FB, and one of Cam Delaney/Hansen/Grima as another tall. Call it CHB if you like, it makes no difference. We can try two out of those three in the same side, but it maybe an overkill. I would leave young Cam in the side for a few weeks, he has done nothing wrong. Has Hansen actually strung consecutive good games in the VFL? Has Grima?
 
They had Cordy and Roughead down there at times, as well as Dickson and ****ing Giansiracusa who always seems to be good for a goal or two against us. Anyway, that's two 200cm plus guys rotating through the forward line, both there at times, and certainly enough to necessitate two KPD's. As you say, they wern't the issue this week and I reckon we had decent matchups although Atley does get burned at times when taken deep.

Spare Keys is a good prospect, but he ain't the finished article yet. Either Grima or Hansen are better options right now and both are performing solidly at VFL level, albeit Hansen at CHF.

I think Wrighty should go to half forward with Harper and Adams, Atley into the guts and possibly Macmillan to the half back flank. McMahon back in with Spud taking the next flanker, Thompson third tall or most dangerous non-KPF marking target and then Keys and Grima/Hansen CHB. More 2011, less 2012.
 

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Event Horizon said:
Has Hansen actually strung consecutive good games in the VFL? Has Grima?
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Judging by the match reports, it's a yes for Hansen. Quieter on the weekend apparently, but still kicked two goals.

It sounds like Grima has been nursed back to playing out full matches, but even he sounded promising in Benny's report from Saturday:
ben.carbonaro said:
another promising performance down back, he faded in and out of the game. Made the Frankston forwards work hard for the ball when it was in their forward 50 arc.
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Petrie to CHB and Hansen/Black to full forward. Our biggest problem is the long ball in to our defence as we just don't handle it well. Need a big presence there who can take a big grab or kill the high ball. He would be the general back there and I believe we will operate better as a team.
 
Fb- L Delaney
Chb- Grima
Chf - Petrie
Ff - Hansen

Delaney is made to play full back with the way he plays.
Grima is a very steady footballer and has a very calming influence on our backline. He also reads the play well and has good skills.

Drewy is our most dangerous forward and therefore needs to be in the play more often. Being at full forward he is out of the play to often. He also is very Hard working and had second and third efforts.

Hansen is our next best proven option up forward with his marking which he showed a couple years back. His kicking is an issue but it's better to get it than not.
Also I would play Black in Azzas spot. Azza is to inconsistent and has been given enough chances to prove himself.
 
The Gasometer said:
Thankfully, no-one has mentioned R Tarrant
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I don't want to see Robbie in the seniors again until he starts to consitently dominate VFL. A few bags of 3-4 goals at least are needed from him. Frankly, I am not sure he is capable of producing them. But I hope I am wrong.
 
I wouldn't jump on Tarrants back to quickly. The bloke missed nearly 3 years of footy and this is his second consecutive injury free year. He was a high draft pick so he must of showed something so I think he will start to perform towards the end if this year.

The thing about Tarrant is that he is a natural forward who leads to the right positions. Yes he's been frustrating but I for one am still keeping the faith.

I am predicting bags of goals in the ressies over the ensuing weeks.
 
Bigeasy said:
I wouldn't jump on Tarrants back to quickly. The bloke missed nearly 3 years of footy and this is his second consecutive injury free year. He was a high draft pick so he must of showed something so I think he will start to perform towards the end if this year.

The thing about Tarrant is that he is a natural forward who leads to the right positions. Yes he's been frustrating but I for one am still keeping the faith.

I am predicting bags of goals in the ressies over the ensuing weeks.
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He does lead really well and he continues to work which is good. But whether he can take the three steps required is a tougher question to ask.
 
Bigeasy said:
I wouldn't jump on Tarrants back to quickly. The bloke missed nearly 3 years of footy and this is his second consecutive injury free year. He was a high draft pick so he must of showed something so I think he will start to perform towards the end if this year.

The thing about Tarrant is that he is a natural forward who leads to the right positions. Yes he's been frustrating but I for one am still keeping the faith.

I am predicting bags of goals in the ressies over the ensuing weeks.
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Hope you're right. Would love to see him prove all us ***** completely wrong. Pick up a couple of Colemans in the process, maybe even a Norm Smith.
 
Well one of the things i thought that could loosen up the forward line is having petrie to go to full back as a rock of defense Prestigicomo role. Delaney up to CHB for a total negating role. Let thompson and machmon do the rebounding stuff. As for the forward line, time to get rid of edwards and get warren in (always like warren better). Pedersen has to come in as the chf, hansen too for versatility and both players can lead.
 
Tarrant reminds me of that fat guy from Dodgeball. He's a big unit, probably just needs to get a little angry and he'll start taking some nice grabs.
 
Kcrack said:
Tarrant reminds me of that fat guy from Dodgeball. He's a big unit, probably just needs to get a little angry and he'll start taking some nice grabs.
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but he has had years now. I get why we have persisted with trying to get him to do that - we have nobody else. BUT he hasn't. Not even in the 2s.
 
sammie said:
but he has had years now. I get why we have persisted with trying to get him to do that - we have nobody else. BUT he hasn't. Not even in the 2s.
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we burn most of our forwards in favour of Petrie and as good as he is, it's too one dimensional. Need to mix it up a bit and be more flexible up forward and that is when players like Tarrant and Black can have an impact. More mobility and less human pillars like Petrie and HMac up forward.
 

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