Chris Benoit 1967-2007

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JDC! said:
The WWE are trying to erase Chris Benoit from their memory.
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I think it's a case of trying but never succeeding some are going to remember some of the matches he would put on, etc.
 
JDC! said:
I notice many people say they enjoyed Benoit because he was great wrestler, that is true but I thought he was boring and annoying because he had no personality. I watched wrestling for entertainment and whenever Benoit came on I would usually change the channel. I was really annoyed when he won the title at Wrestle Mania 20. Well that is just my opinion and I respect everyone elses.
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Fair call. I watch it for more the technical part of it, hence my view.

Yeah, i found Ben-oyt boring at stages too.

XX while not the best technical match... The Post match grabbed me big time... Ill never forget Eddie and Chris in the ring, standing tall
 

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Bretski said:
I think the wellnes program is only in place for lower card guys such as Masters, thats why John Cena, Lashley and Batista havnt been caught out yet
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Cena - Was a body builder, His Size/make is NOTHING on what it was... i wouldn't be surprised if hes off it. (at the same time i wouldn't be surprised if hes not)
 
MasterOfRoc said:
Fair call. I watch it for more the technical part of it, hence my view.

Yeah, i found Ben-oyt boring at stages too.

XX while not the best technical match... The Post match grabbed me big time... Ill never forget Eddie and Chris in the ring, standing tall
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Benoit was very crap on the mic, which if he was in a promotion that never relied on mic skills he'd be the complete package. Like I said in another thread there are only a few wrestlers that can work the mic and the ring. Then you have a few that can only do one or the other.
 
MasterOfRoc said:
Cena - Was a body builder, His Size/make is NOTHING on what it was... i wouldn't be surprised if hes off it. (at the same time i wouldn't be surprised if hes not)
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Wasn't Masters a bodybulder as well? I never really paid much notice to him but I did hear some say after he got done for drugs he shrank a bit.
 
This is only from that crap TMZ site but anyway still interesting. This story is just so ****ed up, there seems to be so many layers.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/07/02/was-benoits-son-really-sick/

"There are additional reports that contradict the earlier information that suggested that Daniel Benoit may have suffered from Dwarf Syndrome or Fragile X Syndrome. Daniel's family denies that he suffered from either condition. As a result of the family's concerns, the Fayette County Sheriff's investigators and the District Attorney's Office have inquired into this matter. A source having access to certain of Daniel's medical reports reviewed those reports, and they do not mention any pre-existing mental or physical impairment. Reports from Daniel's educators likewise contradict the claims that Daniel was physically undersized. The educators report that Daniel graduated kindergarten and was prepared to enter the first grade on par with the other students."
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JDC! said:
Well he used to do his little body-builder pose during his entrance.
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I don't watch Raw or Smackdown, downloaded a few ECW events, due to not having Foxtel anymore, and I am not a fan of Masters so I never bothered checking into him.

I only heard once them mention it, or someone mention it somewhere.
 
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Demonic Ascent said:
I have said I was wrong about the Yankee part, but why would an atheist place bibles next to the wife and child he had just murdered?
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domonic, while police have said that they believe this is what happened, there is still no proof that has been mentioned to the media, to determine exactly whether there was a 4th party involved.

As things stand at the moment, they know it was a double murder, they believe it was a double murder suicide, but until test results come back from toxicology, they are unable to determine whether or not it was a triple murder.
 
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RedHeadedStar said:
domonic, while police have said that they believe this is what happened, there is still no proof that has been mentioned to the media, to determine exactly whether there was a 4th party involved.

As things stand at the moment, they know it was a double murder, they believe it was a double murder suicide, but until test results come back from toxicology, they are unable to determine whether or not it was a triple murder.
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As I said earlier, they are police and have to go through due process. They are not allowed to say anything conclusive until the evidence is irrefutable.

I, on the other hand, am an independent observer who is allowed to speak his mind. And I am telling you, Benoit killed his wife, then killed his son, then killed himself. To think otherwise is completely delusional and proof of a mind so shocked and revolted by reality that it recoils in horror throwing up any possibility, no matter how irrational, to try and make sense of or justify the disgusting act.
 
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It's not justifiying anything, if Benoit was on trial for this, there would need to have been burdon of proof that he committed the act of murder. As well as the defence making the case that he didn't do it.

Until officiailly ruled upon anyone can speculate and have their own opinion like you said, you have your opinion which seems to be the majority opinion, doesn't mean things ended up that way though.
 
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You quoted Red's post, and stated

Benoit killed his wife, then killed his son, then killed himself. To think otherwise is completely delusional

At what stage, did Red say anything to do with whether or not he done it. It looks to me, like he aknowledged that it was what the Investigators believe.

Red just stated the facts of the situation, and you jump down his or her throat. :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
 

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The Majestic said:
It's not justifiying anything, if Benoit was on trial for this, there would need to have been burdon of proof that he committed the act of murder. As well as the defence making the case that he didn't do it.

Until officiailly ruled upon anyone can speculate and have their own opinion like you said, you have your opinion which seems to be the majority opinion, doesn't mean things ended up that way though.
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Thats true, but if you were a betting man which theory would you have money on? :rolleyes:
 
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MasterOfRoc said:
You quoted Red's post, and stated

Benoit killed his wife, then killed his son, then killed himself. To think otherwise is completely delusional

At what stage, did Red say anything to do with whether or not he done it. It looks to me, like he aknowledged that it was what the Investigators believe.

Red just stated the facts of the situation, and you jump down his or her throat. :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
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Umm, he said "there is still no proof that has been mentioned to the media, to determine exactly whether there was a 4th party involved." If this was a frame-up it is the best job in history.

All the circumstantial evidence points in one direction and it is extremely convincing.
 
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The Majestic said:
It's not justifiying anything, if Benoit was on trial for this, there would need to have been burdon of proof that he committed the act of murder. As well as the defence making the case that he didn't do it.

Until officiailly ruled upon anyone can speculate and have their own opinion like you said, you have your opinion which seems to be the majority opinion, doesn't mean things ended up that way though.
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A lot of people who get charged with stuff, didn't actually do it. Although the majority that get in trouble for murder and that actually did do it.
 
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Demonic Ascent said:
Thats true, but if you were a betting man which theory would you have money on? :rolleyes:
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If I was a betting man I'd keep my money, I have read too many different reports on this case. And they all do not add up, it's hard to tell who is telling the truth about what.

Just imagine for a second that Benoit had not killed himself, and he was called away and arrived home and saw what the police found could we have proved that Benoit did it? Plus we then have to find a realistic motive I mean I can make up any old motive right now.

Right now we do not know fact from fiction.
 
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Demonic Ascent said:
Umm, he said "there is still no proof that has been mentioned to the media, to determine exactly whether there was a 4th party involved." If this was a frame-up it is the best job in history.

All the circumstantial evidence points in one direction and it is extremely convincing.
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I agree, it would be the best in history... but at the moment, its still possible... unlikely, but possible none the less
 
Demonic Ascent said:
Umm, he said "there is still no proof that has been mentioned to the media, to determine exactly whether there was a 4th party involved." If this was a frame-up it is the best job in history.

All the circumstantial evidence points in one direction and it is extremely convincing.
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There is no evidence pointing towards Benoit either, he was found dead along with the others, all we can do is speculate, unless there was a weapon involved some of these crimes are too hard to prove.

The same can be said for the roid rage, that is not fact, it's speculation that fact there were drugs in the house is not in question the question is, did Benoit ever use them? That is another thing that needs to be proved.

JDC! said:
A lot of people who get charged with stuff, didn't actually do it. Although the majority that get in trouble for murder and that actually did do it.
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Most times they have enough evidence to proof that they had a hand in the crime, this does not prove Benoit did do it, to the degree that there is no reason of doubt in which now there is a huge reason of doubt.

See Benoit could have come home and saw both dead and killed himself, or any other thing could have happened, you cannot prove without any doubt that Benoit is the one that caused this.

Unless there was skin under his nails from strangling them, or there were finger prints on the stuff that tied them up. Also him being an atheist makes it strange there was a bible laying beside the bodies.

That one needs explanation as well.
 
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The Majestic said:
If I was a betting man I'd keep my money, I have read too many different reports on this case. And they all do not add up, it's hard to tell who is telling the truth about what.

Just imagine for a second that Benoit had not killed himself, and he was called away and arrived home and saw what the police found could we have proved that Benoit did it? Plus we then have to find a realistic motive I mean I can make up any old motive right now.

Right now we do not know fact from fiction.
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You are looking for reasons to justify an irrational belief. Your reasons are not based in fact or logic. Look at the facts and make an objective call.

It's obvious what happened. The police have released a timeline of what happened. If Benoit came home to find his wife and son dead he would have called the cops, not killed himself. He wouldnt have sent those text messages. He wouldnt have said his wife and kid had food poisoning. etc

If the wife killed herself and the son, she wouldnt have been bound and she wouldnt have died first.

All the other facts point to one conclusion. Benoit killed Nancy on Friday/Saturday, Daniel Saturday/Saturday night, and himself Saturday night/Sunday morning. It is obvious to anyone not in denial.

This on top of the drug abuse, the problems with his marriage, the fact he was on the road year round, the fact his wife was going to leave him and take the kid, the fact that she had previously reported violent threats/assaults and had filed for divorce, the fact (disputed) that his kid suffered a rare disease etc etc.

The only way to look at this circumstantial evidence and believe there is another theory is to live in complete denial of reality. Face facts, Chris Benoit is a murderer; and a child murderer; his own child. Nothing you say about him or his career will change the fact he is a murderous, cowardly scumbag who used his size to intimidate those who he supposedly loved and cared about.
 
The Majestic said:
There is no evidence pointing towards Benoit either, he was found dead along with the others, all we can do is speculate, unless there was a weapon involved some of these crimes are too hard to prove.
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Theres plenty of evidence. First and foremost is the time of deaths. Second is the fact that his wife was killed first and was bound.

The Majestic said:
The same can be said for the roid rage, that is not fact, it's speculation that fact there were drugs in the house is not in question the question is, did Benoit ever use them? That is another thing that needs to be proved.
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Of course he used drugs. He was prescribed 10 months worth of drugs every 3-4 weeks. Either he was gobbling them down like candy or he was selling them, which would be a stupid move for someone in the public eye who is earning 1/2 a million a year to do.

The Majestic said:
Most times they have enough evidence to proof that they had a hand in the crime, this does not prove Benoit did do it, to the degree that there is no reason of doubt in which now there is a huge reason of doubt.
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The only doubt is caused by the lack of a murder weapon such as a gun or knife. That only means it will take a little longer than usual for the cops to come out and conclusively say that Benoit did it. But he did do it.

The Majestic said:
See Benoit could have come home and saw both dead and killed himself, or any other thing could have happened, you cannot prove without any doubt that Benoit is the one that caused this.
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See my previous post.

The Majestic said:
Unless there was skin under his nails from strangling them, or there were finger prints on the stuff that tied them up. Also him being an atheist makes it strange there was a bible laying beside the bodies.

That one needs explanation as well.
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Well apparently he was a born again christian (the worst kind) who turned atheist when Eddie died. Obviously this act was a cry for penance over the horrendous crimes he had committed as well as for turning his back on the faith in the first place. Why do you think people on death row often turn born again? Because they are shitscared and filled with guilt and remorse.
 
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Demonic Ascent said:
You are looking for reasons to justify an irrational belief. Your reasons are not based in fact or logic. Look at the facts and make an objective call.
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Try looking at the fact that Whilst coincidental evidence points one way... PHYSICAL EVIDENCE (you know, the evidence that actually holds up in a court) (ie Tox Report) hasn't come back in yet

Demonic Ascent said:
It's obvious what happened. The police have released a timeline of what happened. If Benoit came home to find his wife and son dead he would have called the cops, not killed himself. He wouldnt have sent those text messages. He wouldnt have said his wife and kid had food poisoning. etc
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1. If you came home and found your Wife and Son dead... wouldn't you be distraught? Seeing two people close to you dead, that would have quite an effect on you!

2. I can only find 5 Text Message's in reports over the internet... All of which refer to his address...got a link for me? Thanks (not being smart, its a serious question)


Demonic Ascent said:
All the other facts point to one conclusion. Benoit killed Nancy on Friday/Saturday, Daniel Saturday/Saturday night, and himself Saturday night/Sunday morning. It is obvious to anyone not in denial.
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The facts actually point to Nancy being killed by Asphyxiation Late friday/early saturday, Daniel Mid to late Saturday, and Chris By hanging Saturday night/early sunday.


Demonic Ascent said:
This on top of the drug abuse, the problems with his marriage, the fact he was on the road year round, the fact his wife was going to leave him and take the kid, the fact that she had previously reported violent threats/assaults and had filed for divorce, the fact (disputed) that his kid suffered a rare disease etc etc.
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As far as the Divorce goes, She wanted The kid full time, and a proportion of his wages, all he wanted was half custody of Daniel... she was asked to prove her claims, and the Divorce was cancelled. the ONLY reports of Violent Threats/assaults were in the Divorce papers, which she cancelled when she was asked to provide evidence to these claims.

Demonic Ascent said:
The only way to look at this circumstantial evidence and believe there is another theory is to live in complete denial of reality.
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I dont recal anyone saying they believe another theory. The likes of myself, Majestic, have simply stuck by our guns, and said that all these rumours while 99% unlikely, are still possible, and will remain possible, until atleast the time Tox reports come back
 
Well once we get the tox screen back, we will know for sure, all we have managed to do was go around in circle and get no where. There is really evidence of all these theories, though no one can prove for sure which one has happened. Though the triple murder with a fourth person in the house seems to be the weaker.
 
I am willing to, if it is proved without any shadow of any doubt that Benoit did do this crime to admit that I was wrong and you were right. While I am not defending anyone I want to know what really happened, and then get answers to why it happened.

I am using what I have heard about how the bodies were found, and other bits and pieces that have been rumoured and compiling what could have happened. Which cannot be proven either way, I am sure the Benoit family and even Nancy's family would like to know why such a terrible thing happened.
 
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