The Law Chris Lane shooting

[vapid1]

Criminals are less likely to commit a crime if the potential victim can shoot back at them. Look at Switzerland for example. One of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world and one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the world. Per capita they have less gun crime, assault, sexual assault, robberies etc than Australia.

 

[Niximus]

Criminals are less likely to commit a crime if the potential victim can shoot back at them. Look at Switzerland for example. One of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world and one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the world. Per capita they have less gun crime, assault, sexual assault, robberies etc than Australia.

That's how you end up with people killed for their wallet... no risk of them shooting back if you take them out first.

 

[vapid1]

That's how you end up with people killed for their wallet... no risk of them shooting back if you take them out first.

Criminals are less likely to commit a crime if the potential victim can shoot back at them. Look at Switzerland for example. One of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world and one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the world. Per capita they have less gun crime, assault, sexual assault, robberies etc than Australia.

 

[Sterge]

Criminals are less likely to commit a crime if the potential victim can shoot back at them. Look at Switzerland for example. One of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world and one of the lowest rates of violent crime in the world. Per capita they have less gun crime, assault, sexual assault, robberies etc than Australia.

Australia is not Switzerland, out culture is much more similar to America and as such if we had guns we would have America's associated gun problems.

Criminals are more likely to shoot you first if they think you can shoot back.

I'm sorry but I like being able to go for a walk on my lunch break and no there is almost zero chance of some ****wit shooting at me

 

[Niximus]

The Swiss guns are mostly rifles and the gun culture is more about sport and hunting than thinking they are safer with them

They also have a considerably higher rate of gun deaths... 3.84 per 100,000 compared to Australia's 1.06.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I never said everyone in Australia should own guns. I said overall violent crime has increased, which your stats confirm as both assaults and sexual assaults have increased over the years.

If law-abiding citizens were allowed to own firearms, I believe those stats would decrease significantly.

No such thing as a law abiding citizen having an automatic weapon in Australia. I don't trust my neighbours to have guns as they haven't got the appropriate training in when/ how to use and not use. And when there is no checks as in the US well you get the results that we see.

Bottom line is that we need to enforce some cultural imperialism for their own good.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-...lty-to-death-of-australian-baseballer/6346050

He deserves a strong punishment yes but 38 years until parole for driving a car when you're 17 is horrendous.

 

[Crankyhawk]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-...lty-to-death-of-australian-baseballer/6346050

He deserves a strong punishment yes but 38 years until parole for driving a car when you're 17 is horrendous.

Likely there will be reduced time till parole when case less public.

 

[Niximus]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-...lty-to-death-of-australian-baseballer/6346050

He deserves a strong punishment yes but 38 years until parole for driving a car when you're 17 is horrendous.

I'll admit I haven't followed every detail of this case, but my understanding was that he was fully aware that he was driving someone for the purpose of finding someone to murder, wasn't he?

If that is the case then IMO he is as guilty as the person who pulled the trigger and he should be thankful that he'll get out some day.

If I'm mistaken and he was just unknowingly driving with friends who planned to kill someone, I'd agree it is harsh, indeed a conviction for anything other than possibly assisting after the fact would be harsh. If however, he has made a choice to go out and be a part of another person's murder, then 38 years isn't that big of sentence IMO.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-...lty-to-death-of-australian-baseballer/6346050

He deserves a strong punishment yes but 38 years until parole for driving a car when you're 17 is horrendous.

wow, you forgot the part where he participated in a conspiracy to commit murder, was an accomplice and accessory to murder.

let me guess the pilot of the enola gay was "just flying a plane"