Chris Masten biting allegation

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im_a_lazy_sod said:
That's multiple head knocks though, mate. One bite is all it takes for something to be transferred.

I see where you're coming from - an elbow could cause massive damage (Solomon on Ling) but I'd say it's very rare for one isolated incident to cause massive damage; it's generally multiple incidents to the same spot that will cause problems for an individual (Jono Brown etc.)
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Nah ....you need a lot of saliva to transfers a disease

Unless Marsten had blood in his mouth ....

More likely Marsten would be infected than Suban ......sorry you're wrong on concussions too

One hit can cause brain damage .....don't need multiple hits
 

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greennick said:
How many issues on the playing field have occurred from biting or blood transfer? At any level of football?
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None - but the potential is definitely there. And that's what my main concern is with it. It's not just a dirty/stupid act. It *can* have more serious ramifications (for either party) - hence why it is an OH&S issue
 
im_a_lazy_sod said:
That's multiple head knocks though, mate. One bite is all it takes for something to be transferred.

I see where you're coming from - an elbow could cause massive damage (Solomon on Ling) but I'd say it's very rare for one isolated incident to cause massive damage; it's generally multiple incidents to the same spot that will cause problems for an individual (Jono Brown etc.)
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Crap, Phil Hughes got hit once in the wrong spot, how many times had he been hit by a bouncer before (not saying that would have been the end result with Silvagni and Cripps), but it's not also impossible for something like that to happen, very fine line with head hits.
 
lol, imagine the uproar from the Eagles fanboys if this was Ballantyne that did it to one of their spud players, like I dunno Shepperd or someone.

Biting is one of the most reprehensible and filthy acts anywhere. Masten got caught and rightfully found guilty.

West Coast supporters really embarrassing themselves.
 
Magnum27 said:
Crap, Phil Hughes got hit once in the wrong spot, how many times had he been hit by a bouncer before (not saying that would have been the end result with Silvagni and Cripps), but it's not also impossible for something like that to happen, very fine line with head hits.
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I said it was very rare for something like that to happen - there have been cases of umpires being hit by cricket balls in the head and dying as well, but they are generally considered freak accidents that occur very rarely.

Repeated hits to the same areas is what causes most. The point I was trying to make was that one transfer of blood/saliva has a lot more potential for long-term issues to occur (although I doubt either player has anything, given the rigorous drug tests that are undertook and the likelihood of the club docs picking something up in tests would be high as well)
 
im_a_lazy_sod said:
I said it was very rare for something like that to happen - there have been cases of umpires being hit by cricket balls in the head and dying as well, but they are generally considered freak accidents that occur very rarely.

Repeated hits to the same areas is what causes most. The point I was trying to make was that one transfer of blood/saliva has a lot more potential for long-term issues to occur (although I doubt either player has anything, given the rigorous drug tests that are undertook and the likelihood of the club docs picking something up in tests would be high as well)
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You'd imagine they'd all be blood tested regularly now with all the sport scientists involved.
 
Not going to read this whole thread, but I'm sure there is plenty of bickering.
Let's just deal with the facts:
Masten has been tried and found guilty by an unbiased jury of upstanding peers of the reprehensible act of biting that is normally confined to children under 5, brain damaged boxers and rabid animals.
Suban has been vindicated in his quest to let the truth be known in a fight against a disgraceful act.

So to summarize, Masten - biter and liar. Suban - good bloke.
 

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Kram81 said:
lol, imagine the uproar from the Eagles fanboys if this was Ballantyne that did it to one of their spud players, like I dunno Shepperd or someone.

Biting is one of the most reprehensible and filthy acts anywhere. Masten got caught and rightfully found guilty.

West Coast supporters really embarrassing themselves.
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Absolutely massive deflection by the whole club. Silvagni did the wrong thing but admitted he was wrong, apologised and showed remorse. Masten and his cohorts tried to blame Suban for a disgusting act. Look, Subes is no angel but I reckon he controlled himself well, I would of snotted Masten if he did that to me. I wonder what some of these people would say if one of their kids got bitten in the playground? Expect them to just play on? Subes was totally within his rights to let the umpy know that he had been bitten and the code is just bullshit. Didn't Daniel Chick dob on Josh Carr and when was found out changed his story?
The whole club has made themselves look like tools in front of the whole AFL
 
Parasite said:
Not going to read this whole thread, but I'm sure there is plenty of bickering.
Let's just deal with the facts:
Masten has been tried and found guilty by an unbiased jury of upstanding peers of the reprehensible act of biting that is normally confined to children under 5, brain damaged boxers and rabid animals.
Suban has been vindicated in his quest to let the truth be known in a fight against a disgraceful act.

So to summarize, Masten - biter and liar. Suban - good bloke.
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Which one is Suarez then :p

Macca81 said:
Did Masten have a mouth guard in? If so the bite is equivalent to a gummy shark
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As others have previously stated, Mike Tyson bit Evander Holyfield's ear pretty badly in a boxing match. Wearing a mouth guard.

The bottom row of teeth still pack a punch
 
Smeg Head said:
Silvangi showing remorse? Pull the other one. Only reason he did that was so they knocked a week off. Anything a coward like him says is worth less then mudd after the fact.
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He said he was remorseful after the tribunal handed down its findings. He apologised, something Mastiff finds too hard to do.

And Cripps has one of those faces that you just have to punch
 
Stopher said:
I'm not sure biting belongs in this 'code' the players always refer to. Maybe the Eagles players paying out on Suban should remember that.
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Maybe they have a better idea of the dodgy shit Suban gets up to that doesn't get ratted out then you?
 
Biting is a shithouse act and 2 weeks is a joke. Either he bit him or he didn't. 2 weeks smacks of hedging bets.

That said, Silvagni's thug act deserved more than 4 weeks too. If I'm faced with someone potentially breaking my skin with a bite or breaking my face with an elbow, I know which one I'd prefer.
 
im_a_lazy_sod said:
None - but the potential is definitely there. And that's what my main concern is with it. It's not just a dirty/stupid act. It *can* have more serious ramifications (for either party) - hence why it is an OH&S issue
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I think you also need to run the likelihood ruler over any of these. OH&S risk assessment always includes likelihood and magnitude. We can't loose sight of that in the rush to grab the pitchforks.
 
Stopher said:
Biting is a shithouse act and 2 weeks is a joke. Either he bit him or he didn't. 2 weeks smacks of hedging bets.

That said, Silvagni's thug act deserved more than 4 weeks too. If I'm faced with someone potentially breaking my skin with a bite or breaking my face with an elbow, I know which one I'd prefer.
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I think that is exactly what they did. The mark on Suban's arm wasn't much of a bite, however skin appeared to be broken so something was going on there, whether it was a bite or his arm just scraped across Masten's mouth was a bit of a he said, she said scenario. Suban clearly contributed to it with his actions after the tackle, it is not like Masten just walked up and bit him. So, they had a bob each way. I thought that was fair enough though probably given the circumstances.

It should have been 50 to Masten on the day (prior to the bite). If the umpires called more of those on the day and stopped players on both sides trying to hurt each other, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
Stopher said:
Biting is a shithouse act and 2 weeks is a joke. Either he bit him or he didn't. 2 weeks smacks of hedging bets.

That said, Silvagni's thug act deserved more than 4 weeks too. If I'm faced with someone potentially breaking my skin with a bite or breaking my face with an elbow, I know which one I'd prefer.
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He didn't, but the tribunal had to say he did for PR value, particularly after their recent caning. hence the very week in between penalty as a token.

This begs the question - why didn't the umpire award a free for intentional high contact off the ball.
 

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