Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates

[dmorris30]

I believe Hall said we can’t base watching pr0n or the likes as a sign of guilt to the murders, hence why they keep stopping certain things, but maybe it’s just that? She found he was leading a double life (lady’s clothing, other tools of the trade) and was spending up big with nothing to show, hotels maybe?

I highly doubt she suspects he was csk and left her daughter with him, I don’t think that is humanly possible as a mother?

You can't force someone to leave the house on a suspicion. She grew up with him as a stepdaughter and probably thought, and maybe still thinks, he's a good man. The stepdaughter is an adult now isn't She? How old was she in Dec 2016 or when the 2nd wife left?

 

[marlinwater]

I assume part if it is to establish the girls went missing from Claremont, murdered soon after and dumped, and that a predator in a Telstra vehicle was offering rides.

It closes loopholes and removes opportunity fir the defence to say, "'SS could gave left the country", "JR could gave git safely home and someone else killed yet the next day" etc. It forces the defence to argue the issue.

So you're saying the case is being established that the girls were abducted from Claremont and now we can look forward to hearing in court next year the evidence that BRE is the person responsible.

That's going to be hard if the fibres, DNA and an alibi cause that to fall over.

Then we'd be left with a lot of unconfirmed and conflicting reports about the girls, no positive ID for BRE being in Claremont at the time of the abductions.

Carmel is right, it's what we don't see is the important thing. Thousands of tip offs to police and none saw BRE do anything with the girls, that certainly is important.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

I assume part if it is to establish the girls went missing from Claremont, murdered soon after and dumped, and that a predator in a Telstra vehicle was offering rides.

It closes loopholes and removes opportunity for the defence to say, "'SS could gave left the country", "JR could have got safely home and someone else killed yet the next day" etc. It forces the defence to argue the issue.

Just saw this Paul S, I realise it's from November, but I hadn't seen it previously. It clearly lays out the Prosecution Strategy in 6 bullet points, then expands on them. The 6th point will be fascinating!

"6.

Edwards's six-hour ​

interview with police" ​

(Bolded by author of article)

This is how the Claremont prosecutor is hoping to convict Bradley Edwards

There is now a clear indication of how the trial of Bradley Edwards for the three alleged murders known as the Claremont serial killings is going to be run over the coming months.

www.abc.net.au

 

[PaulSubetro]

So you're saying the case is being established that the girls were abducted from Claremont and now we can look forward to hearing in court next year the evidence that BRE is the person responsible.

Yep.

That's going to be hard if the fibres, DNA and an alibi cause that to fall over.

I'm all ready in record saying if there's no DNA or the DNA is proven a good chance to have been compromised then he will and should get a not guilty.

Evidence aside, do you seriously think it's not him?

 

[MightyFreo]

But none of these extra phone boxes were between Stirling Rd and Jarrod St.

There was one on cnr Reginald/Broome and one at the main gates of the civic centre but not another one on the highway.

Pretty sure there was a phone box

I think the restaurant is now Claremont Podiatry or maybe the building west of it.

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That's correct
The restaurant was downstairs below street level
I used to do their pest control there at the time
I remember the owner telling me that the cook had seen CG on that night
I think there was a Telstra payphone outside it at the time, since removed.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

This would be a nice photo to have! (From the ABC article I posted above)

"In one, a youthful, fresh-faced 21-year-old stares at the camera while holding an identity board in a classic police mugshot taken after he was arrested for the Hollywood Hospital assault."​

 

[zedx]

The statements were from 1996 to 2000. Accused and Wife 2 separated in 2014-2015, why would his bank statements from then have any relevance to a divorce some 18 years later?

I didnt realise it was only for that short time period, so I am probably very wrong. Thanks for picking that up.

 

[JezzaPerth]

I attended court on 13, 16, 17 December. I drew this map from evidence given by burger boys and multiple other witnesses. I am using my memory of marked up aerial photos and verbal testimony. I have added streetlight positions from a recent aerial photo so the lights may not be exactly as they were then. There may be a light outside the library but I can't see it in the aerial photo.

The base map is open street map. Bond is Troy Bond, who I consider to be a lower value witness, Gray is Brandon Gray, a very high quality witness.

The Bond region could be as far as Freshwater parade to Stirling Rd lights. He was very vague and uncertain. He said the talking was between the streetlight and the traffic lights.
The Gray region is based on his comments that the brake lights came on just after Freshwater Parade

 

[dmorris30]

So you're saying the case is being established that the girls were abducted from Claremont and now we can look forward to hearing in court next year the evidence that BRE is the person responsible.

That's going to be hard if the fibres, DNA and an alibi cause that to fall over.

Then we'd be left with a lot of unconfirmed and conflicting reports about the girls, no positive ID for BRE being in Claremont at the time of the abductions.

Carmel is right, it's what we don't see is the important thing. Thousands of tip offs to police and none saw BRE do anything with the girls, that certainly is important.

So going by what you're saying about no one seeing BE with the victims then how did BEs DNA get under CGs broken fingernail that broke fighting someone? If BE has denied being anywhere near where CG was on the night then he has left himself wide open to being identified as the killer. If he had said he was at one of the pubs or spoke to CG when getting money out if an ATM or ANYTHING to say he'd been in close proximity to her and she had hit and scratched him he could have explained his DNA that way. But the suspects almost always deny being anywhere near the victim at all, thereby sealing their fate.

 

[Ripley]

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He claimed to only have drunk beers. The wife the day before said he had half a bottle of whiskey as well. He was shitfaced!

And of all the other witnesses that night that saw "a car" "a woman" etc, he was the ONLY one who saw CG climb into the back of a Ute. It's no wonder his statement was never made public. Embellished at the very least.

 

[Ripley]

You can't force someone to leave the house on a suspicion. She grew up with him as a stepdaughter and probably thought, and maybe still thinks, he's a good man. The stepdaughter is an adult now isn't She? How old was she in Dec 2016 or when the 2nd wife left?

I believe she was over 21 at the time of arrest. Not a child and I don't believe she was ever under any threat from BRE.

 

[dmorris30]

I believe she was over 21 at the time of arrest. Not a child and I don't believe she was ever under any threat from BRE.

Yep. All you can do is advise them. You can't force them to leave. The second wife was obviously frightened though. We will find out why after the trial unfortunately.

 

[Kurve]

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And of all the other witnesses that night that saw "a car" "a woman" etc, he was the ONLY one who saw CG climb into the back of a Ute. It's no wonder his statement was never made public. Embellished at the very least.

Climbing into the rear with a leg up is a bit weird, she had a shortish skirt on and drunk or not I'm just not seeing she would have done that when there's seats. Unless it was under coercion which also doesn't seem likely on a main road with street lights.

 

[Pasthispeak]

If you think that looks like Camilla Parker-bowles
You mean the self-confessed rapist patsy?

Everyone knows he is the guilty party , has never provided an alibi for the nights they went missing or how his dna ended up under Glennons fingernail. That girl is the hero as her action is the only thing that will bring him down

 

[marlinwater]

Evidence aside, do you seriously think it's not him?

I would estimate that 99.9% of this forum would believe police have charged the right man (and I'm not in that 0.1%)
However, I'm saying I went to court and heard how a woman was talking to a Telstra driver for 20 minutes who gave her a lift to Innaloo before he got out and tried to kiss her and she soon after gave police details of the man's identity that did not fit BRE.
And yet we are supposed to believe a woman driving her car who saw a man 40m away standing behind his car in the dark in Dean St after a one second glance with a description she gave to police that more resembles BRE.
If nobody can put BRE as driving the van or car who picked up girls and the other evidence is equally as tenuous, then nobody should be upset that he walks free after serving only his term he gets for rape.

 

[Sepai]

Depends on perception.

Some say patsy, some say rapist who abducted a woman, bound and gagged her and brutally r*ped her.

The KK incident shows us that they have the correct person locked up. If he wasn't disturbed at KK the outcome could have been worse. Security at HH saw a Telstra vehicle driving slowly like it was looking for something or somebody. A Patsy is setup. he set up victims. The Cottesloe number one suspect took the heat off BRE. And a lot of Women have gone missing over the years. A lot of high profile cases have also gone South in Western Australia. It's one thing charging someone for three murders. They still have to prove it. It looks like it's all down to DNA. If the DNA takes a hit at least they are gathering circumstantial evidence.

 

[JezzaPerth]

I would estimate that 99.9% of this forum would believe police have charged the right man (and I'm not in that 0.1%)
However, I'm saying I went to court and heard how a woman was talking to a Telstra driver for 20 minutes who gave her a lift to Innaloo before he got out and tried to kiss her and she soon after gave police details of the man's identity that did not fit BRE.
And yet we are supposed to believe a woman driving her car who saw a man 40m away standing behind his car in the dark in Dean St after a one second glance with a description she gave to police that more resembles BRE.
If nobody can put BRE as driving the van or car who picked up girls and the other evidence is equally as tenuous, then nobody should be upset that he walks free after serving only his term he gets for rape.

The propensity evidence is pretty strong though. He has admitted the rape which is very similar MO. There will be evidence of the found victims being restrained in some way, and the state of their clothing.

Yovich will push the DNA and fibre angle as much as he can. I think he will fail.

 

[marlinwater]

... how did BEs DNA get under CGs broken fingernail that broke fighting someone?

CG was extremely smart and courageous to have the DNA under her nail.
That evidence has yet to be tested in court.
For fear of being derailed, Rory Christie in Shenton Park went to jail for years after the jury decided his murdered wife's blood on his tie was enough to convict him. At his appeal, there was no talk about that spot of blood and he was set free. The murderer still hasn't been found.
If it can be proved in court that DNA from the rape was mixed with DNA under the thumb nail, where does that leave us?
Stranger things have happened.
I am not supporting the women I heard talking together at a pre trial hearing that they don't care if he's found guilty or not that BRE should still go to prison for being a creep.

 

[Feerits Elf]

CG was extremely smart to have the DNA under her nail.

 

[marlinwater]

If there's something to learn from all this is that if a person is being attacked they should do all they can to get something that will identify the perpetrator later and that's what I think CG did.
Brave, smart, quick thinking and courageous was CG and the person who did that to her should rot in hell after spending the rest of their life in prison - that's my imo anyway.

 

[Chameleon75]

CG was extremely smart and courageous to have the DNA under her nail.
That evidence has yet to be tested in court.
For fear of being derailed, Rory Christie in Shenton Park went to jail for years after the jury decided his murdered wife's blood on his tie was enough to convict him. At his appeal, there was no talk about that spot of blood and he was set free. The murderer still hasn't been found.
If it can be proved in court that DNA from the rape was mixed with DNA under the thumb nail, where does that leave us?
Stranger things have happened.
I am not supporting the women I heard talking together at a pre trial hearing that they don't care if he's found guilty or not that BRE should still go to prison for being a creep.

wife being the operative word, lot harder to explain how your DNA found it’s way to a stranger. Basically it’s contamination or he’s gone.

 

[Girlnextdoor]

This would be a nice photo to have!

CG was extremely smart and courageous to have the DNA under her nail.
That evidence has yet to be tested in court.
For fear of being derailed, Rory Christie in Shenton Park went to jail for years after the jury decided his murdered wife's blood on his tie was enough to convict him. At his appeal, there was no talk about that spot of blood and he was set free. The murderer still hasn't been found.
If it can be proved in court that DNA from the rape was mixed with DNA under the thumb nail, where does that leave us?
Stranger things have happened.
I am not supporting the women I heard talking together at a pre trial hearing that they don't care if he's found guilty or not that BRE should still go to prison for being a creep.

I think by "creep" they meant for being a confessed rapist, he should and WILL go to prison for that! I too have heard people saying outrageous stuff, just as well it's judge only hey?

 

[dmorris30]

If there's something to learn from all this is that if a person is being attacked they should do all they can to get something that will identify the perpetrator later and that's what I think CG did.
Brave, smart, quick thinking and courageous was CG and the person who did that to her should rot in hell after spending the rest of their life in prison - that's my imo anyway.

And they should never leave the area. If threatened with a knife or a gun you scream and run. Although the police say you should zigzag as you run away so they miss you if shooting at you. I, however, think that would be bloody hilarious to see someone zigzagging while screaming. Yes I'm terrible Muriel.

 

[Feerits Elf]

If there's something to learn from all this is that if a person is being attacked they should do all they can to get something that will identify the perpetrator later

No, if a person is being attacked they should do all they can to defend themselves against the attack and escape.

and that's what I think CG did. Brave, smart, quick thinking

You high? She was fighting with the dude to defend herself.

 

[marlinwater]

I think by "creep" they meant for being a confessed rapist, he should and WILL go to prison for that! I too have heard people saying outrageous stuff, just as well it's judge only hey?

He hadn't pleaded guilty to the rapes at that stage. They were just perhaps going by his appearance in the artists impression the paper.