Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

[parano1a]

I'm sick of people in here whingeing that the draw is rigged and Collingwood travel less than other sides... this is blatantly untrue.

Let's look at some FACTS here.

Firstly, for the Interstate clubs:

All six of the interstate clubs travel 10 times. Can't do much about this, it's the way it works out when there are 10 Victorians and 6 non-Victorians in a 16 team comp, with each team playing 11 "home" and 11 "away" games. Fact of life. Get over it.

Now, looking at the Victorian clubs:

Several clubs CHOOSE TO SELL "home" games interstate for financial incentive. You can't have it both ways and complain about travelling too much when you willingly sell off your home games. This is not unfair AFL scheduling.

Here is the breakdown of "away" interstate games each of the Victorian clubs play in 2004:

Hawthorn 3
Collingwood 4
Essendon 4
St Kilda 4
Carlton 5
Geelong 5
Melbourne 5
Richmond 5
Western Bulldogs 5

Looks pretty even to me, all teams travelling either 4 or 5 times ... the Hawks are the lucky ones with only 3 interstate trips. But how can all these other clubs accuse Collingwood of never travelling when they travel one game less than five Victorian clubs, the equal amount with two other Vic clubs, and one game more than one Vic club?

The draw isn't completely random I'll admit, but as to the travel aspect, I cannot fathom why so many people are claiming Collingwood have a much easier run than other clubs. This is simply not the case.

 

[anduril]

You're blinkered pal....look...the hardest road trip in aussie footy is the one to Perth....Collingwood have been THREE times in the last four years.....Carlton SEVEN...wake up to yourself.

 

[gold cup 1996]

Even taking away our HOME GAMES in Canberra we still played in Perth twice (always- this joint is becoming a 2nd home), Adelaide twice and Brisbane. Another thing people don't realise is the Preseason comp when was the last time Collingwood played interstate in the pre season comp, should have played last years night Grand Final in Adelaide. At North we go to Canberra ( I must say our doing ) but if we happen to win that and come up against an Interstate side back on the bus again to Tullamarine, which we more than often do, always seem to somehow play in Adelaide in the pre season with a couple of trips to Perth or Brisbane as well over the years.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by parano1a


Several clubs CHOOSE TO SELL "home" games interstate for financial incentive. You can't have it both ways and complain about travelling too much when you willingly sell off your home games. This is not unfair AFL scheduling.

and in his next post parano1a will tell us whether the chicken or the egg came first, and will be misplaced on that score too.

 

[taff wa]

Originally posted by gold cup 1996
Another thing people don't realise is the Preseason comp when was the last time Collingwood played interstate in the pre season comp, .

Collingwood played West Coast in 2001 pre season at Subiaco, so that means they travelled to Perth 3 times in that season.

 

[garygusart]

There have been years when collingwood travelled twice to W.A and twice to S.A and missed out on the easy trip to Sydney and Brisbane. It all works out in the end...

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by parano1a
The draw isn't completely random I'll admit, but as to the travel aspect, I cannot fathom why so many people are claiming Collingwood have a much easier run than other clubs. This is simply not the case.

And the fact that the draw isn't completely random, definitely isn't the fault of the Collingwood Football Club.

It isn't inherently the fault of the AFL either! When they get clubs like the Bulldogs, St Kilda and Melbourne, on their knees begging the AFL to prioritise a home game against Collingwood and the AFL accomodates them as best as they possibly can, why isn't some of the blame directed at these clubs?

If you really care that much about Collingwood playing six interstate games, then forgo your home game request against us (ie. throw away money in the bank)!

The AFL isn't perfect, but I consider they'd go as close as they can to matching every clubs' key requests.

And on another note, we have an exemplary record of interstate travel over the past 4 years (well in excess of 50%) and we haven't lost a return game from a road trip for the past three seasons. Enough said!

 

[Joffaboy]

Re: Re: Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

Originally posted by FIGJAM
It isn't inherently the fault of the AFL either! When they get clubs like the Bulldogs, St Kilda and Melbourne, on their knees begging the AFL to prioritise a home game against Collingwood and the AFL accomodates them as best as they possibly can, why isn't some of the blame directed at these clubs?

As opposed to Collingwood on their knees begging to reatai Anzac Day as their cash cow. Funny you wobble fool, the only prioritized game the Saints requested was the Easter monday game against Richmond. Try at least to get your facts right, otherwise you make even a bigger fool of yourself.

The fact that the Saints have a rare as hens teeth home game against Collingwobble is a quirk of the draw.

The fact that Collingwood is an AFl endorsed welfare recipient is enshrined in AFL legistlation.

If you really care that much about Collingwood playing six interstate games, then forgo your home game request against us (ie. throw away money in the bank)!

Argument crushed in previous points. Why dont you give up your AFL endorsed blockbusters, Anzac Day, first game of the season.

The AFL isn't perfect, but I consider they'd go as close as they can to matching every clubs' key requests.

They are perfect for Collingwood in this instance, like every year.
3 times to Perth in four years while teams like the Saints Carlton and the Bulldogs have gone there 7 times. Since Freos intro in the AFL the Wobbles have gone 8 times to Perth, the Saints 16.

on another note, we have an exemplary record of interstate travel over the past 4 years (well in excess of 50%) and we haven't lost a return game from a road trip for the past three seasons. Enough said!

Enough said from you ignoramous, you got that right.

BTW I really couldn't care less if Collingwood never travelled, as

1) i think 4 times is fair enough (this year)
2) I am happy with the Saints draw.

But dont ignorantly use the Saints in your turgid arguments when you obviously have no idea what we requested.

FYI and for your knowledge base.


ST KILDA’S REQUESTS
• Two home games at York Park.
• Play Richmond on Easter Monday.
• Two of first three games at Telstra Dome against Melbourne based clubs.
• Preference for Friday night and Saturday night matches.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Why is Collingwood being blamed for the draw? The dimwits at the AFL made the draw, they are more worried about the money side of the AFL rather then the "Fairness" of the AFL. Look at what the VFL did with Tasmania, gave them 2 home finals both getting a lot of people through the gates. It wasn't fair for the two teams that had to travel, but the VFL made money on it.

 

[guess_who]

Let's look at the facts shall we Collingwood and Essendon are the two biggest Victorian drawing clubs. therefore they are not going to travel as much as other teams because they are keeping teams like Bulldogs in business. As for the post, I was going to one very similar it's a very good point. Clubs like Melbourne are complaining that they play in Brisbane ( A Home game that they decided to sell) then play away in perth the next week. Seems only fair to me, One home Followed by and away game

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by guess_who
Let's look at the facts shall we Collingwood and Essendon are the two biggest Victorian drawing clubs. therefore they are not going to travel as much as other teams because they are keeping teams like Bulldogs in business. As for the post, I was going to one very similar it's a very good point. Clubs like Melbourne are complaining that they play in Brisbane ( A Home game that they decided to sell) then play away in perth the next week. Seems only fair to me, One home Followed by and away game

No team should complain about travelling after moving home games interstate. As well as that no club should complain about the amount of interstate travel they do if they move home games interstate.
The Saints play six interstate games, but two are home games in Launceston, so in reality they only play interstate in four away games.
However, over time all Vic teams should have to play interstate, especially in Perth, roughly the same amount of times.
This is where the Pies are getting a distinct advantage over some teams.

As we all know the Wobbles are great revenue raising assets (have to be good at somethig, they cant win flags). So if the AFl want to have Collingwood play revenue raising games in Melbourne, the teams that are disadvantaged by this should be compsentated.

 

[FIGJAM]

Re: Re: Re: Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

Originally posted by Joffaboy

Originally posted by FIGJAM
It isn't inherently the fault of the AFL either! When they get clubs like the Bulldogs, St Kilda and Melbourne, on their knees begging the AFL to prioritise a home game against Collingwood and the AFL accomodates them as best as they possibly can, why isn't some of the blame directed at these clubs?

As opposed to Collingwood on their knees begging to reatai Anzac Day as their cash cow. Funny you wobble fool, the only prioritized game the Saints requested was the Easter monday game against Richmond. Try at least to get your facts right, otherwise you make even a bigger fool of yourself.

The fact that the Saints have a rare as hens teeth home game against Collingwobble is a quirk of the draw.

The fact that Collingwood is an AFl endorsed welfare recipient is enshrined in AFL legistlation.

If you really care that much about Collingwood playing six interstate games, then forgo your home game request against us (ie. throw away money in the bank)!

Argument crushed in previous points. Why dont you give up your AFL endorsed blockbusters, Anzac Day, first game of the season.

The AFL isn't perfect, but I consider they'd go as close as they can to matching every clubs' key requests.

They are perfect for Collingwood in this instance, like every year.
3 times to Perth in four years while teams like the Saints Carlton and the Bulldogs have gone there 7 times. Since Freos intro in the AFL the Wobbles have gone 8 times to Perth, the Saints 16.

on another note, we have an exemplary record of interstate travel over the past 4 years (well in excess of 50%) and we haven't lost a return game from a road trip for the past three seasons. Enough said!

Enough said from you ignoramous, you got that right.

BTW I really couldn't care less if Collingwood never travelled, as

1) i think 4 times is fair enough (this year)
2) I am happy with the Saints draw.

But dont ignorantly use the Saints in your turgid arguments when you obviously have no idea what we requested.

FYI and for your knowledge base.


ST KILDA’S REQUESTS
• Two home games at York Park.
• Play Richmond on Easter Monday.
• Two of first three games at Telstra Dome against Melbourne based clubs.
• Preference for Friday night and Saturday night matches.

If you want to get personal you useless dumb troll, then at least get it through your thick head that my St Kilda reference wasn't a direct attack on your useless friggen club.

I will eat some humble pie, as I didn't fully know my facts. We put in two requests and only had one granted. That was to travel interstate only four times. Given that our other request was denied, we only got one through. Most other clubs got all of them (up to 5 requests) so I hardly think being granted one request is worthy of "AFL welfare" status!

However, your list of requests above, not surprisingly, were misleading. You unequivocally requester a home game against the Collingwood Football Club. So don't LIE!!

ANZAC Day isn't kept as a "cash-cow" you moron, it's a ****en tradition. Show some respect! We didn't have a mortgage on the game this year and we sure as hell don't next year.

You have finally shown some initiative to find your own friggen tradition, instead of whinging like a little b**** about how you should get a slice of our tradition. I told you to be pro-active and you did. Hoo-bloody-ray!!

It's not our fault the AFL schedule games the way they do. The do it for their own benefit. Rest assured, they don't really give a **** how much money we make, so long as their coffers are bulging!

Eitherway, I'm not wasting any more of my time on a troll like you. You, grayham and Chris_Judd should have a very happy marriage together.

 

[MarkT]

Re: Re: Re: Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

Originally posted by Joffaboy
The fact that Collingwood is an AFl endorsed welfare recipient is enshrined in AFL legistlation.

You made that up!

Originally posted by Joffaboy
Argument crushed in previous points. Why dont you give up your AFL endorsed blockbusters, Anzac Day, first game of the season.

Crushed! LOL! You seriously over rate yourself some time Joffa.

Anyway, back to Earth mate, why wouldn't/shouldn't Collingwood make the same draw requests as other clubs? Who ever said Collingwood don't want the ANZAC game anyway? Sure they do. They love it. Who ever said Collingwood want to travel more? It isn't the bogey for Collingwood you would like to make out but why the heck would we WANT more travel? Why would we have any responsibility to ask for it? That's just fairytale stuff. Are you trying to make out there is some sort of hypocracy in not being the only club asking for something negatove in the draw?

Originally posted by Joffaboy
They are perfect for Collingwood in this instance, like every year.

Lots of things work out well for a Club that drags masses through the gates and gets masses to watch on TV. Ask your president how that works. How is it something Collingwood should actively try and change? Should be be less successful off field?

Originally posted by Joffaboy
3 times to Perth in four years while teams like the Saints Carlton and the Bulldogs have gone there 7 times. Since Freos intro in the AFL the Wobbles have gone 8 times to Perth, the Saints 16.

Yes these are facts. that doesn't adress the issue though does it. Clubs ask for home games against Collingwood and complain when they don't get them. That is why the travel is limited. The only answer is a random draw and disregard of revenus maximisation via the draw and it's impact on the broadcast deal. That is what it amounts to. The clubs can make that happen. They CHOOSE not to. The clubs could all demand a random draw. If every club except Collingwood and Essendon did that they could get one. They won't do it though.

Originally posted by Joffaboy
Enough said from you ignoramous, you got that right.

You resort to this too often Joffa. Your hair trigger I guess. FIGJAM is well and truely among the less ignorant on here. I worry about you sometiomes though.

Originally posted by Joffaboy
But dont ignorantly use the Saints in your turgid arguments when you obviously have no idea what we requested.

Easy there Duke! Saints were part of a list he made and the fact is he was absolutely correct in principle. If you are right (I am ignorant too as I don't know for sure who requested what) then there was one club on his list that shouldn't have been there. Perhaps there are other and perhaps there are clubs that should have been on it. Does that change the point?

 

[Joffaboy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

Originally posted by FIGJAM

Oh dear twigged a nerve did I ingnoramous?

If you want to get personal you useless dumb troll, then at least get it through your thick head that my St Kilda reference wasn't a direct attack on your useless friggen club.

Bulls .hit it was atypically arrogant and misinformed attack on my club, dont try and wiggle out of it now you have been caught out.

I will eat some humble pie, as I didn't fully know my facts. We put in two requests and only had one granted. That was to travel interstate only four times. Given that our other request was denied, we only got one through. Most other clubs got all of them (up to 5 requests) so I hardly think being granted one request is worthy of "AFL welfare" status!

Relevance on relation to your flagrant and factually incorrect attack on the Saints?

However, your list of requests above, not surprisingly, were misleading. You unequivocally requester a home game against the Collingwood Football Club. So don't LIE!!


http://saints.com.au/default.asp?pg=fixture

Unless of course the AFL is lying on their Telstra website - fool.

ANZAC Day isn't kept as a "cash-cow" you moron, it's a ****en tradition. Show some respect! We didn't have a mortgage on the game this year and we sure as hell don't next year.

So Collingwood and Essendon dont make any money from this gifted fixture each and every single year

here is a definition of tradition.

" The unwritten or oral delivery of information, opinions,
doctrines, practices, rites, and customs, from father to
son, or from ancestors to posterity; the transmission of
any knowledge, opinions, or practice, from forefathers to
descendants by oral communication, without written
memorials."

So Essendon and Collingwood have made a "tradition" from playing Anzac Day for 8 years? Not exactly a tradition is it son?


You have finally shown some initiative to find your own friggen tradition, instead of whinging like a little b**** about how you should get a slice of our tradition. I told you to be pro-active and you did. Hoo-bloody-ray!!

Umm have a look at definition of tradition son. Dear me. Mabye we should be like the WCE and start a "new" tradition as a typically ignorant (wasn't you FIGJAM was it?) TV commentator calling the WCE players giving the ball to some unworthy kid at the game.

Tradition my arse. Cash cow Cash cow Cash cow mooooooooo.

It's not our fault the AFL schedule games the way they do. The do it for their own benefit. Rest assured, they don't really give a **** how much money we make, so long as their coffers are bulging!

Finally some thought in your posts. Exactly right.

Eitherway, I'm not wasting any more of my time on a troll like you. You, grayham and Chris_Judd should have a very happy marriage together.

Love the way once you have been completely flattened by fact, and shown to be just an arrogant little ignoramous, you call someone a troll.

You were the one that incorrectly arrogantly and incorrectly trolled that my club begged to play Collingwood. I smashed you with facts and sources.

You are nothing but p .!ss and wind.

 

[FIGJAM]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

Originally posted by Joffaboy
You were the one that incorrectly arrogantly and incorrectly trolled that my club begged to play Collingwood. I smashed you with facts and sources.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=114156

http://sportsaustralia.com/articles/aug03/artid204.html

The AFL one included an interview with Brian Waldron!

Smash me harder you ****en lightweight!!

 

[Joffaboy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

Originally posted by FIGJAM
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=114156

http://sportsaustralia.com/articles/aug03/artid204.html

The AFL one included an interview with Brian Waldron!

Smash me harder you ****en lightweight!!

Great comeback p !ss and wind.

First link didn't work and second link was from some c .ockhead journo.

If the first link had a interview with Waldron, all he said was he was happy to play Collingwood at home.

Have a look at the the original link i put down dipstick that is what the Saints requested.

You are the lightweight you trolling filth clown.

PS - have a nice day

 

[carringbush]

Hey figjam dont you just love the way they all suffer from Magpie envy. I LOVE IT

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by carringbush
Hey figjam dont you just love the way they all suffer from Magpie envy. I LOVE IT

Got anything sensible to say?

Dont fall back on that hoary old chestnut. The whole reason i posted to this thread was because of FIGJAM's incorrect and arrogant troll.

And what prey tell would we be jealous of bush? You great flag winning efforts in the past 45 years? Hmmmmmmmm. have a little think before you post idiocies. But then again you do follow the Wobbles dont you.

 

[Mr Q]

The point isn't that Collingwood never travel, its that they rarely do the most difficult road trip for a Vic team - that to Perth.

That is backed up by stats that show that since '95 Collingwood have travelled to Perth less than any other team (including Port and the Lions who entered the competition in '97). Notably in recent years Collingwood have only travelled to Perth twice in one season; conspiracy theorists can have a field day with the fact that it was the year after the Perth teams finished 14th and 16th...

Originally posted by carringbush
Hey figjam dont you just love the way they all suffer from Magpie envy. I LOVE IT

I think most people are too busy envying Brisbane right now to bother with Collingwood. When Collingwood win three in a row we'll all envy them.

 

[skipper kelly]

Originally posted by Mr Q
I think most people are too busy envying Brisbane right now to bother with Collingwood. When Collingwood win three in a row we'll all envy them.

I, for one, will never envy Collingwood. I do feel sorry for them. I cant imagine what it would be like growing up barracking for them. Poor souls. But, on a more positive note it keeps therapists in business.

 

[kahuna71]

Originally posted by carringbush
Hey figjam dont you just love the way they all suffer from Magpie envy. I LOVE IT

you are delusional - of all the teams I would support after my own, the filth are at the bottom by a country mile. Many others would agree with me, so you are welcome to it.

 

[captain ebert]

colonwood dont travel to perth, because they were saving themselves for the big trip west, to london....

so when they do go west, they go on a publicity junket that is more or less an exercise to increase colonwood's profile....

why is that? how were the 2 teams for london chosen in the first place?

 

[Falchoon]

Re: Re: Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

Originally posted by FIGJAM
And the fact that the draw isn't completely random, definitely isn't the fault of the Collingwood Football Club.

I'd be interested to know who the first club was that presented a request in the draw

Originally posted by FIGJAM

It isn't inherently the fault of the AFL either! When they get clubs like the Bulldogs, St Kilda and Melbourne, on their knees begging the AFL to prioritise a home game against Collingwood and the AFL accomodates them as best as they possibly can, why isn't some of the blame directed at these clubs?

because these clubs are merely playing catch up in the draw rigging stakes

Originally posted by FIGJAM

If you really care that much about Collingwood playing six interstate games, then forgo your home game request against us (ie. throw away money in the bank)!

Aren't we forecasting a profit this year? How much did the Collingwood home game contribute to that? In a random draw we'd have a home game v you in 3 out of every 4 seasons, considering there was not one this year it'd be your turn to play us away.

Originally posted by FIGJAM

The AFL isn't perfect, but I consider they'd go as close as they can to matching every clubs' key requests.

True, when they realise the average fan is more interested in a sporting (in all forms of the word) contest they'll be closer to perfect.

Originally posted by FIGJAM

And on another note, we have an exemplary record of interstate travel over the past 4 years (well in excess of 50%) and we haven't lost a return game from a road trip for the past three seasons. Enough said!

and over the last 10 years?

 

[understudy]

Re: Re: Re: Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

Originally posted by Joffaboy

The fact that Collingwood is an AFl endorsed welfare recipient is enshrined in AFL legistlation.

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Yep and loving it. Thankyou AFL. Thankyou Joffa.

The world is good.

2004, Year of the Magpie!

 

[FIGJAM]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Collingwood never travel? Look at the FACTS

Originally posted by Joffaboy
First link didn't work and second link was from some c .ockhead journo.

If the first link had a interview with Waldron, all he said was he was happy to play Collingwood at home.

Have a look at the the original link i put down dipstick that is what the Saints requested.

You are the lightweight you trolling filth clown.

The link works fine Liarboy.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=114156

The second article from a reitterated the AFL spiel.

How can Waldron state that he was happy to play Collingwood at home, if the draw wasn't even out yet? The article was from August. Why did he mention Collingwood at all??

Eitherway, my initial contention that we are used by the lower clubs and the AFL stands. It is well supported and well reasoned. I suggest you learn how to do the same, before calling people names, which as MarkT rightly pointed out, are ironic in nature!