News Collingwood to Make Play For A Big Name Player

[Obese Arachnid]

Oh, if that's the case, then that sketch is knackered, disregard.

 

[Hotpiescoldbeers]

Sam Gilbert possibly ? Hes currently on the outta due to his photo collection

 

[thecig]

Sam Gilbert possibly ? Hes currently on the outta due to his photo collection

2 years ago yes, but now he just seems to butcher the ball/take naked pics of his team mates...

 

[Dundalis]

Why do people keep making up reasons for why we couldn't get Goddard that don't exist? We aren't going to trade for him, we'd get him for free in free agency.

As far as salary cap issues goes, from what I can see there will be an 11% increase in the cap as early as next year. It hasn't been signed off yet obviously but there will be a significant increase in the salary cap. We'd still need to be creative with our contracts, but I think it could be worked out.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

2 years ago yes, but now he just seems to butcher the ball/take naked pics of his team mates...

He'd be better with a better team. All players are like that in a team sport.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Goddard would be the pick up of 2012 for the pies, fair to say i'd be more than happy if we do draft him.. can i have a photo of Goddard in a collingwood guernsey please

 

[September Action]

He'd be better with a better team. All players are like that in a team sport.

He would be in a better team. Need a wider angle lens for starters!

 

[A Warrior named Lica]

Goddard had his chance to join Collingwood.
He got cold feet at the 11th hour.

 

[PK]

Delusional

 

[thecig]

Yeah but can you imagine the Aints board going into meltdown if it did?

Something like this?
http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

 

[thecig]

Goddard had his chance to join Collingwood.
He got cold feet at the 11th hour.

Que?

http://members.iinet.com.au/~oilandgas/fellows/mrt-que.jpg

 

[rdangelo]

Delusional

We don't need Goddard, lets just sign up the Essendon twin-tower superstars..

wait for it..

Gumbleton & J. Neagle

Spuds.

Worry about your own crappy list mate.

 

[Old Spice]

In 2012, I don't see it as at all bizzare that we might be in with a strong chance to try and nab Goddard.

At that point there will be two options if Goddard wants to leave. The first, the GWS route where St Kilda would be compensated via the AFL. The second the Free Agency route where, from my understanding, the AFL would also be the ones to provide the compensation.

If Goddard decides to leave at the end of 2012, the Saints are set to lose him either way. They could chooose to match a FA offer to us to retain him, but would not be able to do so if he choose the GWS option. In other words, if he wants to leave, he is gone.

The real issue then does not become, how do we hold him against his will, but if he wants to go, how are we compensated. If the AFL is to provide the compo in both instances, wouldn't that compo be the same? If the compo is the same, what difference would it make to St Kilda if he came to us or GWS - especially in light of St Kilda in that situation would likely not to be competing against us for a flag in the next few years, but rebuilding?

But even if it became thorny, and Goddard had to nominate a high-price, Ball style, we'd simply do the same thing we did with Ball, i.e. pay overs for two years and then re-negotiate the contract to spread the load.

The real question at the end of 2012 would be where Goddard wants to go and if he chose us, could we afford it.

In terms of salary cap room, people seem to hold a very undynamic view of the situation. Quite apart from the fact that last year we freed up a mill and will free up something similar in the next 2 years through retirements and vets listings which should be able to cover the wage demands of our up-and-comers, we'll also have an extra million from the CBA and ASA.

The Tarrant example illuminates nothing at all. We didn't say to Taz we can only pay you X because that's all we have in the piggy-bank, but we can only afford to pay you X in the context of our forward planning.

To think that a team like Collingwood and Geoff Walsh would not have money earmarked to make a serious play for a top-line player when FA comes into play at the end of 2012 is astoundingly naive to me.

The club would not be stupid enough to bring in a rock-star on 700k p.a., but only one who would enter on the understanding that they'd not eclipse our top line, but get parity on @500k. A couple of trades would make some serious ground on that wage claim.

 

[mattys123]

I may be wrong, but won't Goddard be an unrestricted free agent (10 years service and top 25% of TPP at Stkilda) at the end of next season?

And if so, he could simply walk out on the Saints and come to a club like the Pies (or another contender) for a smaller fee then the Saints are actually willing to pay him.

St Kilda would still get compensation via AFL allocated draft picks, but Goddard could walk away and St Kilda would have no say in it.

Isn't next year Goddards' 10th year? (Debuted in 2003 I believe).

And therefore Goddard would fall under Category 5;

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=89809

5. A player has served ten or more seasons of AFL football at one club, has already come out of contract once in the period after serving his first eight or more seasons at his club, and is now out of contract.

The player is eligible to field offers from all rival clubs.

If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.

His club does NOT have the right to match the presented offer, and the player can move AUTOMATICALLY to the new club of his choice.

His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula.

 

[Temploar]

I may be wrong, but won't Goddard be an unrestricted free agent (10 years service and top 25% of TPP at Stkilda) at the end of next season?

And if so, he could simply walk out on the Saints and come to a club like the Pies (or another contender) for a smaller fee then the Saints are actually willing to pay him.

St Kilda would still get compensation via AFL allocated draft picks, but Goddard could walk away and St Kilda would have no say in it.

Isn't next year Goddards' 10th year? (Debuted in 2003 I believe).

And therefore Goddard would fall under Category 5;

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=89809

Taken Pick 1 2002.
Birthday: 20/05/1985.

 

[PK]

We don't need Goddard, lets just sign up the Essendon twin-tower superstars..

wait for it..

Gumbleton & J. Neagle

Spuds.

Worry about your own crappy list mate.

Hurley.

But aside from that, I didn't realise the team I support would render my opinion invalid. I thought we were discussing Goddard going to Collingwood...which, in my opinion, will never happen.

It's just an opinion bro, relax.

 

[SchuPie]

Goddard had his chance to join Collingwood.
He got cold feet at the 11th hour.

I remember listen to SEN/MMM at the end of 2004 (i think) and they were discussing a meeting b/w MM + ? + Goddard to come to the Pies.
I believe the amount quoted at the time was $350K

 

[Syphoncom]

Hurley.

But aside from that, I didn't realise the team I support would render my opinion invalid. I thought we were discussing Goddard going to Collingwood...which, in my opinion, will never happen.

It's just an opinion bro, relax.

Articulate it better then. Posts like that are obviously seen as antagonistic, you're not doing yourself any good going to an opposition board and being a jerk.

 

[Ed D]

I may be wrong, but won't Goddard be an unrestricted free agent (10 years service and top 25% of TPP at Stkilda) at the end of next season?

And if so, he could simply walk out on the Saints and come to a club like the Pies (or another contender) for a smaller fee then the Saints are actually willing to pay him.

St Kilda would still get compensation via AFL allocated draft picks, but Goddard could walk away and St Kilda would have no say in it.

Isn't next year Goddards' 10th year? (Debuted in 2003 I believe).

And therefore Goddard would fall under Category 5;

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=89809

That's correct, clubs can only match offers to keep them when the player is in his 9th & 10th years at the club. After that the player can walk for a minimum wage if they wanted.

 

[Old Spice]

I may be wrong, but won't Goddard be an unrestricted free agent (10 years service and top 25% of TPP at Stkilda) at the end of next season?

And if so, he could simply walk out on the Saints and come to a club like the Pies (or another contender) for a smaller fee then the Saints are actually willing to pay him.

St Kilda would still get compensation via AFL allocated draft picks, but Goddard could walk away and St Kilda would have no say in it.

Isn't next year Goddards' 10th year? (Debuted in 2003 I believe).

And therefore Goddard would fall under Category 5;

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=89809

That's quite right. He would have gone to the Blues (who he supported) in 2002 - and Lyon as an assistant at the Blues then was all over him. But you cheat and get screwed.

But your point is correct Matty. By the end of 2012 that would be 10 years, not 8, so he then enjoys the 10 year unrestricted FA rules, which makes my above point somewhat diminished. Presuming he signed a two year deal after his 8th year.

The AFL compo would still be the same as it would have been after an 8 year, restricted FA deal, but Goddard would be in a position to choose his wage and club.

I'd hope that Carlton would be on the mediocre level by then, but there's a good chance Goddard might wish to come to us with somewhat diminished income.

 

[blaze036]

Isn't the word on the street that goddard will be traded to GWS so saints can start rebuilding (which they desperately need to do or they'll be in trouble).

 

[Ed D]

Isn't the word on the street that goddard will be traded to GWS so saints can start rebuilding (which they desperately need to do or they'll be in trouble).

Who knows what will happen. I think it's wishful thinking having Goddard come to the Pies but you can't rule anything out I guess. I'm not sure Goddard would want to go to GWS unless he wants the cash injection and never win a premiership.

 

[twaters]

Goddard good player as is Lenny Hayes. The latter took out Rusling's shoulder off the play; the former was not all that kosher last year either to Pies players. So what's this love fest all about? Goddard is being protrayed in media as Lyon's 'close confidant'; good let him go to roam the empty streets of Freo with his confidante.

Ball and Hudgton may have alternative references to provide, but 'Lyon is me mate' just doesn't cut it.

 

[Rusty22]

mitch clark is cooked, lucky we didnt get him.

 

[MagpieJoel]

^but why in this thread from 5 years ago?