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You've just got to shake your head at stuff like this. Hard to believe it was due to food consumption though the dosage, or traces were supposedly very very low were they not? Just don't for the life of me understand the continuing attempts to cheat. There seems to be no thought of the consiquences because why would you risk your career/reputation. These people must not realise how privelidged they are to be doing something they 'supposedly' love for a career.

Disappoints me no end because it's such a great spectical yet you get clowns give the sport a terrible reputation.
 
You all have it wrong.

Increasing bans on the riders isn't going to fix the problem.

To fix the problem, the corrupt UCI needs to go. McQuaid needs to go. That's the problem - the UCI.

Contador is gone even if it is food poisoning. The rule they have in place, strict liability, means he's gone.

If you get something in your system that you didn't take and got there by accident and test positive for it and you are innocent, you are gone.

If I was a professional and I got contamination and tested positive, I would be gone for two years.

That stupid rule is going to mean the end of Contador.
 
Sasquatch said:
You all have it wrong.

Increasing bans on the riders isn't going to fix the problem.

To fix the problem, the corrupt UCI needs to go. McQuaid needs to go. That's the problem - the UCI.
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Agree, something needs to change because whatever they are doing isn't working. And increasing bans isn't going to do anything, these people (riders and the fellas administration/putting forward the ideas) don't seem to care about getting caught or they just simple believe they will slip under the radar. 2 years, 20 years, doesn't matter they'll still try to cheat, something needs to change.
 

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Oh great, it gets even better:

Mosquera positive at the Vuelta?

Spanish radio station Cadena SER is reporting that Vuelta a España runner-up Ezequiel Mosquera tested positive during the race together with one of his Xacobeo-Galicia team-mates. Speaking on his show this morning, distinguished Cadena SER presenter José Ramón De la Morena revealed: “Two more cases of possible positive are going to be made public today. One of them is the cyclist Ezequiel Mosquera from the Xacobeo team and the other is from the same team.”
Other reports in Spain suggest that Mosquera has yet to be told about the news. The 34-year-old recently signed a lucrative two-year deal with Dutch squad Vacansoleil.
Contacted by Spanish news agency EFE, Xacobeo team manager Alvaro Pino commented: “I’m dumbstruck. I’ve just been told and I’m surprised because in the team we are sure that this doping case is impossible. I’ve still not spoken with Ezequiel, but I will be trying to do so in the coming hours.”
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mosquera-positive-at-the-vuelta
 
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/riis-believes-in-contadors-innocence



Team Saxo Bank manager Bjarne Riis has spoken with Alberto Contador about the Spanish rider's positive test for Clenbuterol, and indicated that he believed in Contador's innocence.
“Right now there is not much to comment on. It's just really unfortunate that Contador is put in this situation," Riis told Sporten.dk. “There's nothing else to do than to wait for a decision in this matter.”
Riis, who will welcome Contador in his team as of next season, said that he had doubts about the matter and could not image that Contador would have used Clenbuterol. “It is an old preparation which has no effect at all - only side effects.”
The amount found in the positive doping control was so small that he, along with the International Cycling Union, doubts the results, he said.
Riis already spoke with the triple Tour de France winner. “He told me the same thing that he's probably telling the press conference today. That it must be because of something he has eaten."






http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lemond-shocked-by-contador-positive



American surprised Contador would risk all
Three-time Tour de France winner and strong anti-doping advocate Greg Lemond has reacted with surprise to the news that Alberto Contador (Astana) has tested positive for clenbuterol.
“I find it hard to believe that a professional like Alberto Contador would risk a detectable drug and I can’t believe how many people have left a certain team and then gone positive,” Lemond told Cyclingnews after hearing the news.
Contador was tested several times during this year’s Tour de France but traces of clenbuterol were found in a sample from July 21, the second rest day of the race. The UCI stated that the amount of was 400 times less than the minimum amount World Anti-Doping Agency accredited labs must be able to detect. Contador went on to win the Tour de France by 39 seconds, ahead of arch-rival Andy Schleck (Saxo Bank).
Lemond has been critical of drug testing measures within the sport before, lambasting both the procedures the transparency of several cases including the fallout between the UCI and AFLD. However the legitimacy of the latest storm to engulf cycling has raised eyebrows.

“I’m all for eliminating drugs but the powerful ones aren’t detectable but I don’t think that this is a black and white drug test. Look at the quantities that he was detected with,” he said.
“There’s some crazy stuff in cycling with people going positive for things that have little to no benefit to performance. To risk a Tour de France victory for this….”
Despite Contador claiming that the positive test was down to a cut of meat he faces a fight to clear both his name and a possible suspension. However, Lemond believes that his image as well as the sport’s has been permanently tarnished no matter the outcome.
“Anything like this is devastating but this is like someone going positive for marijuana, I don’t think there’s a benefit to it but if it’s on the list, it’s on the list. I’m trying to walk a fine line but I don’t believe in the transparency of the sport or that there’s equal treatment for everyone out there. It just blows me away.”
 
Like I say. It doesn't matter if it was contamination, he's gone because of strict liability.

The only thing that can save Contador is testifying against Armstrong.

What you fans don't realise, and trust me, this comes from credible sources from inside the cycling world is that this is widespread and still 95% of the peloton are doing drugs.

And I can tell you that BMC is the ex Phonak team and there are rumours going around there is EPO use within that team.

Despite what the media have you believe, the sport is far from being cleaned up. Mostly everyone is still doping one way or the other. It's the way cycling works.

Either sack McQuaid and get rid of the UCI or let them dope and be done with it.

And one last thing. It's not the riders that are doing this. It's the team directors, managers, doctors etc. The blame always goes on the riders, when in fact its the teams are behind him.

They should change the rules in regards to not riders, but teams.

The BMC team is banned for two years because a rider of theirs tested postive.
The Astana team is banned for two years because a rider of theirs tested positive.
The Xacobea Galicia team is banned for two years because a rider of theirs tested positive.

That is the only way they can fix this up and even then, it won't be fixed. It's widespread and it won't stop anytime soon .
 
Sasquatch said:
Like I say. It doesn't matter if it was contamination, he's gone because of strict liability.

The only thing that can save Contador is testifying against Armstrong.

What you fans don't realise, and trust me, this comes from credible sources from inside the cycling world is that this is widespread and still 95% of the peloton are doing drugs.

And I can tell you that BMC is the ex Phonak team and there are rumours going around there is EPO use within that team.

Despite what the media have you believe, the sport is far from being cleaned up. Mostly everyone is still doping one way or the other. It's the way cycling works.

Either sack McQuaid and get rid of the UCI or let them dope and be done with it.

And one last thing. It's not the riders that are doing this. It's the team directors, managers, doctors etc. The blame always goes on the riders, when in fact its the teams are behind him.

They should change the rules in regards to not riders, but teams.

The BMC team is banned for two years because a rider of theirs tested postive.
The Astana team is banned for two years because a rider of theirs tested positive.
The Xacobea Galicia team is banned for two years because a rider of theirs tested positive.

That is the only way they can fix this up and even then, it won't be fixed. It's widespread and it won't stop anytime soon .
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Dude, I'm pretty sure 99% of us are aware of this.
 
Sasquatch said:
And one last thing. It's not the riders that are doing this. It's the team directors, managers, doctors etc. The blame always goes on the riders, when in fact its the teams are behind him.
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This is why i have some sympathy for the riders because i reckon in most cases, it's the people behind the scenes that instigate the doping. Riders wouldn't have knowledge of what can be detected, what can enhance performance and in what ways. Fingers should be pointed towards the teams but unfortunately, the blame fall squarely on the riders. Yes they accepted it but i presume they are just taking advise from the so called professionals.
 
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/con...e-france-winner-blames-food-for-positive-test



At a press conference held on Thursday in Pinto, Madrid, Alberto Contador explained to the press his version of his positive doping control for Clenbuterol on the Tour's second rest day, July 21. In a well-prepared statement he gave reasons for the adverse analytical finding, as he was notified of it already more than one month ago, and maintained that he was "the victim of contaminated food" and did not take the substance on purpose.
"The UCI informed me on August 24," he said. "I had a meeting with the UCI medical staff on August 26, where I explained how this could have occurred."
Contador added that the reason for his positive doping control was contaminated meat that a person close to the team had brought to France for the Tour's second rest day.
"The organiser of the Vuelta a Castilla y León, José Luis López-Cerrón, planned to come to the Tour and asked our team cook if he wanted him to bring anything. Our cook asked him to get some good meat, which he did. So when this person came to the Tour on July 20, he brought some meat, which he had bought in Spain."
Contador continued by explaining that he hadn't been the only rider on the team to eat the questionable meat, but that the only rider who also had doping controls performed on July 21 was Alexandre Vinokourov, and that the Kazakh didn't have any of it because he had dinner earlier that day.
Once again, Contador pointed to the infinitely small amount of the substance found in his urine sample, saying that this could not have in any case had an effect on his performance.
"It's actually impossible to take such a small amount," he continued. "The administration of it is just not possible. So this points again to food contamination. Moreover, regarding performance, this amount is totally insufficient and doesn't serve anything."
He added that the fact that the anti-doping tests prior and after July 21 did not detect the substance - even though they were analysed by the same laboratory in Cologne, Germany - added momentum to his contaminated meat theory.
"I had anti-doping controls on the days before the 21, as well as after the 21, where the substance was undetectable again. This is a clear sign that the system is very questionable, and has to be examined," he moreover indicated, saying that the case, to him, was a "real error".



Like I say. He may be on EPO or whatever, but if this positive is an accident, strict liability will have him gone from the sport for two years.
 

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Chops_a_must said:
You would know as well as I do REH that the US drug agencies are ridiculously soft on their athletes, and I don't think that should be a relevant precedent. All you have to say is I'm sorry/ didn't mean to/ wasn't me etc. etc. in an appeal and they'll almost instantly reduce your suspension.
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Chops I know the yanks are soft - mainly due to their legal system rather than the professionals who work for the US anti-doping authorities. The sports administrators are paranoid of the very good defence lawyers who bury the judges and juries with doubts about testing protocols legalities rather than substance of the test results.

What I was getting at was a good US style defence lawyer will get Contador off if indeded only "50 picograms, 400 times less than the threshold" and they can point to "several food contaminations were reported in recent years, especially in Asia." Jessica Hardy's case is a pointer to how a case will be run not a precedent.
 
Sasquatch said:
Yep.

I just think it's time to make it all legal.

It's entertaining to see these riders at top flight even if they are on something. If they rode clean, the spectacle wouldn't be there anymore and it will be boring to watch.
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I was thinking the same thing tbh, but its letting them win I guess. Also as soon as someone dies or has a kirchen like incident there will be massive fallout. I think it's unrealistic to expect these guys to do these GT's 100% clean, simply too hard physically especially with mountains in the last week.
 
Sasquatch said:
Yep.

I just think it's time to make it all legal.

It's entertaining to see these riders at top flight even if they are on something. If they rode clean, the spectacle wouldn't be there anymore and it will be boring to watch.
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There has to some sort of limit though, way to dangerous otherwise, there will be deaths left right and centre.
 
Sasquatch said:
Yeah. What I mean though is most are doing it now anyway and seem to have it under control. So they are obviously doing it a safe way, if there is such as thing.
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True, the thing is though, if what you say about the peloton and 95% use performance enhancing drugs is fact (not say it's not), riders/teams are finding a way around it, so there has to be some sort of caution involved. You the riders/teams the license to dope and i reckon they'll become sloppy. They are already exceeding the limits with regards to the rules and riders careers/reputation, what makes you think they wouldn't push the boundries and get that 'edge' with regards to their lives? *Especially under the UCI. Very risky business for mine.

Though i've got no idea about how to solve, or every decrease the issue. It's almost a lost cause when riders/teams couldn't give a crap about lifetime ban. Something has to change, this stuff is just silly.

Maybe, as you suggested, for a start, there needs to be a new governing body because the reason for the excessive use of performance enhancing drugs is probably just the fact that they can, and 90% (if your stats are correct) of the time they'll get away with it. By no means am i an expert in this subject, but whatever the UCI is doing, isn't working.

No point flogging and dead horse...
 
I think the solution is simple - life bans for any rider caught, and life bans for the entire management/staff of the team of a rider caught. Samples should be stored for a number of years and randomly tested when new methods of detection are found...and even if someone is caught 5 years later, their records, titles and prize money should be taken away from them.

Surely that might clean it up?

I don't think allowing them to dope is a good idea at all. What about all the people with ambitions to be top level cyclists that maybe don't want to be doing blood transfusions and taking all sorts of shit that they don't really understand. It makes professional cycling a much less attractive proposition if everyone gives up and just admits that you have to be taking potentially dangerous drugs or whatever to have any chance of competing. Maybe that has been the unfortunate reality for the last 20 years, I don't know, but it shouldn't be the reality.

I also disagree with the argument that it's too difficult or won't be as exciting to watch if everyone was clean. The riders are perfectly capable of finishing races without doping, just not quite as quickly, and I think it'd be even more exciting because more guys will crack and earlier. You'll get bigger time gaps and more fluctuation day to day. Racing would become even more tactical and teamwork even more critical. And you'll still get the brilliant, jaw-dropping performances.

Cycling is about the competing athletes battling it out not about the competing doctors and chemists. The day it completely gives up and admits to being about the latter is the day I stop watching well and truly. I like watching sport, not science experiments.
 
Sasquatch said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lemond-shocked-by-contador-positive

American surprised Contador would risk all
Three-time Tour de France winner and strong anti-doping advocate Greg Lemond has reacted with surprise to the news that Alberto Contador (Astana) has tested positive for clenbuterol.
“I find it hard to believe that a professional like Alberto Contador would risk a detectable drug and I can’t believe how many people have left a certain team and then gone positive,” Lemond told Cyclingnews after hearing the news.
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Makes perfect sense to me. Team A has 1 doping regime, Team B has another. Riders get caught while their bodies are transitioning from one to the other. Might be because the masking agents used by the new team don't cover the drugs used under their previous regime.

The more I read about this the more certain I am that it's not contaminated food, but a case of blood doping gone bad - a contaminated bag of his own blood.
 

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