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Always a risk recruiting someone off one game. He may just match up well on Obrien.
List Mgmt. Contracts Discussion - 2025
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Also he’s trying to prove himself to get a contract. ROB is slothlike at the best of times, and was probably just thinking about beers after the game
So with Brock on the list, we have a full compliment with 37 senior, 5 Cat A and 2 Cat B.
Sheed - no decision has been made to move him to the LTI list or retire him. Less likely to open up another spot this week so I expect we go into the season a soldier down and look to take a selection in the MSD (esp since Melbourne have taken Henderson)
We have 16 players who will be out of contract in 2025: -
Senior List (10 = 27%)
Sheed (likely to retire)
Hunt
Kelly
Allen
Cripps
Chesser
Petruccelle
Cole
Bazzo
Jamieson
Rookie List (4 = 80%)
Rawlinson
Dewar
Hutchinson
Brock
Cat B List (2 = 100%)
Livingstone
Champion
Sheed - no decision has been made to move him to the LTI list or retire him. Less likely to open up another spot this week so I expect we go into the season a soldier down and look to take a selection in the MSD (esp since Melbourne have taken Henderson)
We have 16 players who will be out of contract in 2025: -
Senior List (10 = 27%)
Sheed (likely to retire)
Hunt
Kelly
Allen
Cripps
Chesser
Petruccelle
Cole
Bazzo
Jamieson
Rookie List (4 = 80%)
Rawlinson
Dewar
Hutchinson
Brock
Cat B List (2 = 100%)
Livingstone
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210cm ruckman are rare, WC should definitely be interested
Under the scenario that we give up our 2025 R1 and 2026 R1 for the 2 Warner brothers and, depending where the picks lay, we might get something back. A repeat of 2024 and I would want the Swans R1 2025 back if we give up say 3 and a F1. I have added the Warner brother in Green
The only given delisting is likely to be Sheed.
I am assuming our F/S and 3 NGA's continue to track as draftable. Important point - having clarity on our club tied prospects is valuable as it allows us to shape the list earlier.
With the additions (1 x FS, 3 x NGA and 2 x Warner) and only 1 subtraction, we would have 52 on the list. Therefore we need to shed a total of 9 assuming we take 3 live picks.
Contract calls will be difficult
In terms of Ryan, I have no idea what was happening with the speculation of a trade at the end of 2024. He will be 30 in 2026 so not sure what would be on offer. He is contracted until the end of 2026 and may well like a 3 year offer thereby extending his career until he is 32. Suns are about the only club I can see that would offer up a decent pick for him.
The best possible outcome will be for us to get the AFL to allow us 2 to 4 more spots on our Cat B list for improving the AFL ability to bring in indigenous talent.
Obviously we cannot have 52 on the list. but it shows in red who is out of contract and hence what tough contract calls are to be made.
The only given delisting is likely to be Sheed.
I am assuming our F/S and 3 NGA's continue to track as draftable. Important point - having clarity on our club tied prospects is valuable as it allows us to shape the list earlier.
With the additions (1 x FS, 3 x NGA and 2 x Warner) and only 1 subtraction, we would have 52 on the list. Therefore we need to shed a total of 9 assuming we take 3 live picks.
Contract calls will be difficult
- Sheed is easy
- Cripps will be 34 in 2026 but he is the sort of player that I expect Mini will love.
- Jamieson looks an easy call given he cannot stay on the park and the pick up of Brock and repositioning of Barnett takes heat away from the KPD role that he is hoping to play but never shown much.
- Livingstone might be unlucky as there will be pressure on the Cat B list and we look to have a decent set of talls developing.
- Chesser will be under massive pressure. First thing - we need to forget that he was a R1 pick. That is rear vision mirror list management. He has to find his position be it running defender or wing (I personally doubt the latter as he does not read the play).
- Bazzo has had a stormy start to life in the AFL so I am hoping like crazy he has a good run of it in 2025. Can he play the 2nd KPD or is it only the 3rd Tall?
- Rawlinson will have the spotlight on him. With the 2 NGA prospects in 2025 and Champion, we are looking full in the small forward brigade. He needs to play for his spot this year.
- Petruccelle is an interesting one. He has all the attributes and we now just need him to find a coach with a game plan that works for him. Failing that - he is possibly off.
- Hunt is out of contract and will be 30 in 2026. He will want a strong year to get another contract.
- Cole is out of contract and will be 29 in 2026. He will have pressure from Johnston and Grego
- Dewar looks to have taken another step up looking more like a starting 23 than a delist.
- Hutchinson is the same as Dewar.
- Allen is the big question mark. His durability is the big issue for him in 2025 and being a RFA, we can afford to wait. If he gets the longer deal offer from Brisbane or Saints, then we get to match it or get another pointy end R1 pick. I expect him to stay but the top end $$ and duration will be dependent on him staying on the park and playing like he did in 2023 with his 53 goals over 23 games
- Kellys is out of contract and the recent publicity means it time to step up. He is not a FA and unlikely to want to leave Perth so it is stay at WCE on a moderate salary or make up with the Purples and see if they are prepared to trade for him.
- Champion is way too soon to be speculating.
- Brock is similar - too soon.
In terms of Ryan, I have no idea what was happening with the speculation of a trade at the end of 2024. He will be 30 in 2026 so not sure what would be on offer. He is contracted until the end of 2026 and may well like a 3 year offer thereby extending his career until he is 32. Suns are about the only club I can see that would offer up a decent pick for him.
The best possible outcome will be for us to get the AFL to allow us 2 to 4 more spots on our Cat B list for improving the AFL ability to bring in indigenous talent.
Obviously we cannot have 52 on the list. but it shows in red who is out of contract and hence what tough contract calls are to be made.
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Heaps of work gone into that!
Under this scenario I can see the WC 1st and F1st and getting Sydney 1st back as reasonable.
1 F/S and 2 NGA's in Walley and Caton or Evans imo.
Leaves 7 list spots needed if we leave Sheed list spot open and take 2 live picks outside our FS/NGA players.
Sheed - delist
Jamieson - delist
Rawlinson - delist
Chesser - delist/trade
Petch - trade/FA
Bazzo - delist
Cripps - most likely gets a 1 year contract
Livingstone - I had him as a casualty of list spots but if he continues in the same manner as he did recently I would be giving him another 1 year.
Going to be a big year for some on the list to find the final list spot or WC only take 1 F/S and 1 NGA, 2 players at the draft in KDEF and mid with Hawks 1st and Sydney 1st with 6 list spots needed?
They can keep their Rd1 pick and make it a Rd2 and we get Sheldrick too.
Soldo could be a cheap ruck option next year if Flynn doesn’t hit the mark. With Mini, Baker and Graham connection.
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Warner
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Hewett
Yeo to half back for his last 2 years.
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GC RD1 (Bundle of 2nd rd picks)
Walley
Banfield
Evans
Caton*
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I'd be disappointed if he has any less than nine lives.
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Just on the composition of our list and the changes we are likely or need to make before the end of the year that might impact delistings
As you say we are now a full book with 37 main, 5 rookie and 2 cat-b listed players
• Dewar will have been on the rookie list for 3 years at the end of the season and has to be upgraded to the main list if we retain him (which appears likely on preseason form)
• Sheed will be put on the inactive list at some point and eventually retired by season’s end. Potentially he’ll be replaced with a SSP signing in the next two days which currently seems unlikely. That will mean we probably use a pick in the MSD and given it’s probably an early (top 5) pick it’s a good chance the player will be on an 18 month contract (to 2026)
That gives us the same list split (37/5/2) and 15 players out of contract with Sheed already delisted
I’d be confident Allen, Kelly, Hutchinson and Dewar will be offered new contracts at some point
If we are to bring in the following as you’ve suggested :
Trade - Warner and Warner
Draft - Midfielder (Swans R1), KPD (Hawks R1), Ruck (WC R2)
NGA and F/S - Banfield, Walley, Evans, Caton
(That list doesn’t include Starcevich who we may well be keen on as a FA)
Then only 2 of the following 11 can be retained :
Hunt, Cripps, Chesser, Petruccelle, Cole, Bazzo, Rawlinson, Champion, Livingstone, Jamieson and Brock
That’s a brutal list cull with only Jamieson and Rawlinson being obvious delistees. Some may also add Petruccelle and Livingstone to that pair. And Chesser I guess
I’d be more inclined to ask for Sydney’s F1 than their R1 and forgo drafting a mid since we’d have the two Warners and Banfield coming in as mids
Evans and Caton will both need very good draft years to justify us moving players on to create the necessary list spots
We may look at delisting/drafting players like BWilliams, Barnett or Brockman depending on how they perform this year as an alternative to delisting one or more of those out of contract players
I don’t envy Matt Clarke at all - he has some really big calls to make
Asking the AFL for two additional rookie list spots is almost a no brainer :
• We have a unique reserves setup and struggle to attract talent to our WAFL team so two additional AFL spots will help development of our squad
• Along with Fremantle, we travel significantly more than the other 16 clubs so having two extra players on our squad gives us additional depth to cover the increased risk of injury that travel exposes us to
• Two additional rookie list spots has minimal impact on the rest of the competition but gives us two extra late chances to improve our list
• The AFL could ensure we add indigenous lads as those extra two spots by making them cat b rookies
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100%
Evans and Caton would be outsiders to be drafted and if list spots are tight their case is even harder like you mention.
Agree highly unlikely list spot is filled now and somebody would need to jump out of their skin for us to take a MSD player.
Your option for Sydney F1 looks sound depending who has a hot season, but I believe WC will be using minimal draft picks compared to recent years, KDEF(Hawks 1st), MID(Swans 1st), WC 2nd(best available), Banfield and Walley.
Please don't draft another untried ruck, buy 1 if we need to.
If Stracevich wants to come as FA we would be silly not to take him imo, while not a list need he is a quality player in the Graham/Baker mould and feel he is superior to some on our list and this would mean we are more inclined to push Sydney pick into 2026.
Don't see AFL giving us 2 additional rookie spots but we live in hope.
6-7 list spots needed depending on Starcevich?
Sheed, Jamieson, Rawlinson, Chesser, Bazzo, Petch and feel unless Cripps has a bad year he will get a 1 year contract so there will be Brockman, Livingstone, Hunt, Flynn, B Williams fighting for list spots.
Wouldn't have thought Flynn or BW would be on the chopping block unless there is a good ruck on the market?
Going from the WC Harley Reid thread to this one is such a contrast, I would recommend working up to this one.
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Depends if the AFL are genuine about their want for greater numbers of Indigenous players in the game at the top level.
SA and WA have greater numbers of Indigenous kids playing in their states, many of which are very slight in build and need more developmental time in a Club System before their bodies are ready for the rigours at the top level.
Seems like a perfectly reasonable idea to allow an additional 2 spots on our rookie list, too specifically be used on our NGA Indigenous kids.
Look at the squad for the Indigenous game against Fremantle last weekend where close on 65 % of those players came from WA or SA, thats where the talent pool is most prevalent and where great developmental policy and measures are required.
The AFL has no problems allowing anomalies in list eligibility , player access and numbers when they address the issues of developing the Game in the Northern States.
The AFL are very selective and fickle as too when and / or where they are stand on issues of equity.
George Orwell would have been a forward thinker for AFL policy around equality.
It's a pity that Mama Kane isn't as committed and proactive with her assistance measures to improve the uptake of Indigenous numbers in the AFL, as she is to her beloved North Melbourne, where her level of benevolence is on a scale thats unprecedented.
We should, he's got a lot more to offer than Tom Cole in the back line.
Looks like the clubs are powerless and can't get rid of Mama Kane, she dominates Dillon and she's absolutely useless.
Does anyone know if she is on a contract that can be terminated ?
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100% agree with all your thoughts.
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We could also make the harsh decision and delist a player under contract like Langdon
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agree, it would have to come from maybe Brockman or Flynn?
If Brockman has another year like last year, but probably less likely.
Flynn if he keeps getting injured or doesn't provide what we traded for, he is ruck coach for the AFLW so could do a bit of manoeuvring and he could be moved sideways if WC want a decent ruck like L Reidy?
BW would be harsh to move on but if WC are serious about getting a decent ruck and something presented as a better option I would ask him to explore his options, sure there are clubs that would be happy to take on a solid second ruck for the right price? 3rd round pick or player like Busslinger(WB) or even Blight(Rich).
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Which is why I mentioned Barnett, Brockman and to a lesser extent, Bailey Williams as possible delistees despite being contracted 2026
No one else would be in a similar position besides maybe Flynn if he has another injury interrupted year
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Starcevich would be a good addition, but if we recruit him we must retain Oscar.
We can't have a situation where FA Oscar out, FA Starcevich in and crappy R2 FA compo in.
We can't have a situation where FA Oscar out, FA Starcevich in and crappy R2 FA compo in.
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Starcevich in Petch out both RFA so Petch FA compo might be reduced but makes our team better.
Would only go after Starcevich if he wants to come, WC have been chasing him for a couple of years, 4-5 year contract.
I think Bazzo is probably done unless he has a massive year, while different players Starcevich makes us a better team.
After J Blights game against us if he continues that form I would put decent offer in for him to return as a KDEF option and replace Bazzo.
Too early?
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