Corona virus, Port and the AFL.

[RussellEbertHandball]

If this is what it did to China, what will other nations 1st quarter figures look like?

South China Morning Post political economy journo's post

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

We want to start opening things up at end of month. Wonder where the world we be then.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This isn't good news for Canada.

 

[raptalia]

To be fair this particular issue is unlikely to lie with ABF. It's more to do with three separate agencies being responsible for "border security" and no chain of command existing between them. Throw in a tourist operator desperate to unload their passengers and a state government not knowing which way was up, it's all a bit of a mess. Perhaps one good thing to come out of this would be a much clearer border security hierarchy.

No one is trying to absolve the cruise operator but the questions I pose are legitimate ones and the pity is they cannot be asked and answered in the people's forum because the Government is using the situation to avoid answering.

On the weekend prior to the Ruby Princess docking the Prime Minister said all passengers on 'ships and planes' arriving in Australia would face quarantine. Three days later and that did not happen. Then when Morrison was questioned why it didn't happen he responded with, 'Well in these times people are working under pressure'.

I do not hold the ABF responsible as the ABF acts under the direction of the Minister and was not told of the situation yet someone must have known about the illness on board because there were ambulances at Circular Quay awaiting the ship's arrival.

As it is at the moment the questions that need to be asked are being asked by the media and not the Opposition and that is not democratic.

 

[LFC2010]

If this is what it did to China, what will other nations 1st quarter figures look like?

South China Morning post political economy journo's post

It's going to make some interesting reading, especially with countries who are providing people with stimulus packages to try and avoid economic disasters.

 

[raptalia]

Cocaine Cassie has been released from gaol in Columbia. I suppose the next story will be a mercy flight to bring her home at the taxpayer's expense?
At this stage is unclear whether she has been pardoned or paroled but according to her lawyer if she has been released on parole she will have to serve it in Columbia. She might be safer in gaol?

The latest report is she has been paroled and has to spend another 18 months in Columbia. Last night's news also ran the story that when she does return SA Police want to question her of the disappearance of money from her Yorke Peninsula fitness studio.

Cassie's Uncle was interviewd and apparently her family do want to know her.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

No one is trying to absolve the cruise operator but the questions I pose are legitimate ones and the pity is they cannot be asked and answered in the people's forum because the Government is using the situation to avoid answering.

Do you really think they'd be answered though. Dutton would just waffle on for his allotted answer time completely avoiding the question. And then a Liberal MP would stand up and say "Can this Minister tell us about how awesome they are and how much Labor sucks". And then a Labor MP will get up, ask the same questions of Dutton, who will just waffle on avoiding answering the question, probably spending half the time talking about how Labor would throw the borders open and swamp us with refugees and the Coalition stopped that happening.

Repeat ad nauseum.

 

[raptalia]

Do you really think they'd be answered though. Dutton would just waffle on for his a lotted answer time completely avoiding the question. And then a Liberal MP would stand up and say "Can this Minister tell us about how awesome they are and how much Labor sucks". And then a Labor MP will get up, ask the same questions of Dutton, who will just waffle on avoiding answering the question, probably spending half the time talking about how Labor would throw the borders open and swamp us with refugees and the Coalition stopped that happening.

Repeat ad nauseum.

Not in the lower House but in a Senate sitting things might be different.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

2000 tests and 1 new case in SA.

On Thursday, the day the state launched a new testing blitz, about 2000 people were tested but only one had the virus – a person in their 50s with a history of overseas travel.

The next step in that program is a new 60-minute rapid testing capability, to be launched at 10 country locations and all major metropolitan hospitals in about three weeks.

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www.adelaidenow.com.au

 

[NEGAN]

If this is what it did to China, what will other nations 1st quarter figures look like?

South China Morning Post political economy journo's post

Holy shit....

This is only first gear.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Just noticed this on Worldometers China page new cases 13th 89, 14th 46, 15th 46 and 16th 26.

China COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

China Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Latest Updates
April 17 (GMT)

Wuhan (China), the epicenter of the pandemic, today reported 1,290 additional deaths that had not been previously counted and reported, bringing the total number of deaths in Wuhan from 2,579 to 3,869, an increase of 50%, as the result of a revision by the Wuhan New Coronary Pneumonia Epidemic Prevention and Control. As part of this revision, 325 additional cases in Wuhan were also added. Separately, China's National Health Commission (NHC) reported 26 new cases (and no deaths) in its daily

Main page screen shot

 

[Capital Power]

Not in the lower House but in a Senate sitting things might be different.

LOL, yes, we have all those moderate, educated and experienced cross-benchers. Heaven help us if the likes of Pauline Hanson, Sarah Hanson-Young and Jacqui Lambie are responsible for our post-COVID world...

 

[Andre]

Do you really think they'd be answered though. Dutton would just waffle on for his allotted answer time completely avoiding the question. And then a Liberal MP would stand up and say "Can this Minister tell us about how awesome they are and how much Labor sucks". And then a Labor MP will get up, ask the same questions of Dutton, who will just waffle on avoiding answering the question, probably spending half the time talking about how Labor would throw the borders open and swamp us with refugees and the Coalition stopped that happening.

Repeat ad nauseum.

The downside of the National Cabinet is the usual state / federal payouts are gone. Dutton won't get up and say NSW Health completely cluster****ed it, the NSW Police investigation is a sham cover up and the NSW Health Minister should take responsibility, resign and apologise profusely to every family that's had people die due to the Ruby Princess fiasco.

 

[NEGAN]

We want to start opening things up at end of month. Wonder where the world we be then.

I would say more testing over time skews those numbers a bit

 

[Capital Power]

The downside of the National Cabinet is the usual state / federal payouts are gone. Dutton won't get up and say NSW Health completely clusterfu**ed it, the NSW Police investigation is a sham cover up and the NSW Health Minister should take responsibility, resign and apologise profusely to every family that's had people die due to the Ruby Princess fiasco.

Of course not. Might be different if it was a State Labor Government though...

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Yesterday I put up Dr Norman Swan's discussion on 7.30 Wednesday night remdesivir with Gilead Science Oz boss. Financial Times has an article on it and using it as a suppressant like with HIV and Hepatitis C



Ok finally cracked the paywall.

Gilead drug shows positive signs in early coronavirus testing
Antiviral treatment helps two-thirds of patients in New England Journal of Medicine study

Hannah Kuchler in New York 5 HOURS AGO

Gilead’s remdesivir drug has shown early positive signs that it might be effective in treating coronavirus, in a study of patients who have taken it on a compassionate use basis. The New England Journal of Medicine published a small study analysing data from 53 patients, which found that about 68 per cent improved after being treated with remdesivir, an antiviral that some experts hope could stop the Sars-CoV-2 virus from replicating. The drug was originally developed for Ebola, but has never been approved.

But the study did not have a control arm, so the results cannot be compared against patients who did not receive the drug, and should not be treated as conclusive. Large randomised control trials evaluating the drug — and others — are underway across the world. Jonathan Grien, the epidemiologist who was the lead author of the journal article, said they cannot draw “definitive conclusions from these data, but the observations from this group of hospitalised patients who received remdesivir are hopeful”.

Remdesivir is one of the most prominent of the many drugs being explored for treating Covid-19 patients. Other antivirals include HIV drugs developed by AbbVie and a flu treatment from Fujifilm. Many trials are also testing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, antimalarials, as well as anti-inflammatories to help calm the body’s immune response if it goes into overdrive in the latter stages of the disease.

The NEJM study, which took in data from patients in the US, Europe and Japan, found no new safety issues, other than those already reported, which include kidney and liver problems. Without a randomised trial it is hard to tell if those problems are complications of the disease or caused by the drug.
......

Gilead drug shows positive signs in early coronavirus testing

Antiviral treatment helps two-thirds of patients in New England Journal of Medicine study

www.ft.com

 

[Power Raid]

Sweden continues to be a model of how not to do it. Now up to 11,445 positives with 1033 deaths. Multiply that by 2.5 and you have the Australian population comparison. On a population basis if we followed Sweden's example we could have 28,613 positives and 2,583 deaths by now with around 1250 positives tests a day.

The only thing that has stopped Sweden from becoming another Spain, Italy or New York is population density. The relatively small population of 10.4 million means the infection numbers and death rate is not that high.

Crazy stuff and probably too late for the Swedes to change tack.

I think we have to wait 36 months before we judge Sweden too harshly

 

[Magus]

If this is what it did to China, what will other nations 1st quarter figures look like?

South China Morning Post political economy journo's post

I had no idea that finbarr was a real first name. Things you learn.

 

[raptalia]

I think we have to wait 36 months before we judge Sweden too harshly

Why 36 months? The Swedes are headed for disaster. They had another 613 positives and 130 more deaths over night. In a population of 10.5M half of them will be gone in 36 months. They have gone from 8,419 positives to 12,540 in little over a week. Looking at their figures they are not flattening the curve. Multiply those figures by a 2.3 factor and you get the equivalent in the Australian population. If we had over 28,000 positives with an overnight increase of 1409 would be really concerned.

I think it is fair to judge them now on the decisions or non decisions they are making now. Put it this way if I were a Swede I would like to know that the people who are running the show know what they are doing now and not have to wait three years to find out.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

76% recovery rate (331/435) puts SA in line with South Korea 73.6% (7,829/10,635), better than NZ's 57.9% (816/1.409), and Taiwan's 42.0% (166/395).

Even better than the other Asian countries/regions who did well early - HK 485/1,018 = 47.6% Singapore 683/4,427 = 15.4% and Japan 935/9,232 = 10.1%. But all these 3 have had outbreaks the last 7-10 days.

Couple of rates in NZ, Auckland about same size as Adelaide 131/184 = 71.1% and sister city Christchurch 380k but is recorded in 630k Canterbury admin region stats is 75/146 = 51.3%

So Adelaide's suppression strategy is working better than NZ's elimination strategy??

Active cases ACT and NT 19, SA 100, Tassie 107, WA 194, Victoria 129, Qld 560 and NSW 1,545.

Edit Perth reported after others, now down to 157

12,104,418 Coronavirus cases in Australia - COVID Live

Live tracking of coronavirus cases, active, tests, deaths, ICU, hospitalisations and vaccinations in Australia

covidlive.com.au

So Hubba Hubba might be Adelaide and Melbourne for footy.

 

[NEGAN]

Why 36 months? The Swedes are headed for disaster. They had another 613 positives and 130 more deaths over night. In a population of 10.5M half of them will be gone in 36 months. They have gone from 8,419 positives to 12,540 in little over a week. Looking at their figures they are not flattening the curve.

I think it is fair to judge them now on the decisions or non decisions they are making now.

Their intention was to hit peak as fast as they can instead of slow bleeding it. They knew they were going to take an initial hit which they were willing to take in order to save the economy. And save more lives in the long term.


They knew this was going to happen...

We don't know if what we are doing is going to work....it could all ramp up again without a cure. All we know is that our economy is taking a major gut punch which is going to have severe ramerfarcations later on...We've have flattened the curve which is great, but all it takes is one flare up and we are back to square 1 of shutting the country down again.....or taking the Swedish approach.

Both approaches have their risk and rewards...but without a cure both approaches seem a gamble.

 

[El Zorro]

This isn't good news for Canada.

I have a cousin that lives in London, ON. He works at a retirement home and got tested. Has been waiting at home for 10 days to get his results. Not sure if his case is the rule or an exception, but hardly ideal.

 

[Del165198]

This isn't good news for Canada.

not good news having a maniac running a plague infested state of 300m+ directly below them

 

[El Zorro]

LOL, yes, we have all those moderate, educated and experienced cross-benchers. Heaven help us if the likes of Pauline Hanson, Sarah Hanson-Young and Jacqui Lambie are responsible for our post-COVID world...

I like how you picked on the females.