Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Kurve]

Reading the states massive over the top reactions to this let's be honest very minor outbreak in melbourne compared to world levels is simply embarrassing and quite frankly hilarious.

And i love how all AFL clubs somehow managed to avoid all these hard border closures, just lucky i guess

Alternatively, if Victoria just carried on and let it spread we'd be locked out of every other state for the next two years at least. Business would be absolutely destroyed and the state bankrupted well before then.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

The requirement to quarantine also applies to those who have been fully vaccinated. so says Queensland


Hahahahahaha yeah lets all get jabbed to avoid having to quarantine.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Alternatively, if Victoria just carried on and let it spread we'd be locked out of every other state for the next two years at least. Business would be absolutely destroyed and the state bankrupted well before then.

Oh boy.

 

[Steele13]

Alternatively, if Victoria just carried on and let it spread we'd be locked out of every other state for the next two years at least. Business would be absolutely destroyed and the state bankrupted well before then.

Kind of agree in a way Victoria has no choice due to the ludicrous and unsustainable zero covid policy that every other state has adopted. Or is this a national thing? Or has anyone ever come out and said it's a thing at all? Shocking leadership from the top down unfortunately.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The requirement to quarantine also applies to those who have been fully vaccinated. so says Queensland


Hahahahahaha yeah lets all get jabbed to avoid having to quarantine.

Not surprising fron Antivaxia Palasczczuk

She makes Joey Jo Jo look pro vax with her views

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Alternatively, if Victoria just carried on and let it spread we'd be locked out of every other state for the next two years at least. Business would be absolutely destroyed and the state bankrupted well before then.

I actually agree. Its better to intentionally crush and bankrupt the business with lockdowns then it is to take the risk the virus might do it instead.

 

[twotooto]

Alternatively, if Victoria just carried on and let it spread we'd be locked out of every other state for the next two years at least. Business would be absolutely destroyed and the state bankrupted well before then.

Two years? You cannot be cereal.

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Most of the states are going to be faced with the same dilemma in the coming months anyway. Very little doubt of that(if we maintain the same criteria on which to base a lockdown and we don't sort out our HQ i.e. if we just keep doing what we have been so far).

What is going to be interesting is how the Northern Hemisphere fares in their next winter(given that a large % will be vaccinated). If they also maintain the same criteria, it will provide some clarity around a few unknowns/uncertainties of the virus + the way we, as in nationally and globally, have been handling it.

 

[burge13]

The requirement to quarantine also applies to those who have been fully vaccinated. so says Queensland


Hahahahahaha yeah lets all get jabbed to avoid having to quarantine.

I cant quite put my finger on why people arent bothering getting the jab. I mean, they dont stop you getting it, it doesnt stop you passing it on, they dont keep you out of quarantine if someone else is sick. Whats the effing point

 

[Kurve]

Oh boy.

All the states are doing it and following the same formula, using any flare ups against the others to score political brownie points. We're stuck in it whether we like it or not.

The only chance we had of avoiding this and it was only small, was if the Federal Government had taken control.

 

[Run n Spread]

The science can tell us if there's been a super spreader event with genomic tracing. For example, one asymptomatic covid positive lady quarantining in her apartment alone uses the lift and that alone ignites a cluster of 71 cases. Science tells us she was responsible as the first in that cluster.

You also don't have to be fearful or desperate for a lockdown to agree to conduct yourself within a temporary set of rules laid out by your democratically elected government.

Were those 71 cases also asymptomatic? If there are 71 people who do you identify as patient 0?
I wouldn't call 15 months temporary.
A democratic process is to have the emergency services minister have the call. Not the premier and the ****ing treasurer or whoever their mates in cabinet are.
To spite all this last winter Melbourne rocked 700 new cases a day for weeks. And deaths were comparable with a flu season and overall deaths were at a decade low.
Yet we shut over 25 cases 1 in ICU. 1 in a state of 6.8 million.
It's ****ing lunacy.

 

[WA ROO]

WA Roo with GC as his listed team. Can't really guess where you are based on that

Rural WA

 

[Run n Spread]

Reading the states massive over the top reactions to this let's be honest very minor outbreak in melbourne compared to world levels is simply embarrassing and quite frankly hilarious.

And i love how all AFL clubs somehow managed to avoid all these hard border closures, just lucky i guess

Funny that. What's the odds the Dees player on 14 day isolation is Petracca or Gawn or some rookie or soon to be delisted player?
How gullible most people are is beyond me? Or happy to ignore? Come summer mood will change. But a loonnng winter looms

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Also why the premier announcing this or this weird special cabinet. Under Victoria's state of emergency powers this is at the discretion of the emergency services minister and their department. Anyone gets pulled up read the fine print as the legality of this is very questionable

This was pointed out to me by someone I know who has a relative in the police force. Apparently some senior police officers were shocked and extremely concerned that their instructions during the SOE were coming from the premier's office when, by law, they should have been coming from the Emergency Services minister. Something very rotten in the state of Victoria.

 

[Kurve]

Were those 71 cases also asymptomatic? If there are 71 people who do you identify as patient 0?

Another case of a superspreader event in the US was where a covid positive but asymptomatic went to a choir practice and gave it to 52 others, two of them died.

Science can tell by the mutations in the virus genome where it came from and the sequence which is how Victoria knew they had to look for "the missing link" in this latest cluster. I don't know if they found him/her yet.

I wouldn't call 15 months temporary.

I was referring to this latest lockdown as temporary.

 

[burge13]

Another case of a superspreader event in the US was where a covid positive but asymptomatic went to a choir practice and gave it to 52 others, two of them died.

SuPeRsPrEaDeRs live life and people want to guilt them into believing others death are on their hands for being asymptomatic. It is lunacy. These people are deranged

What if you pass it on to grandad and he dies?! By this logic nothing should ever open ever again. It wouldnt be fair on anyone to do so

 

[Kurve]

Kind of agree in a way Victoria has no choice due to the ludicrous and unsustainable zero covid policy that every other state has adopted. Or is this a national thing? Or has anyone ever come out and said it's a thing at all? Shocking leadership from the top down unfortunately.

Melbourne has the highest density living in Australia, it's even higher than Sydney and we're going in to a very cold winter where people huddle and entertain indoors. Managing a covid outbreak was always going to be harder than the other states.

 

[Kurve]

SuPeRsPrEaDeRs live life and people want to guilt them into believing others death are on their hands for being asymptomatic. It is lunacy. These people are deranged

What if you pass it on to grandad and he dies?! By this logic nothing should ever open ever again. It wouldnt be fair on anyone to do so

If someone is an asymptomatic spreader and unaware they have the virus, there should be no guilt. There's no blame. If on the other hand, they know they have covid and continue to carry on as normal putting others at risk then they're not just a selfish arseh*le but they should face consequences.

 

[Run n Spread]

Another case of a superspreader event in the US was where a covid positive but asymptomatic went to a choir practice and gave it to 52 others, two of them died.

Science can tell by the mutations in the virus genome where it came from and the sequence which is how Victoria knew they had to look for "the missing link" in this latest cluster. I don't know if they found him/her yet.



I was referring to this latest lockdown as temporary.

And the two people who died? What were their ages? Health? Co morbities?
Truth is we are exposed to millions of germs bacterial and viruses every day. Our immune system does its job for the most part unless compromised.
Hell even kissing someone means you're exposed to their bacterial.
Now an asymptotic person has a tiny viral load so if they spread that to another person they will likely immune suppress that like they do the millions of other bacterial.
Now an immune compromised person say with a multitude of diseases or elderly in a nursing home is going to be comprised by a tiny covid gastro or flu bug. Hell even hospitals have to be careful with staf infections.
So the asymptomatic super spreaders is a false dichotomy.
Never before in history.

 

[Run n Spread]

SuPeRsPrEaDeRs live life and people want to guilt them into believing others death are on their hands for being asymptomatic. It is lunacy. These people are deranged

What if you pass it on to grandad and he dies?! By this logic nothing should ever open ever again. It wouldnt be fair on anyone to do so

Yeah it's bullshit. What is on par is criminalising people who get sick. It's the same mentality as lock everyone up and throw away the key. Just looking to assert authority. Dangerous mindset

 

[Run n Spread]

If someone is an asymptomatic spreader and unaware they have the virus, there should be no guilt. There's no blame. If on the other hand, they know they have covid and continue to carry on as normal putting others at risk then they're not just a selfish arseh*le but they should face consequences.

What consequences?
Should someone with gastro face consequences? Or flu? Hell footballers have been lorded for playing with viruses or getting "off their sick bed to play"
Maybe they spread it to their teamate who asymtomatically spread it to their granny who died.
This is crazy. If been a selfish arseh*le was a criminal offence everyone at one point would be locked up.
This is a virus with a 99.97% survival rate killing immune compromised people at life expectancy. Get a grip seriously

 

[Kurve]

What consequences?
Should someone with gastro face consequences? Or flu? Hell footballers have been lorded for playing with viruses or getting "off their sick bed to play"
Maybe they spread it to their teamate who asymtomatically spread it to their granny who died.
This is crazy. If been a selfish a-hole was a criminal offence everyone at one point would be locked up.
This is a virus with a 99.97% survival rate killing immune compromised people at life expectancy. Get a grip seriously

If your new partner had HIV and didn't tell you, you'd be okay with that?

 

[ioppolo]

Rural WA

I'm jealous. I really am

 

[BlueE]

If your new partner had HIV and didn't tell you, you'd be okay with that?

Does HIV have a 99.97 survival rate? And the 0.03% that might be vulnerable be 84 years of age?

 

[Run n Spread]

If your new partner had HIV and didn't tell you, you'd be okay with that?

No I would be extremely pissed off.
Just like I was pissed when one partner told me she didn't want kids and was on the pill only to tell me after she changed her mind. (No kids resulted btw)
But to make that a criminal offence you would need to prove action and intent.
Sure the HIV/Covid person carried on as normal but did they have a reasonable belief their actions caused harm and was that their intent?
That is when this so called science comes under real scrutiny. (as an aside I notice in any court case where it is about to there is suddenly a withdrawal but story for another discussion).
So does HIV guareentee AIDs and death and were they acting with intent or wreckless disregard? (For me personally I've been told by a doc as a straight guy your odds of getting it are next to nill. Can't speak for women).
Does a covid case guarentee the same?
And then personal choice comes in.
Did you wear a condom or ask? Were you wearing a mask/socially distance.

Law doesn't really stack up. But whole system of government, democratic representation and rule of law has been bastardised to such an extent not sure. Courts should be above reproach but probably as corrupt as the rest. So maybe you're right.
Fear vengeance vendettas and politics win rather than just outcomes of a stable society

 

[BlueE]

Another case of a superspreader event in the US was where a covid positive but asymptomatic went to a choir practice and gave it to 52 others, two of them died.

Science can tell by the mutations in the virus genome where it came from and the sequence which is how Victoria knew they had to look for "the missing link" in this latest cluster. I don't know if they found him/her yet.



I was referring to this latest lockdown as temporary.

Where is the link for that claim? Not only did the meta analysis of almost 78,000 subjects have a statistically zero chance of asymptomatics spreading COVID, Wuhan analysis of 10 million showed the same.

The only way someone without symptoms could possible spread COVID is if they've just have COVID injections.