Health Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 6

[Zidane98]

I'm due back into Vic from WA around mid December. I'm seeing that slipping away.

I had a conversation with my wife and 2 daughters about this, this morning, they been really good through this whole mess. Today was the first time my wife and youngest daughter have cried about it.

Sorry to hear mate, everyone is really struggling here and they would be feeling it.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

can you get them out of Vic to WA?

Be hard to be seperated at all
Our next door neighbour went to WA just before lockdown 5.0 for work. He left behind his family and feels like crap now as well.

All the best

None of them want to move back, we only left 3 1/2 years ago. It's really not that easy either.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Sorry to hear mate, everyone is really struggling here and they would be feeling it.

I was in WA for the whole of LD2 last year so I've had the easy end of it the whole way through.

 

[davemc_lions]

I also do not care who you are if it all fake news or it will not kill you
We get in lockdown after someone does something they should not off
It spreads as people do stuff they should not off..

We now stuck in lockdown in Vic as others did wrong.
Now we have to wait for all those to get a jab
then we wait for something else when these goalposts move
Anna already saying need to wait for the children.

 

[Brad Goodman]

I'm due back into Vic from WA around mid December. I'm seeing that slipping away.

I had a conversation with my wife and 2 daughters about this, this morning, they been really good through this whole mess. Today was the first time my wife and youngest daughter have cried about it.

At least you now have proof they miss you.

 

[faible]

Subconsciously

Subconsciously nothing, you've literally spent days banging 'but the west' drum. Not my fault you seem to have amnesia about the shit you've been posting for days.

I'll call the police on anyone that's blatantly doing the wrong thing

Why do you need postcode numbers for that then?

PS Dan is a dictator, just a very poor one.

So is he a Dictator or not? If he's a poor Dictator, he's probably not actually a dictator. The stuff you're demanding is significantly more authoritarian.

 

[FRUMPY]

With messaging like this, I just don't understand why some people don't want the vaccination.....

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[Gralin]

I'll call you a straw man because you've done exactly the same thing again. There's no good reason to not keep covid transmission postcode information public. It tells everyone in those areas to be on alert, especially if there's been a large amount of household transmissions. I would love to know if covid is being transmitted in households near me, I presently cannot get that information despite it being available to the DHHS.


Nice to see you advocate those having big gatherings at home and that nobody should call the police, let them go ahead and spread the virus. Great stuff. I bet you probably think the police shouldn't break up the idiotic protestors either.

Again we know which postcodes have active cases, we know which public venues are of concern.

What's your assumption here that people are going to different postcodes to catch it but not in public?

The the primary driver is people doing that?

That they should say that so you can scream more cops and complain about it?

If you aren't going to those houses, then how does that keep you safer? People already know what they should be doing.

I don't think people should be breaching the rules but the assumption is always that they are if you see something. You see someone going into someone elses house are they breaching the rules, is it a single bubble, intimate partner, care giver?

Would I call the cops on someone? **** no, ACAB

You got one thing right, I don't think the cops should have broken up those protests. They wanted confrontation with the cops, they wanted to be able to post videos of people getting pepper sprayed or shot with crowd control pellets.

The cops didn't de escalate the situation or make anyone safer, if they'd let the march around waving their flags and not rocked up to stop them it would have fizzled out and not put a massive strain on emergency departments around Melbourne.

The health department had to put calls out for off duty paramedics and staff to come in to deal with that mess.

 

[craigos]

With messaging like this, I just don't understand why some people don't want the vaccination.....

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Queensland Premier and CHO have lost the plot.

 

[Zidane98]

Subconsciously nothing, you've literally spent days banging 'but the west' drum. Not my fault you seem to have amnesia about the sh*t you've been posting for days.



Why do you need postcode numbers for that then?



So is he a Dictator or not? If he's a poor Dictator, he's probably not actually a dictator. The stuff you're demanding is significantly more authoritarian.

No amnesia here. You're the one that's labelled the entire western suburbs as a transmission site before seeing the actual data. You brought it up, I didn't mention any particular area at all about the discussion on postcode transmission data. If that isn't shitting on the western suburbs my name is Dan Andrews.

Nobody ever said you need postcode data to call the police. Yet another hilariously bad deflection.



I await your reply with more misplaced counter insults without actually addressing the question put forward to you.

 

[Zidane98]

Again we know which postcodes have active cases, we know which public venues are of concern.

What's your assumption here that people are going to different postcodes to catch it but not in public?

The the primary driver is people doing that?

That they should say that so you can scream more cops and complain about it?

If you aren't going to those houses, then how does that keep you safer? People already know what they should be doing.

I don't think people should be breaching the rules but the assumption is always that they are if you see something. You see someone going into someone elses house are they breaching the rules, is it a single bubble, intimate partner, care giver?

Would I call the cops on someone? fu** no, ACAB

You got one thing right, I don't think the cops should have broken up those protests. They wanted confrontation with the cops, they wanted to be able to post videos of people getting pepper sprayed or shot with crowd control pellets.

The cops didn't de escalate the situation or make anyone safer, if they'd let the march around waving their flags and not rocked up to stop them it would have fizzled out and not put a massive strain on emergency departments around Melbourne.

The health department had to put calls out for off duty paramedics and staff to come in to deal with that mess.

Somebody visiting another household isn't necessarily breaking the rules.


A gathering of 30 people at a household with a family absolutely is. Like I said, we should all be calling the police on absolute blatant breaches of covid rules. A couple of people visiting a household could be anything and I would expect that the police wouldn't bother responding to such a call anyway.


But yes, we absolutely do have a need to know if the main transmission site has been households and the areas those transmission sites are in. Because those that live in that area may know someone that's been at one of those gatherings and/or know someone on the second link of the chain etc etc. That's vital information in suppressing covid for me.

 

[Gralin]

With messaging like this, I just don't understand why some people don't want the vaccination.....

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I'll give you the first one, that was ****ing brutal for the hopes of dealing with vaccine hesitancy

The other is a completely different issue

The national plan is calling for over 16s to have 80% vaccination rate.
She's asked for modelling about how that impacts under 12s who aren't eligible for vaccination

Look part of it is political posturing on her part as they are basically covid free up there and who wants to be the Premier that lets it into the state for those states without Covid currently?

Much easier politically in VIC and NSW were we already have cases and lockdowns and want some normality to return to sell it than it is where they have that normality and you're asking them to accept the cases

 

[Gralin]

Somebody visiting another household isn't necessarily breaking the rules.


A gathering of 30 people at a household with a family absolutely is. Like I said, we should all be calling the police on absolute blatant breaches of covid rules. A couple of people visiting a household could be anything and I would expect that the police wouldn't bother responding to such a call anyway.


But yes, we absolutely do have a need to know if the main transmission site has been households and the areas those transmission sites are in. Because those that live in that area may know someone that's been at one of those gatherings and/or know someone on the second link of the chain etc etc. That's vital information in suppressing covid for me.

If you aren't breaking the rules how does knowing if other people in your suburb are breaking the rules help you stay safe?

Also no we shouldn't be calling the cops on everyone, you can't police your way out of this, nobody has managed it so far and handing over public health issues to police has worked so well so far


Oh wait it hasn't

 

[FRUMPY]

I'll give you the first one, that was ******* brutal for the hopes of dealing with vaccine hesitancy

The other is a completely different issue

The national plan is calling for over 16s to have 80% vaccination rate.
She's asked for modelling about how that impacts under 12s who aren't eligible for vaccination

Look part of it is political posturing on her part as they are basically covid free up there and who wants to be the Premier that lets it into the state for those states without Covid currently?

Much easier politically in VIC and NSW were we already have cases and lockdowns and want some normality to return to sell it than it is where they have that normality and you're asking them to accept the cases

Even the change in weeks between shots....doesn't seem to be medical reasons, more 'how can we get more people jabbed'....we'll change how long between shots

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[Zidane98]

Queensland Premier and CHO have lost the plot.

Bloody outrageous. She should be stood down. Is she out there saying all cigarette smokers should cease immediately for fear of clotting? There's so many things and medication that we already use routinely on a day to day basis that have a higher risk of clotting than AZ that it is absolutely outrageous that she's peddling this in public. I don't know how she has a job.

 

[burge13]

Queensland Premier and CHO have lost the plot.

As opposed to the other states Premiers and CHO's who have been sensationally logical throughout

#beast #Fleeting #DONOTTOUCHTHEBALLORYOUWILLDIE!!!

 

[craigos]

https://www.skynews.com.au/australi...k/news-story/e629dfa12d0c1b518f86dfc09cb4f190

The limo driver who is believed to be responsible for Australia's worst coronavirus outbreak has been slapped with a big fine for not wearing a face mask.

Poor bloke can't catch a break.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Queensland Premier and CHO have lost the plot.

Im glad they have

 

[faible]

No amnesia here. You're the one that's labelled the entire western suburbs as a transmission site before seeing the actual data. You brought it up, I didn't mention any particular area at all about the discussion on postcode transmission data. If that isn't shitting on the western suburbs my name is Dan Andrews.

Nobody ever said you need postcode data to call the police. Yet another hilariously bad deflection.



I await your reply with more misplaced counter insults without actually addressing the question put forward to you.

Wait, so you didn't want to wall off the west, and you don't want postcode data now?

Woo that was a rapid about-face.

 

[burge13]

Im glad they have

You need to see a shrink

 

[Zidane98]

If you aren't breaking the rules how does knowing if other people in your suburb are breaking the rules help you stay safe?

Also no we shouldn't be calling the cops on everyone, you can't police your way out of this, nobody has managed it so far and handing over public health issues to police has worked so well so far


Oh wait it hasn't

You're going down the straw man path again. Nobody is advocating calling police all the time. When there's an absolutely blatant disregard for lockdown restrictions like having 30 people over for a party then it's absolutely the right thing to do in calling the police. We're talking only in circumstance of absolute blatant disregard for lockdown restrictions. That certainly isn't "calling the cops on everyone" like you say.

Like I said, I would love to know if household transmissions have been common in my suburb. Incase someone that was there was possibly known to me or through a second degree of contact. I really don't see what the problem is with releasing that data anonymously. It could be just the thing to encourage someone to come forward for covid testing having that knowledge.

 

[Gralin]

Even the change in weeks between shots....doesn't seem to be medical reasons, more 'how can we get more people jabbed'....we'll change how long between shots

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during an outbreak having two doses now of AZ is better from a risk management perspective than waiting for the optimal time for second dose

if you aren't at risk of catching covid then you're better off waiting, this isn't unique to Australia, they did this in the UK where they brought forward second doses for high risk categories but left the interval alone for lower risk categories

 

[Hawk Dork]

With messaging like this, I just don't understand why some people don't want the vaccination.....

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Live in virtual freedom until enough people get vaxed
Should be plenty of vax in a few months meanwhile keep Quarantine going

Its what everyone would have done if it wasnt for Gladys and Slomo

Its not like you can leave the country

 

[craigos]

Even the change in weeks between shots....doesn't seem to be medical reasons, more 'how can we get more people jabbed'....we'll change how long between shots

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Yeah it's kind of bizarre. Almost as if "this is the optimal time frame between doses" but X, Y and Z also works.

 

[Zidane98]

Wait, so you didn't want to wall off the west, and you don't want postcode data now?

Woo that was a rapid about-face.

Nah, don't need to as you have just labelled the entire western suburbs a transmission site without even seeing the data.