Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 8: This Thread is for Reasonable ON TOPIC Discussion

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Gralin said:
I'd call your health minister liar given your hospitals couldn't cope under normal load without covid.

But then every single state has lied about their hospital capacity to deal with covid throughout the entire pandemic so you're not alone there, and every state has varying levels of problems with capacity without covid also, so nothing new or unique there
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The system has 'coped'. It's certainly not run like a smooth, well-oiled machine, ramping is an issue, but people who need hospital treatment are still getting it. The regular system is struggling more because of resources that have been set aside for COVID, but those resources will hopefully cope with COVID. Every state has felt the strain, as you say, but no hospital system has collapsed either. I don't expect ours to.

But I also hope every state has learnt a lesson about health investment. The government here finally put some of those riches back into health, but it will take some time for the benefits to flow through. I don't expect it to continue though, coz capitalism.
 
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phantom13 said:
This ongoing narrative from the freedom warriors that people mitigating risk for reasons you will never know are living in fear is pretty tiresome.
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I have no problem with people wishing to take measures to mitigate their own risk. The fervor that some have for enforcing measures of control over others is what bothers me.

There were plenty of nuffies on social media whinging about people taking a stroll outside without a mask during lockdown in Melbourne. A lot of masked people would cross the road for fear of walking past another masked person on the footpath, putting themselves at more risk of harm from vehicles than covid.

Labeling that as irrational fear is merely calling a spade a spade.

It's equally tiresome that anyone with an opposing view is labelled a freedom warrior. Such is life.
 
Evolved1 said:
I have no problem with people wishing to take measures to mitigate their own risk. The fervor that some have for enforcing measures of control over others is what bothers me.

There were plenty of nuffies on social media whinging about people taking a stroll outside without a mask during lockdown in Melbourne. A lot of masked people would cross the road for fear of walking past another masked person on the footpath, putting themselves at more risk of harm from vehicles than covid.

Labeling that as irrational fear is merely calling a spade a spade.

It's equally tiresome that anyone with an opposing view is labelled a freedom warrior. Such is life.
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Think wearing a mask during the last lockdown when outside was a requirement and someone crossing the road to avoid an unmasked person has absolutely no impact on said unmasked person whatsoever so in reality those two examples are not at all equivalent.
 

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Evolved1 said:
I have no problem with people wishing to take measures to mitigate their own risk. The fervor that some have for enforcing measures of control over others is what bothers me.

There were plenty of nuffies on social media whinging about people taking a stroll outside without a mask during lockdown in Melbourne. A lot of masked people would cross the road for fear of walking past another masked person on the footpath, putting themselves at more risk of harm from vehicles than covid.

Labeling that as irrational fear is merely calling a spade a spade.

It's equally tiresome that anyone with an opposing view is labelled a freedom warrior. Such is life.
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Are you suggesting in a sudden fear of a non masked person these people were suddenly rushing across the road with out looking for cars?
 
William Wonka said:
So yu are saying when yu have millions of people experiencing something and a few hundred of them happen to die in the following weeks that these are incidental deaths from baseline mortality?

I thoroughly concur!!!
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It says 11 people have died from Vaccine complications. I think it's sensible to overlay that with the risk of dying from Covid with not having a vaccine and break that down into demographics. This is essentially what we had done throughout when we needed to prioritise vaccines to the vulnerable.

Now we are swimming in vaccine stock we are wanting to triple vax (and perhaps further) people carte blanche regardless of demographic.

6 people under the age of 19 have died. we don't know their vax status but can presume unlikely for the 4 in the 0-9 band and possibly for the 2 in the 10-19 band. It is likely these 6 had profound co-morbidities. 11 people have died from vaccines (all ages). Vaccines weren't overly effective at reducing transmissibility of Omicron, so the community benefit of being vaccinated was greatly diminished. Questioning the relative risk of being vaccinated for healthy people in certain age demographics is not unreasonable.

Despite all of the predictions, Covid infections did not spike when school returned, they kept coming down. This was the main reason being pushed in January to vaccinate kids. So they weren't incubators returning home and infecting Grandma.

A third of all deaths have been in Aged care.

Of course we don't know the risk of future variants, but nor do we know what the vaccine effectiveness will be.

The push for 5-16 yr old vaccinations makes no sense to me in the current environment.
 
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phantom13 said:
In saying that, in principle I agree with you, if someone is NOT wearing a mask etc and it’s NOT breaking rules/restrictions by doing so then it’s not really anyone else’s places to say anything about it.
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Depends how they "say something" about it. My kid copped abuse when he was under the age required for masks as did one if my wife's friends who had an exemption from campaigners in the general public.
 
Deliverance said:
Depends how they "say something" about it. My kid copped abuse when he was under the age required for masks as did one if my wife's friends who had an exemption from campaigners in the general public.
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Again, not really the same thing, they weren’t breaking any rules so people objecting to them were absolutely wrong.
 
phantom13 said:
Also not at all the point I was making. I was saying it’s not really anyone’s place to say something to those not wearing a mask etc in instances when it’s not required.

Eg me saying to someone they need to wear a mask in a shopping centre today.
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Yeah, sorry I misread your post.
 
I never said anything to people maskless.
They either had a legit reason or where a campaigner. Never worth it.
Either you embarrass yourself and the person who was legit.
Or get some angry anti everything dick get the fight they wanted to record on their phone.

I do know someone who uses the medical excuse but does not have one :( Reads too much facebook.. Queen=Lizard Covid=fake
 

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davemc_lions said:
I never said anything to people maskless.
They either had a legit reason or where a campaigner. Never worth it.
Either you embarrass yourself and the person who was legit.
Or get some angry anti everything dick get the fight they wanted to record on their phone.

I do know someone who uses the medical excuse but does not have one :( Reads too much facebook.. Queen=Lizard Covid=fake
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Fairly confident that 90-95% of “medical exemtptions” for people not wearing masks were bullshit
 
deck said:
Are you suggesting in a sudden fear of a non masked person these people were suddenly rushing across the road with out looking for cars?
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I was talking about masked people deliberately crossing the road because they didn't want to pass within a meter of another masked person. It happened a lot in my part of Melbourne, and I found it strange. I'm sure the majority looked before crossing the road.
 
Geelong_Bisons_#36 said:
In case some of you didn't realise, changing the description from "fully vaccinated " to "up to date", means that you'll never be fully vaccinated and just one jab away from losing your freedoms.
What an easy way to mandate the ongoing booster shots than the term "up to date". And some of you will be cheering this on.
If you think this stops at 3 shots, you've got rocks in your head.
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Absolutely. Should be getting rid of mandates now
 
Day 6 Iso.. done RAT 4 of us free tomorrow.
Although second Twin positive yesterday 5 days after his brother, so misses second week of school. His Brother back to school Monday.
Everyone fully vaxed in the house so vax worked for us.

Twins test comes up in like 30-40 seconds of adding mixture.
Both only single vaxed as under 11.
Honestly no idea why they did not bring the first jab forward so 5-11 year olds. Doing them 2 weeks out from school and 8 week gap was crazy.
I know lots of families isolating as the primary school kids brought it home. We luckily only the two youngest got it, as friends family it was everyone.
Symptoms was just bad croup for a couple of days and vomiting.
 
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Evolved1 said:
I was talking about masked people deliberately crossing the road because they didn't want to pass within a meter of another masked person. It happened a lot in my part of Melbourne, and I found it strange. I'm sure the majority looked before crossing the road.
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We had many people do that when we walked back in the 5k days.
People walking a dog would cross the road on footpaths. Even walking tracks some walk off the path.
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Fairly confident that 90-95% of “medical exemtptions” for people not wearing masks were bullshit
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I had a medical excuse although wore one, just slowed my walking pace so I could actually breathe.
 
Brad Goodman said:
Lockdowns and vaccine mandates still provide a lot more freedom than your ordinary Ukrainian citizen has just at the moment.

I’ve seen people comparing the two as though they are equivalent. What a disgrace.
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Total entitlement
Lot of people with no perspective and no filter
 
Billy ray said:
Im going to keep wearing a mask when i go shopping forever i think. People cant see your face if you wanna do a little shoplifting
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Palmerovski's defence systems are reported to have been breached.

'30 MINUTES AGO FEBRUARY 27, 2022'

'Clive Palmer has tested positive to Covid and is also being treated for pneumonia.

'Mr Palmer’s wife, Anna, has also tested for Covid.
Both are unvaccinated.'

'Multiple sources close to Mr Palmer said he remains very sick and was also being treated for pneumonia.'

'They said he has shown some signs of improvement in the past day and was treated at his Gold Coast mansion by doctors after leaving hospital Thursday evening.'
 

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