Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 8: This Thread is for Reasonable ON TOPIC Discussion

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Dogs_R_Us said:
Are you in a position to make your argument to management, or too risky? Will you be labelled Not A Team Player?
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Absolutely not. Ive raised my concerns with my director and was told in no uncertain terms that it would not be appreciated at a more senior level.

I think one of our more senior execs is hanging their hat on how well trained their staff are with the numbers on return. Like its their KPI.
 

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going to be a big push to get people back 100%.
The companies pushing will start loosing people.
No idea why people need to be in the office 5 days a week anymore unless they want to.
All the articles small city business need you to buy $6 coffee's and $10 Sandwich.
Not really small business that worry..
Those top end of town want to keep high rents.. More places closed more people negotiate better rent deals.
Went in to Melb city the other day it was worse then I remembered bike lanes, rubbish etc
why would you want to spend 1-2 hours a day on PT to go in.
 
davemc_lions said:
going to be a big push to get people back 100%.
The companies pushing will start loosing people.
No idea why people need to be in the office 5 days a week anymore unless they want to.
All the articles small city business need you to buy $6 coffee's and $10 Sandwich.
Not really small business that worry..
Those top end of town want to keep high rents.. More places closed more people negotiate better rent deals.
Went in to Melb city the other day it was worse then I remembered bike lanes, rubbish etc
why would you want to spend 1-2 hours a day on PT to go in.
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Was a meme doing the rounds about that was effectivelt saying "you need me to pay $15 on PT and sit with almost certainly sick people for 2 hours each day to do what i have been doing from home for the last 2 years just to keep a barista in business".

I actually like the idea of being in the office a few days a week but honestly if my company says 5 days ill go elsewhere, i wrote it into my contract that flexible working conditions were needed.
 
phantom13 said:
Was a meme doing the rounds about that was effectivelt saying "you need me to pay $15 on PT and sit with almost certainly sick people for 2 hours each day to do what i have been doing from home for the last 2 years just to keep a barista in business".

I actually like the idea of being in the office a few days a week but honestly if my company says 5 days ill go elsewhere, i wrote it into my contract that flexible working conditions were needed.
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I was supposed to go in for the first time today
My manager was sick and someone else had something on.. So now it is next week.
Lucky at the moment my manager cool about it
 
I'm in a remote role, my entire team is.

We didn't have desks before this thing started and our manager has had the genius idea that we should all go into the office 2 days a week

We still are remote and don't have desks
 
It’s pretty simple imo on how it’s going to play out.

The companies that are forward thinking and have shrewd management will offer and implement permanent WFH arrangements.
They’ll pick up the quality introverts and take the cream of talent over those who are robust and inflexible.

People will easily leave for another company even at the same pay rate if there is contractural WFH arrangements over companies ordering workers back just coz. By the time you factor in saved PT, car, fuel, parking and the time factor it’s a pretty compelling cause.

Those inflexible companies will constantly lose good workers and will be forever hiring effectively costing them huge $$$ in staff turnover and by failing to adapt will get left behind in their respective industry.
 
Punt Road Feral said:
It’s pretty simple imo on how it’s going to play out.

The companies that are forward thinking and have shrewd management will offer and implement permanent WFH arrangements.
They’ll pick up the quality introverts and take the cream of talent over those who are robust and inflexible.

People will easily leave for another company even at the same pay rate if there is contractural WFH arrangements over companies ordering workers back just coz. By the time you factor in saved PT, car, fuel, parking and the time factor it’s a pretty compelling cause.

Those inflexible companies will constantly lose good workers and will be forever hiring effectively costing them huge $$$ in staff turnover and by failing to adapt will get left behind in their respective industry.
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I know someone before covid swapped jobs for less $ as they could WFH and do a 4 day week.
Personally I love to do a 4 day week.. I do 9-10 hours a day min as it is.
Gralin said:
I'm in a remote role, my entire team is.

We didn't have desks before this thing started and our manager has had the genius idea that we should all go into the office 2 days a week

We still are remote and don't have desks
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we have a team of just over 30 and allocated 14 seats. I gather they not expecting everyone in one day.
Our squad has 8 people.. So be pushing just own own squad and a few extras.
 
davemc_lions said:
I know someone before covid swapped jobs for less $ as they could WFH and do a 4 day week.
Personally I love to do a 4 day week.. I do 9-10 hours a day min as it is.
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Exactly what I did. After going through some dark times I have never been happier and having that extra day has been a huge part of it. I will still do some work on Sunday/Monday but on my time, the knowledge of just leaving the house for a walk on Monday knowing there wont be a work call...bliss.
 
There has been a concerted media effort on the mainstream free to air channels I've noticed (Channels 7, Ten) and abc.net.au talking about how the Perth CBD has been virtually wiped out, with business owners complaining about the lack of patrons, blaming the government in various ways, and asking for assistance to survive. There has been a focus on the negative impacts of omicron going through the WA community and how McGowan government restrictions are 'killing small business', when large businesses like Chevron and BHP now have literally tens of thousands of workers practising working from home even before omicron started being a thing.

Maybe it's just me with a lack of empathy, but if those businesses relied on pre-COVID crowds to exist, then maybe we should not waste money to save them. COVID has changed the working landscape permanently - apparently in a survey just 6% of people WFH cited COVID as their primary reason why they are doing so - the vast majority liked the greater freedom and flexibility and not having to commute back and forth every day. Even if COVID were to end overnight, those people still want to WFH - the 9 to 5 suits in the city culture may have effectively ended, and this will result in the businesses that relied on them like cafes and bars ceasing to exist - nothing we do can save those businesses short of throwing endless cash at them.

In a way, this is good for town planners and the environment - maybe COVID has inadvertently solved our congestion crisis. If it means some of my favourite bars in Brookfield Plaza must shut up shop - that is the inevitable result we should accept.

/2c
 
Forward Press said:
There has been a concerted media effort on the mainstream free to air channels I've noticed (Channels 7, Ten) and abc.net.au talking about how the Perth CBD has been virtually wiped out, with business owners complaining about the lack of patrons, blaming the government in various ways, and asking for assistance to survive. There has been a focus on the negative impacts of omicron going through the WA community and how McGowan government restrictions are 'killing small business', when large businesses like Chevron and BHP now have literally tens of thousands of workers practising working from home even before omicron started being a thing.

Maybe it's just me with a lack of empathy, but if those businesses relied on pre-COVID crowds to exist, then maybe we should not waste money to save them. COVID has changed the working landscape permanently - apparently in a survey just 6% of people WFH cited COVID as their primary reason why they are doing so - the vast majority liked the greater freedom and flexibility and not having to commute back and forth every day. Even if COVID were to end overnight, those people still want to WFH - the 9 to 5 suits in the city culture may have effectively ended, and this will result in the businesses that relied on them like cafes and bars ceasing to exist - nothing we do can save those businesses short of throwing endless cash at them.

In a way, this is good for town planners and the environment - maybe COVID has inadvertently solved our congestion crisis. If it means some of my favourite bars in Brookfield Plaza must shut up shop - that is the inevitable result we should accept.

/2c
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Whilst things like cafes in the CBD are battling, there's a whole heap of cafes in the suburbs that have opened in Melbourne. I imagine Perth is similar.

These businesses benefit from the change, whilst existing ones in the CBD will have to adapt to lesser crowds / close / relocate. Not nice for the existing businesses, but an opportunity for other locations.
 
Be a lot of people also just eating at home and you know saving some $
I ate cheap at a little asian bakery.. Although coffee $5, food $6 and Train $9. $20 a day min.. If go for 2 Coffees $25. 4 days a week almost $100.
Wife was at me to take lunch before covid so I know :)

I know big business wants everyone to over spend.
People having something in the bank is not a bad thing for people.
 

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Forward Press said:
There has been a concerted media effort on the mainstream free to air channels I've noticed (Channels 7, Ten) and abc.net.au talking about how the Perth CBD has been virtually wiped out, with business owners complaining about the lack of patrons, blaming the government in various ways, and asking for assistance to survive. There has been a focus on the negative impacts of omicron going through the WA community and how McGowan government restrictions are 'killing small business', when large businesses like Chevron and BHP now have literally tens of thousands of workers practising working from home even before omicron started being a thing.

Maybe it's just me with a lack of empathy, but if those businesses relied on pre-COVID crowds to exist, then maybe we should not waste money to save them. COVID has changed the working landscape permanently - apparently in a survey just 6% of people WFH cited COVID as their primary reason why they are doing so - the vast majority liked the greater freedom and flexibility and not having to commute back and forth every day. Even if COVID were to end overnight, those people still want to WFH - the 9 to 5 suits in the city culture may have effectively ended, and this will result in the businesses that relied on them like cafes and bars ceasing to exist - nothing we do can save those businesses short of throwing endless cash at them.

In a way, this is good for town planners and the environment - maybe COVID has inadvertently solved our congestion crisis. If it means some of my favourite bars in Brookfield Plaza must shut up shop - that is the inevitable result we should accept.

/2c
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I am one of those that never see myself going back to an office environment full time. My current role is either site based or WFH and that suits my lifestyle perfectly. I actually continued working in the office when COVID started, it was only the SA lockdown mid last year that forced me home and now I couldn't go back permanently.

I get so many more things done in the day WFH, just basic things like laundry etc that you can do while still working, but not if you're in the office all day.
 
BACCS said:
I am one of those that never see myself going back to an office environment full time. My current role is either site based or WFH and that suits my lifestyle perfectly. I actually continued working in the office when COVID started, it was only the SA lockdown mid last year that forced me home and now I couldn't go back permanently.

I get so many more things done in the day WFH, just basic things like laundry etc that you can do while still working, but not if you're in the office all day.
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Apart from Laundry :) I also found at home I can get out of teams and hide to actually get more work done.
One of the reasons before Covid I worked from home.. Was so no one at work would annoy me
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Bad point is a lot of people worked the 2 hours they travelled and ended up eating lunch at desk. Seems a lot of 1:30 or 12:30 freaking meetings as everyone was around..
No idea why people think WFH is slacked off.
 
Brad Goodman said:
I’ve got an 8 week old bub, they can come and drag me back into the office if they like but as long as I can get as much done as I would in the office while also having the golden opportunity to watch her grow up way too quickly I’ll be WFH as long as I can get away with it.
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My little dude is 8 months old, i dont mind being back part time (2ish days a week) but its not at all helping me get anything additional done.
 
dont bowl there said:
That is so sh*t, I'm lucky that my company is very flexible on WFH/office but I have some mates that have been told it's 100% back to office. Just makes no sense to me, a form of compromise will make staff happier and stay in the job longer.
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You can blame the campaigners who sit at home and take the piss unfortunately.

Seems like instead of calling out these people for their low work ethic they’d rather have everyone in eyesight.

I mean if companies want people together whatever.

But the complete opposition some are showing to people working remotely while sick is absurd. The last two years have shown heaps of jobs can be done from home.

We shouldn’t be carrying on with this soldier on mentality.

Having to use sick days for a sniffle because you are not allowed to work from home is crazy.
 
Gralin said:
The bad employee is like the bad unemployed person

Power always blames those they are being campaigners to for doing it

One person might not be trustworthy so we treat you all as lazy liars
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Yep and in reality if someone is taking the piss everyone can tell and you should be having stern words with them and if it continues you send them packing.

Of course this does happen sometimes but just like in school those in charge find it very easy to punish everyone.
 
Gralin said:
Lol another blaming the individual for sh*t company behaviour
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I’m just saying those people provide easy justification for employers to be campaigners.

Lot of these companies have big expensive offices that they’ve operated in for years.

They are resistant to change. I can’t speak for other companies but at mine there were trends the company didn’t like at all when people were at home. The slackers at home were a big part of this.

Outside of commute time saving which companies give zero shits about, some of these companies don’t care about the benefits.

Maybe they’ll lose workers long term but for now they don’t see it like that.

I don’t agree with it at all but it’s how we seem to operate. It’s like when you were at school and some thing was banned or cancelled because some kid did something.
 
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dont bowl there said:
That is so sh*t, I'm lucky that my company is very flexible on WFH/office but I have some mates that have been told it's 100% back to office. Just makes no sense to me, a form of compromise will make staff happier and stay in the job longer.
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Go job hunting. Plenty of employers will offer flexibility as a carrot.
 
If you want to understand the impacts of COVID on the body, follow the money.

Life Insurance companies have reported a huge increase in death rates in the U.S. for working-age people.

These people are not dying 'with' COVID, but they are dying post-COVID. However, dead is dead...

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