Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 8: This Thread is for Reasonable ON TOPIC Discussion

[Chief]

If they’re presenting for something like a broken arm and then test positive for covid while getting treated for the arm, just include them in the daily case total and not the hospital numbers. These people aren’t covid patients taking up beds from someone that needs it more.

Is that what the hospital numbers are?

I can't say I have ever looked at the definition.

If it's been an admin classification all along then I don't see a need to change it.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

The testing situation is f’ed

The fact that RATs are not free of charge is insulting to every Australian.

Gotta protect the party donors before the people.

 

[davemc_lions]

It really wouldn’t be a hard thing to rectify either. If they’re presenting for something like a broken arm and then test positive for covid while getting treated for the arm, just include them in the daily case total and not the hospital numbers. These people aren’t covid patients taking up beds from someone that may need it more.

you think so
or even just give number vaxed vs unvaxed
A lot of this data people would have easily available.

I also read they hiding numbers.. and you wonder why no one believes things

 

[davemc_lions]

The fact that RATs are not free of charge is insulting to every Australian.

Gotta protect the party donors before the people.

Yep subsidised O/S
you think PCR is like $80-$140 a pop..
they help out and not charge GST on top to start with
at $5 each not $10-$15 be good
Germany around $1.. UK I think $5

 

[PP34]

Rapid tests should be 'as affordable as possible', Chemist Warehouse director says as PM refuses to fund free kits

Scott Morrison continues to resist pressure to make free rapid antigen tests for COVID-19 widely available, as state testing regimes buckle and rapid tests remain scarce.

t.co

****ing fat **** shit for brains

 

[davemc_lions]

Rapid tests should be 'as affordable as possible', Chemist Warehouse director says as PM refuses to fund free kits

Scott Morrison continues to resist pressure to make free rapid antigen tests for COVID-19 widely available, as state testing regimes buckle and rapid tests remain scarce.

t.co

******* fat fu** sh*t for brains

we all know who he works for
It not us.

He said businesses needed confidence they would not be "undercut" by free testing regimes.

"By making that policy very, very clear, then that means the private market, whether it's in the big warehouse pharmacies or the other pharmacies or the supermarkets, they can now go and stock their shelves with confidence that they won't be undercut by the government," Mr Morrison said.

Unless you donate millions do not expect anything.
State and feds just blame each other and do nothing apart from waste $$ on consultants that are mates.
Anything they announce they got a kick back somewhere or hired a mate.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Happy New Year all..
yes 2022 could be the best 2020's yet.. not very hard compared to 2020 and 2021
Still waiting for the Omega man Variant.. coming soon
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Followed by Soylent Green.

 

[davemc_lions]

from ABC blog why testing taking longer.. Which makes sense

Here's why testing turnaround times are longer
Victoria's COVID Commander Jeroen Weimar that's due to changes in lab procedures.

"When we were running at lower rates of positivity, we would pool all of our samples together — we'd essentially batch them up and run them through the labs.
"And only when we find a positive rate in a group of tests retest that subset to work which cases were positive.
"Because of the very high rate of positivity we're now seeing in all of our tests, every single test is now processed individually through all of our labs.
"That means it takes us longer to process individual test results."

How much longer?

"We usually have a hallmark of nine out of 10 tests coming back by the next day.
"We're now seeing a third of our test results coming back by the next day.
"We're seeing half of our test results coming back within two days."

 

[deck]

Is that what the hospital numbers are?

I can't say I have ever looked at the definition.

If it's been an admin classification all along then I don't see a need to change it.

I'm stunned you can't see a issue with this type of reporting. Now they have admitted that true hospital numbers are about half reported what do you think the antivaxx/conspiracy movement are doing with this info? How many more people can they draw into there web with this info.

 

[conrad_437]

Instead of catching COVID, I got appendicitis. On the 30th of December as well. Spent NYE copping a surgery. Would've much rather taken the quarantine instead, I'm pretty much doing the same thing right now anyway.

 

[Gralin]

Well according to the RAT i got off a mate from a 90 minute round trip because nowhere has any and testing is overloaded

Covid is now in the house

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Sound like Morrison in early 2020. If we have quarantine facilities, then we can still repatriate Australians in the event of a new, deadlier strain. Foremost in this government’s thinking is cost, and that’s why we’re in the situation we’re in.

The suggested cost of the quarantine facility in Victoria was $200m and the population was squealing about it. Another $200m, blah, blah, blah. At that point in time that was the cost of shutting Vic / Melbourne down for a couple of days. Chicken feed, people are stupid.

 

[SJ17]

We did and cases remained steady due to vaccine and Delta. Then came Omicron and fast spread due to vaccine not as good against it but less severe.

The numbers out of Europe suggested with Delta we would be good to live relatively normal until about late February early March before vaccine waning become a issue.

Yeah so then we are lucky that most people here will gain some immunity by getting the weaker variant (to add to their vaccine immunity, assuming it helps?)

 

[SJ17]

I'm stunned you can't see a issue with this type of reporting. Now they have admitted that true hospital numbers are about half reported what do you think the antivaxx/conspiracy movement are doing with this info? How many more people can they draw into there web with this info.

It's easily explained though. More accurate data is always a good thing though.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

The suggested cost of the quarantine facility in Victoria was $200m and the population was squealing about it. Another $200m, blah, blah, blah. At that point in time that was the cost of shutting Vic / Melbourne down for a couple of days. Chicken feed, people are stupid.

This nation could have used Christmas island for quarantine

 

[Chief]

Now they have admitted that true hospital numbers are about half reported

Huh?

Where?

 

[davemc_lions]

Well according to the RAT i got off a mate from a 90 minute round trip because nowhere has any and testing is overloaded

Covid is now in the house

no good rest up

 

[davemc_lions]

This nation could have used Christmas island for quarantine

be nice after 2 years have something built for the next variant.
In case the next one is worse than Omicron.

I say we stuck with different versions for COVID now for years.
Unless a better vax is found that stops you getting or spreading it.
Virus will just keep mutating as that is what it does.

If we lucky roughly 90% coverage and boosters keep hospitals down.
We been told by our leaders now not to go to hospitals unless you really bad.
So now they wait to the last minute and go if they do.

 

[Gralin]

no good rest up

I don't have any symptoms but the two people who do both came back positive from the two tests we were able to get, and other family members who spent time with them have also

not sure if the booster is just stopping me from feeling sick or if I don't have it but obviously have to treat it like I do

 

[BACCS]

Is that what the hospital numbers are?

I can't say I have ever looked at the definition.

If it's been an admin classification all along then I don't see a need to change it.

That article mentions that the NSW Health Minister conceded that it would be inflating numbers, so it does appear they classify someone presenting with a broken arm and testing positive for Covid as a hospital case. Marshall also stated yesterday that many people are in and out of hospital within the day, which backs up what someone told me about people presenting to hospital with basic cold and flu symptoms and still getting counted in the hospital numbers if they stay longer than 4 hours (even if it’s just in the waiting room).

 

[davemc_lions]

I don't have any symptoms but the two people who do both came back positive from the two tests we were able to get, and other family members who spent time with them have also

not sure if the booster is just stopping me from feeling sick or if I don't have it but obviously have to treat it like I do

well hopefully being boostered up stop you getting any bad symptoms.
Good for you to get a RAT even with no symptoms so you limit the spread.

 

[deck]

Huh?

Where?

‘Up to half’ of NSW Covid hospital patients went in for something totally different and later tested positive in routine testing

The Prime Minister will press premiers for a uniform definition of Covid hospitalisations — after it was revealed that hundreds of patients listed as hospitalised were not taken to hospital because of the virus at all.

www.news.com.au

Brad Hazzard admitted over two days during the week, up to half of those cases were in hospital for something else entirely — raising questions about how hospitalisation figures are reported.

“A reasonable proportion of cases being classified as Covid hospitalisations are actually people with other reasons for admission,” NSW health minister Brad Hazzard said.

Although I admit he didn't actually say half.

 

[Chief]

That article mentions that the NSW Health Minister conceded that it would be inflating numbers, so it does appear they classify someone presenting with a broken arm and testing positive for Covid as a hospital case. Marshall also stated yesterday that many people are in and out of hospital within the day, which backs up what someone told me about people presenting to hospital with basic cold and flu symptoms and still getting counted in the hospital numbers if they stay longer than 4 hours (even if it’s just in the waiting room).

These are just classification issues but of course the extremists and their followers will make hay. It's ridiculous that we have to anticipate the worst-faith interpretation of statistics and statistical methods by nutters. But yeah, it sounds like they should have done better.

However, as has been noted by hospital workers, Covid cases in a hospital have the costs and strain on the system associated with a Covid case, whether they are there directly because of Covid symptoms or not.

This all seems like the "ermagerd dying with Covid is counted as dying of Covid" freak out, when that turned out to still be an under-count of Covid deaths.

 

[deck]

It's easily explained though. More accurate data is always a good thing though.

The simple fact is if you are in hospital for a broken leg but have covid with mild symptoms and are not being treated for covid you should not be part of the stat.

 

[Nothing]

If someone presents in hospital for a broken arm and tests positive for COVID, do you think they just leave them with everyone else or do you think they isolate them with the same COVID protocols as someone who presented with COVID?

If the latter, then they are causing the same resourcing strain on the hospital system.