Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #3: Vaccines

[MrKK]

All the estimates said that left unchecked, there'd be more deaths. You can disagree with said estimates if you like, but that was part of their reasoning for changing tact.

So in short, more people should have been allowed to die as per the original plan because reasons?

The only 'evidence' that more people would've died is from comparison to predictive models by someone with a track record of massively overestimating disasters.

Have you even read their pandemic plan prior to Covid?

 

[yebiga]

So in short, more people should have been allowed to die as per the original plan because reasons?

Every time I see your avatar clap - I see you clapping for misery, isolation, business bankruptcy, family break up, depression, self harm, anxiety, death and most of all stupidity.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Think you know your COVID-19 symptoms? UK data suggests there's new signs to look out for

New data from the UK suggests a headache and runny nose are among the most commonly reported symptoms of COVID-19 in younger people. Experts say the finding is an important reminder to get tested.

www.abc.net.au

Since the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic we've been told to be on the lookout for any sign of a fever, cough or loss of smell.

But new data from a UK symptom-tracking app suggests COVID-19 infection may now start off "more like a bad cold", with a headache and runny nose among the most commonly reported symptoms in younger people.

The new data has experts concerned about the risk of COVID symptoms being overlooked as the common cold, especially as winter takes hold in Australia and there have been recent outbreaks caused by the Delta variant.

Australian infectious diseases doctor Sanjaya Senanayake said the UK data should serve as an important reminder for people to get tested, no matter how mild their symptoms.

"It's really important that we drum home that if you have any symptoms, please get tested."

The UK findings come from the app-based ZOE COVID Symptom study, which has been used by more than four million people since March 2020 to track the symptoms and spread of COVID-19.

Study lead researcher Tim Spector said the most frequently reported symptoms have changed in recent months as the Delta variant became the UK's dominant strain.

"Since the start of May we've been looking at the top symptoms in all the app users, and they're not the same as they were," Professor Spector, a professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London, said in a video update this month.

Data shows the top symptom being reported by people under 40 is a headache, followed by a sore throat, runny nose and fever.

A cough is now only the fifth most-common symptom, and loss of smell no longer cracks the top 10.

"This means people might think they've just got a seasonal cold, and they still go out to parties and they might spread [COVID-19] around to six other people," Professor Spector said.

So much for it being nothing like the flu

 

[faible]

Every time I see your avatar clap - I see you clapping for misery, isolation, business bankruptcy, family break up, depression, self harm, anxiety, death and most of all stupidity.

I see We Will Rock You by Queen.

 

[burge13]

Yep, nothing like the flu at all /s

 

[faible]

The only 'evidence' that more people would've died is from comparison to predictive models by someone with a track record of massively overestimating disasters.

Have you even read their pandemic plan prior to Covid?

Evidence from most real-world locations is that without restrictions, death rates climbed.

Whether the estimates were accurate or not, the original plan was going to result in more deaths, was it not?

And no, I can't say I've read up on their original plan, did it somehow result in less deaths and less restrictions and less economic impact?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Evidence from most real-world locations is that without restrictions, death rates climbed.

Whether the estimates were accurate or not, the original plan was going to result in more deaths, was it not?

And no, I can't say I've read up on their original plan, did it somehow result in less deaths and less restrictions and less economic impact?

You consider Brazil a location you can compare with the UK?

 

[faible]

You consider Brazil a location you can compare with the UK?

I consider the UK a location you can compare with the UK. Their cases and death rates have moved as restrictions have waxed and waned.

Are you still legitimately trying to argue that restrictions don't result in a decrease in case and death rates?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I consider the UK a location you can compare with the UK. Their cases and death rates have moved as restrictions have waxed and waned.

Are you still legitimately trying to argue that restrictions don't result in a decrease in case and death rates?

Ill argue legitimately 100% that if the govt put 130 billion that Jobkeeper cost into the following

- Improved healthcare system with more beds, more ambulances, more nurses, more access to newer technology such as antibody treatments
- Tougher stance and more resources on reducing drug supply on our streets
- Improved mental health care setup
- Funding in preventing smoking and obesity by subsidising healthy living options such as gym, bottled water, Quit smoking programs
- Increased funding in domestic violence support
- Increased funding in overseas aid packages to improve living conditions in the Asia Pacific region
- Increased funding in Aboriginal communities in improving and fixing water and food supply issues

All combined would save more lives then Covid would have taken. Not a single doubt in my mind

 

[faible]

Ill argue legitimately 100% that if the govt put 130 billion that Jobkeeper cost into the following

- Improved healthcare system with more beds, more ambulances, more nurses, more access to newer technology such as antibody treatments
- Tougher stance and more resources on reducing drug supply on our streets
- Improved mental health care setup
- Funding in preventing smoking and obesity by subsidising healthy living options such as gym, bottled water, Quit smoking programs
- Increased funding in domestic violence support
- Increased funding in overseas aid packages to improve living conditions in the Asia Pacific region
- Increased funding in Aboriginal communities in improving and fixing water and food supply issues

All combined would save more lives then Covid would have taken. Not a single doubt in my mind

And that's fine, but a totally different question than what was asked.

I've said before that the health system is chronically underfunded. Won't find me arguing they shouldn't put money in to it.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

And that's fine, but a totally different question than what was asked.

I've said before that the health system is chronically underfunded. Won't find me arguing they shouldn't put money in to it.

They are directly related.

Unless govt funding has no impact on the health care system? and or you believe the lockdown measures received no govt funding to put them in place?

 

[faible]

They are directly related.

Unless govt funding has no impact on the health care system? and or you believe the lockdown measures received no govt funding to put them in place?

Goal posts moving as we speak.

 

[MrKK]

Evidence from most real-world locations is that without restrictions, death rates climbed.

Whether the estimates were accurate or not, the original plan was going to result in more deaths, was it not?

And no, I can't say I've read up on their original plan, did it somehow result in less deaths and less restrictions and less economic impact?

Link in this tweet.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Goal posts moving as we speak.

Refusing to accept the negatives of political decision making is all im seeing

 

[faible]

Refusing to accept the negatives of political decision making is all im seeing

Funny isn't it, you're pretty consistently unable to recognise when you're engaging in a goal post shifting exercise, whilst managing to engage in a goal post shifting exercise regularly.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Funny isn't it, you're pretty consistently unable to recognise when you're engaging in a goal post shifting exercise, whilst managing to engage in a goal post shifting exercise regularly.

- Asks me a question about if govt policy around lockdowns helped lower death numbers
- Suggests alternate govt policy instead of lockdowns to help lower death numbers
- Goalposts shifted

Ok m8. Everytime you lose flat out you cry about goal posts. Its getting a tad predictable

 

[King Elvis]

Nothing's been proven about Wuhan yet you guys think it has.
You bag Fauci yet it was Trump who told people to not wear a mask.
You've jumped the gun bigtime yet you bag a public health official , it makes no sense.
This gain of function Fauci thing is a fringe conspiracy .

Is this this 'Conspiracy' thread, or the 'Blatant lies' thread?

 

[faible]

- Asks me a question about if govt policy around lockdowns helped lower death numbers
- Suggests alternate govt policy instead of lockdowns to help lower death numbers
- Goalposts shifted

Ok m8. Everytime you lose flat out you cry about goal posts. Its getting a tad predictable

So you couldn't answer a very simple yes/no question about whether restrictions lowered case rates or death numbers, raised a totally different proposition, then answered that instead.

That's literally goalpost shifting.

 

[faible]

the 'Blatant lies' thread?

This one

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Since we're talking about Fauci

 

[King Elvis]

Lol. Says who? Only Trump supporters say that.
You've convicted him on no evidence whatsoever.
Trump released selective emails that proved nothing.
If you believe the Trump bs you have no credibility.
It's hilarious that people believe Trump b4 Fauci, wake up.

What does Trump have to do with emails released under a Freedom of Information request; under the Biden Govt?

Fauci should be gone for lying to the Senate, being deceitful about his involvement in gain of function research, and his dishonesty about the potential origins of the virus (to try and cover up his involvement).

His general incompetence aside, the above should have seen him removed on the spot.

Nope.

Months of posting misleading, false, or misrepresented information has lost you the right to demand anyone bother to watch or read anything you link to.

Sorry.

You're reasonable here, even if I don't agree with a lot of your perspective.

Given the amount of time you've spent arguing and discussing this, it is pretty pathetic to refuse to watch a 20 minute video which is actually very enlightening.

 

[King Elvis]

The UK threw out their existing pandemic plan because it wasn't fit for purpose.

Doesn't that seem strange to you?

If a pandemic management plan wasn't fit for use in a pandemic...?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So you couldn't answer a very simple yes/no question about whether restrictions lowered case rates or death numbers, raised a totally different proposition, then answered that instead.

That's literally goalpost shifting.

And you accuse me of black and white thinking and want Yes or No answers to life or death questions. Cant make this up

In any sense, Yes they did, but it was a poorer decision then the alternatives. They spent 130 billion to save a 10 thousand lives when that same money could have saved 10,000 lives every year for the next few decades

 

[yebiga]

So you couldn't answer a very simple yes/no question about whether restrictions lowered case rates or death numbers, raised a totally different proposition, then answered that instead.

That's literally goalpost shifting.

Until you know the amplifications of each and everyone of those PCR tests which determine that something is a case - you can almost certainly conclude the lockdowns, tracing, masks were a total utter waste of time.

Moreover, right now, - we make no distinction between people who have had COVID and recovered, are asymptomatic or not -

The entire show has been a magical cluster#%k -

 

[faible]

Given the amount of time you've spent arguing and discussing this, it is pretty pathetic to refuse to watch a 20 minute video which is actually very enlightening.

Not at all. I've read many things people have linked, I'm not much of a video watcher in general, and yebiga has pretty consistently posted things that were very obviously false, misleading or misrepresented, so after all that time I reserve the right to not spend my time watching a video he links given his appalling track record with anything approach facts.

If it happens to be the one good, factual thing he's posted, then good on him for having only a 99% failure rate.

Doesn't that seem strange to you?

If a pandemic management plan wasn't fit for use in a pandemic...?

Well this was the one Mr.KK linked, which pretty specifically is built around Influenza as a starting point, and the Exercise Cygnus exercise appeared to identify a number of failings in it that weren't rectified.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/213717/dh_131040.pdf

Does it surprise you that a plan doesn't work when it meets reality, particularly at a population wide scale?